Sasuke's Rinnegan is Weaker than Madara's

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Since when did it say in the manga it takes "3 limbos to kill Madara" XD This isn't bloody mary just stop. Also the limbo clone was always there it didn't "dodge" anything. Go reread the manga k?
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Sasuke says he sees the clone yet the sword didn't hit it, soo try again
It 'dodged' Sasuke's attack ; You can't see the limbo in manga , can you ? So you can't say it didn't dodge ... Go watch shippuden .
Sasuke killed Madara once in ch674p10 and once again with Naruto ch674p14 and Madara escaped certain death using Limbo .
 

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you know what. After this post I'm done with you. That aminoapps page is wrong. EMS Madara (before he got Hashi dna) has Perfect Susanoo. That is how he coated Kurama. EMS Sasuke (before Hagoromo power up) also has PS because he coated Kurama too. Both Madara's and Sasuke's Kurama armor display traits of PS like the pointy nose, katanas, and the head diamond. So by your logic Itachi can use Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi when his eyes are just black because his MS is still in his eye socket right? Madara's Rinnegan can't use sharingan moves that is why he switches back into them to do stuff like genjutsu. His EMS and Rinnegan are not combined together he needs to cycle through them, so if he puts on Rinnegan then his EMS+EMS techs are temporarily unavailable, the fact that Edo Madara had Rinnegan on when he used PS means that for Madara EMS isn't required for him to use PS. TSB weren't useless against Gai. Gai literally couldn't get past them. For the third time Madara was playing with Gai if he was serious he would nuke Gai or kill him with Limbo after Gai completed Evening Elephant. Madara himself asked Gai if he has anymore techniques while having a big smile on his face.
Answer me and I'll be satisfied : Why did Madara use TSB if he was having fun ??
I must say that Limbo is nothing more than an invisible shadow . Gai could hurt limbo with taijutsu ( Gai doesn't see them but a touch with 8 gates Gai can hurt them )
 

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lol not even close. quote me back when Madara can make core-less CT, can make a pseudo-Gedo Manzou with his Rinnegan mastery (Sauce had one day of learning lul), can cast Genjutsu on multiple people with a glance, and has the ability to dimensional hop.
 

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Answer me and I'll be satisfied : Why did Madara use TSB if he was having fun ??
I must say that Limbo is nothing more than an invisible shadow . Gai could hurt limbo with taijutsu ( Gai doesn't see them but a touch with 8 gates Gai can hurt them )

because Madara did not want to get hit by the EE and for plot reasons, so Minato and co. can play a role. If Madara wanted to he can nuke Gai with some TBB or he would have made a sphere of TSB when Gai was charging Night Gai. Gai can not see or even sense Limbo so he can be blindsided very easily. How can Gai hurt something he can't even see, can't smell or sense in anyway and has no absoleautly no intel on. Like I said earlier Kishi has done stuff like this before were characters seemingly forget techniques or do/not do things that they logically should have done.
 

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because Madara did not want to get hit by the EE and for plot reasons, so Minato and co. can play a role. If Madara wanted to he can nuke Gai with some TBB or he would have made a sphere of TSB when Gai was charging Night Gai. Gai can not see or even sense Limbo so he can be blindsided very easily. How can Gai hurt something he can't even see, can't smell or sense in anyway and has no absoleautly no intel on. Like I said earlier Kishi has done stuff like this before were characters seemingly forget techniques or do/not do things that they logically should have done.
Sorry but I can't believe you're right ... According to you :"He didn't use TSB sphere or limbo because he liked to fight Gai and have fun" ... But at a middle of the battle , he used TSB to destroy the fun and stay calm !!!
About the 8 gates Gai : His body is so hot ; that's why his body is burned after using this .... So limbo or Madara himself can't touch him . (Because this heat isn't ninjutsu and is taijutsu and as you know taijutsu works on JJ Madara)
 

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hashirama healing is not allowing madara brush off being impaled by black chidori da fuk? especially aimed at his heart
If Sasuke stays near Madara long enough to completely pierce him then Limbo (4 of them), which comes straight out of his body, would snap his neck. Naruto with the one-tailed cloak could heal a Chidori wound so Madara should be able to with both Sage Mode and Hashirama's cells.

and now you are comparing guys who have bijju cloaks(one from the juubi and another from all 9 bijjus) to someone who doesnt? what in the hell? are you reading what you are typing?
They don't have cloaks. They're mere chakra clothing that provide no extra protection. We've already seen both Madara and Naruto pierced by swords but not Black Chidori.

it might be an inconsistency but the interpretation of feats lends one to that conclusion
If you believe it's an inconsistency then that means you also believe Madara should be able to react.


you saying the DB hypes him is not an argument. he has the feat to prove it when he was able to react to sasuke even with a distraction whereas madara couldnt at all.
It is an argument. If I said Temari beats Kaguya by blowing away the universe I'm sure you'd take that lightly. Naruto and Madara's situations were different. In both of Madara's Sasuke either did not strike himself or was already in the process while against Naruto he only striked after teleporting.
 

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Sorry but I can't believe you're right ... According to you :"He didn't use TSB sphere or limbo because he liked to fight Gai and have fun" ... But at a middle of the battle , he used TSB to destroy the fun and stay calm !!!
About the 8 gates Gai : His body is so hot ; that's why his body is burned after using this .... So limbo or Madara himself can't touch him . (Because this heat isn't ninjutsu and is taijutsu and as you know taijutsu works on JJ Madara)

Gai's body is hot but Its not so hot that Madara literally can't touch him. Juubi Jins have a strong body and I'm 100% sure he can touch Guy when he previousl took a point blank Hiroudora with no effect and he took Naruto's Lava Rasenshuriken and wasn't bisected. Madara may have taken him serously at the very beginning but later he obviously wasn't taking him as seriously later because he could've have easily used Limbo to destroy Gai.
 

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lol not even close. quote me back when Madara can make core-less CT, can make a pseudo-Gedo Manzou with his Rinnegan mastery (Sauce had one day of learning lul), can cast Genjutsu on multiple people with a glance, and has the ability to dimensional hop.

the moment you had power of almost everything + you have the eyes to see everything in slow-motion and read it as clear as the enemy mind, yes you can make it happen right away, not even hour :lol

Madara snap Kakashi eye out then the next second use it to open portal :lol

Also Madara didnt have chance to use his third eye before he blown up....
 

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Gai's body is hot but Its not so hot that Madara literally can't touch him. Juubi Jins have a strong body and I'm 100% sure he can touch Guy when he previousl took a point blank Hiroudora with no effect and he took Naruto's Lava Rasenshuriken and wasn't bisected. Madara may have taken him serously at the very beginning but later he obviously wasn't taking him as seriously later because he could've have easily used Limbo to destroy Gai.
Not to mention Gai is too fast that even JJ Madara couldn't see or sense where he is attacking from _Shippuden 420_ So he couldn't use Limbo .
 

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=Holy God;20650845]If Sasuke stays near Madara long enough to completely pierce him then Limbo (4 of them), which comes straight out of his body, would snap his neck. Naruto with the one-tailed cloak could heal a Chidori wound so Madara should be able to with both Sage Mode and Hashirama's cells.
now you are turning it into a vs scenario? the point was if madara can brush off those attacks which you claimed so you should be providing evidence for why he can tank them and not how he can counter them with limbo. but if you want to go the vs way then no problem. once sasuke warps near madara and plants a chidori right through his heart, he dies. if he uses limbo btw the small window before he drops dead, sasuke simply activates soosano and tanks all limbo hits, or he warps away from there while madara dies.
or he teleoports madara towards himself and kills him or he uses chidori sharp spear instead, amenos towards madara and cuts him in half like he did to his jj form. no jj regeneration and shinju immortality here for madara so he dies swifly. if madara uses ps, sasuke superior ps destroys it and madara gets cut apart

sasuke completely toys with DRSM madara, hope you dont attempt to argue it

naruto was pierced in his lungs, not heart and am pretty sure the gap between a Rinnegan sasukes chidori to that of kid Cm2 sasuke is much larger than the gap between hashiramas healing and kn1 form.

They don't have cloaks. They're mere chakra clothing that provide no extra protection. We've already seen both Madara and Naruto pierced by swords but not Black Chidori.
regardless of whatever you call them, fact is they are formed from having all the bijjus in the same manner as narutos kcm and bm kurama cloak. i hope you are not serious with the bold. the chakra cloak naruto provided the alliance protected them from the juubis tenpechi and madara and obitos katon, so of course they provide protection da fuk? and thats just a v1 cloak which is inferior to full one on bm naruto which in turn is inferior to the one he gets from Rsm and madaras jj form. they no provide no protection yet madara can tank attacks like yoton frs, night gai ? so you believe madara can take those same attacks without his jj form? smh

sword piercing them doesnt mean they get no extra protection.

If you believe it's an inconsistency then that means you also believe Madara should be able to react.
bold. but he didnt, and thats a fact. doesnt matter what you or me thinks, feats are feats

It is an argument. If I said Temari beats Kaguya by blowing away the universe I'm sure you'd take that lightly. Naruto and Madara's situations were different. In both of Madara's Sasuke either did not strike himself or was already in the process while against Naruto he only striked after teleporting.
theres a difference btw hyping up an attack or simply stating the benefits one gets from a chakra form. learn to differentiate the two. naruto showed the feat to prove that statement anyway so this is irrelevant. now you are just making excuses, sasuke striking alone or not doesnt affect madaras ability to process the attack and react. he couldnt even process it let alone think of reacting.
 

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now you are turning it into a vs scenario? the point was if madara can brush off those attacks which you claimed so you should be providing evidence for why he can tank them and not how he can counter them with limbo. but if you want to go the vs way then no problem. once sasuke warps near madara and plants a chidori right through his heart, he dies. if he uses limbo btw the small window before he drops dead, sasuke simply activates soosano and tanks all limbo hits, or he warps away from there while madara dies.
or he teleoports madara towards himself and kills him or he uses chidori sharp spear instead, amenos towards madara and cuts him in half like he did to his jj form. no jj regeneration and shinju immortality here for madara so he dies swifly. if madara uses ps, sasuke superior ps destroys it and madara gets cut apart

sasuke completely toys with DRSM madara, hope you dont attempt to argue it

naruto was pierced in his lungs, not heart and am pretty sure the gap between a Rinnegan sasukes chidori to that of kid Cm2 sasuke is much larger than the gap between hashiramas healing and kn1 form.
I have no intention of starting a VS topic because, as I said, nobody thinks he can react to Amenotejikara, which is the base of everyone's argument. Either way, if he can't heal from it he simply swaps with his Limbo clone and lets it heal from the attack.

regardless of whatever you call them, fact is they are formed from having all the bijjus in the same manner as narutos kcm and bm kurama cloak. i hope you are not serious with the bold. the chakra cloak naruto provided the alliance protected them from the juubis tenpechi and madara and obitos katon, so of course they provide protection da fuk? and thats just a v1 cloak which is inferior to full one on bm naruto which in turn is inferior to the one he gets from Rsm and madaras jj form. they no provide no protection yet madara can tank attacks like yoton frs, night gai ? so you believe madara can take those same attacks without his jj form? smh
Six Paths Sage Mode is different than Tailed Beast modes. The former offers no protection while the latter does because it's an actual cloak. Madara only survived those attacks because of his active regeneration. While Naruto and Madara are able to be pierced by swords in their higher forms, Naruto was able to block swords in his lower tailed forms.

bold. but he didnt, and thats a fact. doesnt matter what you or me thinks, feats are feats
I'm not talking about facts in this point. I was simply confirming that you think Madara should be able to.

theres a difference btw hyping up an attack or simply stating the benefits one gets from a chakra form. learn to differentiate the two. naruto showed the feat to prove that statement anyway so this is irrelevant. now you are just making excuses, sasuke striking alone or not doesnt affect madaras ability to process the attack and react. he couldnt even process it let alone think of reacting.
There's a major difference and you can't deny it. Sasuke was already moving in order to attack him while he attacked only after he teleported against Naruto.
 
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Bah! All the best points have been stated by now so I'll just leave a firm, NO!
 

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Well madara has two rinnegan so hes obviously stronger
 

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Well madara has two rinnegan so hes obviously stronger
Sasuke (without rinnegan) has two EMS , Is he stronger than Obito with one sharingan ? Answer : No .... So your logic is lost
 

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I have been gone from her for a good while and people still argue over the same things....makes me Renner why I left
 

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But did he go to other dimensions? That was what took chakra he could have been weakend by that just as much as Sasuke.
 

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Obviously, left (Yin) eyed rinnegan<two eyed YinYang (left and right) rinnegans.
 

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Posting irrelevant scans and making no effort at any kind of logic.

SRG > KKM DRG > 6T RG > KKG DRG

Why? Because the Rinnegan's fusion with EMS means its power's bolstered. Come back when Madara has feats of using targets as cores, or even making 9 CTs with a brand new eye that hasn't even matured yet. Madara's Rinnegan were already decades old, so they would've reached full maturation.
 
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If Sasuke uses Ameno too much his Rinnegan's power is weakened, when this power is weakened he cannot even use the Mangekyo Sharingan

But in Madara's case we have of course seen him use Susanoo with his Rinnegan, hell we've even seen him use Susanoo with no eyes
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And yes Madara's feats with his Rinnegan are far more superior than Sasuke's, as we can see here
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Just with one Rinnegan he pulled off many tricks that countered Naruto and Sasuke easily, and with both he was able to pull off casting Planetary Devestation like it was nothing much. He escaped a sealing jutsu mixed with Sage power by switching with Limbo, showing it was going to be too difficult for Naruto and Sasuke to actually seal Madara with Hagoromo's seal.

Madara was the Juubi Jin. Enough said. He even absorbed the First's sage chakra. If it was the normal Maddy with rinnegan vs the first everyone know madara would still lose. Sasuke or Naruto alone would take him. Probably even sakura too
 

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Sasuke´s rinnegan was a miracle. it was only one but as strong as a pair of rinngean. he posses all of madara´s abillities and more. it´s hard to say which is stronger because the rinngeans power depends on the user but they are at least equal I would say
 
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