Sasuke's Rinnegan is Weaker than Madara's

[Tantalus Thief]

When he was an Edo , he had EMS but when he became alive , he didn't have EMS and I'm more than sure he must have EMS to use PS.


1- I agree that PS is a form of Susanoo but as I said , PS needs EMS .
2- How about his battle with Guy (Chapter 672 Page 10)??? When he understood using TSB is useless (because of Kakashi's Kamui) why didn't he try to defend Guy's attacks using PS ????? (We know he had enough time)

1.again dude why would a Madara who has the chakra of the Juubi be unable to use PS a form of Susanoo. There is no proof Madara needs ems for PS. If he can use 1 form of Susanoo when has no EMS then surely he can use any form of Susanoo provided he has the chakra for it. No offense, but you aren't making any sense. If each time Madara used a Susanoo his EMS actuvated I would agree with you but we have an example of Madara with EMS de-activated using PS and we have an example of Madara with no EMS using a less advanced Susanoo. These 2 events prove not only show Susanoo is not dependent on activation of EMS but PS itself is also not dependent on EMS as well. The freaking DB itself doesn't connect PS to EMS.
2. Madara wasn't taking Gai fully seriously. He could have used Limbo to end Gai during their off-screen fight. Gai was moments away from hitting him, he has to take time to actually form the Susanoo. Like I said again Kishi has done stuff like this a lot of times. EX: Sasuke never used Planetary Devastation(Chibaku Tensei) ever since his fight with Naruto, does that mean Sasuke can't use PD anymore? No.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Of course just compare size of their CT. Thats only jutsu used by both of them.

Also Rinne Sharingan > Tomoe Rinnegan

 

[SZiaee]

1.again dude why would a Madara who has the chakra of the Juubi be unable to use PS a form of Susanoo. There is no proof Madara needs ems for PS. If he can use 1 form of Susanoo when has no EMS then surely he can use any form of Susanoo provided he has the chakra for it. No offense, but you aren't making any sense. If each time Madara used a Susanoo his EMS actuvated I would agree with you but we have an example of Madara with EMS de-activated using PS and we have an example of Madara with no EMS using a less advanced Susanoo. These 2 events prove not only show Susanoo is not dependent on activation of EMS but PS itself is also not dependent on EMS as well. The freaking DB itself doesn't connect PS to EMS.
2. Madara wasn't taking Gai fully seriously. He could have used Limbo to end Gai during their off-screen fight. Gai was moments away from hitting him, he has to take time to actually form the Susanoo. Like I said again Kishi has done stuff like this a lot of times. EX: Sasuke never used Planetary Devastation(Chibaku Tensei) ever since his fight with Naruto, does that mean Sasuke can't use PD anymore? No.

Proofs :
1- Examples : Itachi didn't use it ,MS Madara didn't use it (Although Hashirama was strong enough ) , MS Sasuke didn't use it ...,....... But it was their best choice to use it .
2- When Madara first time used PS against Hashirama , his dialogues looked like that it is a new ability . (Naruto Shippuden)
3- Sasuke seemed to use all he had against Danzo ... But he didn't use PS .
So PS and EMS seem to be related .
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As I said earlier , Madara knew how much chakra he possessed (using rinnegan and JJ mode) and he knew Guy will possibly kill him ... He used his Limbo to survive Guy's previous attack ... So he didn't have any other Limbo to use .... In anime , he tried to escape from Guy's attack but was unsuccessful which shows that he was afraid of dying ...
So Madara probably can't use PS .

 

[minamoto]

It bcus I'm not a fanboy. My judgement is base on deep analysis. Not that it perfect but I tried.

And I dont think Naruto's RSM Senjustu and Senses are superior to Madara(JJ version), they are equal if they focus 100% on their battle. Also it not help the case bcus Naruto is MC, Author sometime will use plot convenience to protect him. But they(JJ Madara and Naruto) are equal in sensing capability.

hey bro are you still mad at me??

 

[minamoto]

Proofs :
1- Examples : Itachi didn't use it ,MS Madara didn't use it (Although Hashirama was strong enough ) , MS Sasuke didn't use it ...,....... But it was their best choice to use it .
2- When Madara first time used PS against Hashirama , his dialogues looked like that it is a new ability . (Naruto Shippuden)
3- Sasuke seemed to use all he had against Danzo ... But he didn't use PS .
So PS and EMS seem to be related .
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As I said earlier , Madara knew how much chakra he possessed (using rinnegan and JJ mode) and he knew Guy will possibly kill him ... He used his Limbo to survive Guy's previous attack ... So he didn't have any other Limbo to use .... In anime , he tried to escape from Guy's attack but was unsuccessful which shows that he was afraid of dying ...
So Madara probably can't use PS .

watch teh alt get banned soon...

 

[Ansatsuken]

hey bro are you still mad at me??

For what reason I going mad at you? Maybe something I dont remember happen. Care to tell me! :sdo:

 

[ANiMUS]

Ansatsuken : Plz answer me : Why not using PS when it's the best choice ??? Is Madara mad ??

Yea , this kind of fun could destroy his dream , ya know .

@bold :sdo: for lack of a better word

Spoiler

Duh

 

[minamoto]

For what reason I going mad at you? Maybe something I dont remember happen. Care to tell me! :sdo:

cuz i rastled your jimbos?

 

[Ansatsuken]

cuz i rastled your jimbos?

I dont have Jimbo

 

[SharinganProdigy]

Responding to the original post, it doesn't make much sense (no offense).

Sasuke's power returned because of him travelling through Kaguya's dimensions, not from using amenotejikara.

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Naruto asks him how he got so low on chakra, underlined in red, and Sasuke explains it's due to the fair amount of chakra it takes to travel through Kaguya's dimension.

We also know that amenotejikara is not the cause of this and certainly not "too much" because even before Sasuke's rinnegan charged back up (indicated by absence of tomoe), he was able to use amenotejikara.

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You link a panel that shows Sasuke's amenotejikara has a range limit, but how does that affect Madara at all? Madara's limbo ability also has limits:

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Sasuke states that Six Paths chakra works on limbo clones. The clones must also return to Madara after a while. The mere fact that Naruto and Sasuke detect his limbo puts him at a disadvantage because the fact that limbo couldn't be sensed was its greatest strength.

So you see, both abilities have weaknesses. Determining the "greater" ability however is entirely subjective.

I do not understand why you use a scan of Madara's rinnegan ability, limbo, against EMS Sasuke (who cannot sense it yet) as proof that Madara's rinnegan is more powerful than Sasuke's rinnegan? Sasuke's amenotejikara has damaged Madara as well and twice now we've seen it's too fast for Madara to react to:

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Madara was caught completely off guard by Sasuke's S/T. He didn't react at all. In the anime, he even questions why he's even there, processing the change of place. While this is impressive, none of this shows amenotejikara is better than limbo. It also does not show that limbo is better than amenotejikara.

I don't get why you showed a scan of Madara using susanoo without eyes either. It doesn't seem relevant to Sasuke or Madara's rinnegan for that matter.

I do not understand why you posted the scan of Madara's multiple CTs either. This shows that Madara has enough chakra to create more than one chibaku tensei which makes sense because he has the juubi as a source of chakra inside of him. Very impressive, but not something that shows his rinnegan is better than Sasuke's. It shows he has great chakra reserves.

I would argue that Sasuke's CT variation (core-less) shows skillful use of the deva path.

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This shows Sasuke using CT in a way we haven't seen previously. The weakness of the CT as shown by Itachi was the fact that the core could be destroyed, making the jutsu useless. By removing the core, that weakness is gone and makes the jutsu improved. That is quite skillful in my opinion and is not reliant on chakra reserves (something that has nothing to do with skill).

However, rinnegan are eyes. They are tools that can be used skillfully. It's the person that makes the use of these eyes powerful, not the eyes themselves. Madara and Sasuke both have great eyes, so I don't think you should be trying to discount one of them to make the other look better. It seems somewhat insecure and unnecessary. I don't think either's rinnegan are "stronger" than the other (what does that even mean?), it's all up to the person and how they use it. Thanks if you read what I have to say on this topic.

 

[90sKids98]

Some people just can't understand Madara didn't feel the need to use PS. He was toying with every opponent he faced as a jinchuuriki XD

 

[minamoto]

I dont have Jimbo

i know it's becuz i killed them with my rastle gun

 

[Ansatsuken]

i know it's becuz i killed them with my rastle gun

Thanks bro :flowers I feel save and secure

 

[minamoto]

Thanks bro :flowers I feel save and secure

No problemo amigo

 

[ANiMUS]

Some people just can't understand Madara didn't feel the need to use PS. He was toying with every opponent he faced as a jinchuuriki XD

Sorry, but i don't think that's true >_> madara felt that he needed his second eye when he had to deal with Sasuke and Naruto. PS was definitely an option there and yet rather than putting out a JJ level PS Madara ran. I think that means that if he indeed could use Susano'o as a JJ it still wouldn't be powerful enough to compete

 

[Aznkidd]

Op you are still green when it comes to slay these sausages :lol

Sasuke in the end has nothin that can kill Madara but Madara has plenty.
They are so butthurt and delusional to even try to make Madara third eye not his when it sat on Madara forehead for at least awhile. If Black Zetsu was never interrupted, mean Kaguya still sitting in some sealing room and wait to respawn :lol

 

[90sKids98]

Sorry, but i don't think that's true >_> madara felt that he needed his second eye when he had to deal with Sasuke and Naruto. PS was definitely an option there and yet rather than putting out a JJ level PS Madara ran. I think that means that if he indeed could use Susano'o as a JJ it still wouldn't be powerful enough to compete

I mean of course he'd feel threatened a bit, considering its 2 vs 1 and he wasn't even at his full potential yet. But again he had Limbo so he had no reason to use PS as his defense, and once he got both Rinnegan he went back to toying with them

 

[Ansatsuken]

Op you are still green when it comes to slay these sausages :lol

Sasuke in the end has nothin that can kill Madara but Madara has plenty.
They are so butthurt and delusional to even try to make Madara third eye not his when it sat on Madara forehead for at least awhile. If Black Zetsu was never interrupted, mean Kaguya still sitting in some sealing room and wait to respawn :lol

Yeah OK you can use it in debate but at least state the version of him you're using.

Apparently current Madara no longer had Rinnegan and Rinn Sharingan(dying Madara). You can use that version too.

Here "what if" is irrelevant.

 

[ANiMUS]

I mean of course he'd feel threatened a bit, considering its 2 vs 1 and he wasn't even at his full potential yet. But again he had Limbo so he had no reason to use PS as his defense, and once he got both Rinnegan he went back to toying with them

Madara who took played with 5 kages and 9 bijuu felt threatened by 2 on one when he had both of their powers already XD not saying you are wrong, its just funny. Besides if Limbo can be seen and sensed now i would most definitely think that PS would function as a more solid defense.

Also right after Madara got his eye he prioritized Infinite Tsukiyomi. if he was still playing around then he would feel he'd have all the time in the world to get that done.

 

[chaos control]

Rikudou Madara > Sasuke, but Sasuke's rinnegan > Madara's

Here's why:

Both Sasuke and Madara have access to the usual six paths powers. However, Sasuke's rinnegan displays multiple abilities that Madara's doesn't have such as amenotejikara, dimensional portals and genjutsu strong enough to subjugate and capture all 9 bijuus in seconds. Keep in mind that I just listed 3 techniques that are exclusive to Sasuke's rinnegan (as opposed to other rinnegan users except for maybe Momoshiki on the whole dimensional portal thing since Momoshiki can traverse dimensions).

Now let's talk about Limbo. It is a phenomenal technique that can't even be countered or avoided by anyone without rikudou chakara. However, it is just one technique (as opposed to the 3 that I just mentioned for Sasuke). That is 3 techniques that Sasuke's rinnegan has that Madara's doesn't have, vs the one technique that Madara has that Sasuke doesn't. Furthermore, if it really comes to a Madara vs Sasuke thing, then you must remember that a fellow rinnegan user such as Sasuke can actually see the limbo (and attack it since he has rikudou chakara).

Both limbo and amenotejikara are extremely useful in battle,however for me personally, I judge which eye is better by both battle standards and practical standards.

By battle standards, I already explained how Sasuke's has more techniques. Let's talk about practical life though.

Practically speaking, if I had Sasuke's rinnegan, traveling/transportation would be a breeze for me! I could just make portals to wherever I wanted to go! I would save tons of time because this would get me to my destinations way faster than vehicles would. I wouldn't have to spend money on auto insurance,or car maintenance or gas or any of that stuff. Furthermore, it would be a lot safer than driving, because people these days can't seem to drive worth crap, and I personally hate and have somewhat of a secret fear of driving.

Additionally, I would have all of the free residential space a guy could want! I'd literally have whole dimensions worth of space that only I could access where I could do whatever or build whatever I wanted. I could build my own mansion or castle there. I could also just take Kaguya's castle and renovate that since it is just there for the taking. If there was a bomb in the building I was in or a shooter or something like that, I could just escape to another dimension. I could also use the natural resources from the other dimensions. I mean seriously, I'd never have to buy ice again because I'd have a whole dimension of it!

I could even start my own teleportation transportation service and make tons of money off of it!

Now, what kind of practical benefits like the ones above does limbo offer? Sure I could use them as like clones to do my homework for me or something like that, but even for that kind of thing it would be better to use normal shadow clones. Limbo shadows have a time limit to how long they can stay out, and they can only move but so far away from their creator. Plus, they are invisible to everybody but rinnegan users, so if I tried to send a limbo clone into work to do my job for me, everyone would still just think that I was absent from work and that a ghost was just messing with stuff. At least shadow clones are visible, don't have a time limit, and can actually move away from their creators. I suppose I could open up some kind of haunted house attraction and make money off of it, but the bottom line is, limbo would be very limited in what I could actually do with it.