[Predictions] Naruto Manga 502 Discussion and 503 Predictions

[yondaimeminato]

you know i thought about that madara was useing sasuke to get him stronger and full of hate and since madara seems as he put it "a shell of my former self" he may need sasuke eyes and or body to restore himself after all madara hate the uchiha clan for "betraying" him and sasuke the last member also he may need the body so he can store the 10 tails within himself because i have a feeling since naruto's mom and her special charka didnt die after having the fox pulled out naruto may have the same thing going on or because he only took half the foxes power away madara may only need or is only able to get the other half thing thus being able to put the 10 tails into the story. not really sure how the hell they would defeat madara with the 10 tails unless they figure out how to remove and or seal it within someone else or destroy from the world.

Yeah, this is what I am thinking too. I think madara is waiting for naruto and sasuke to fight against each other. I would assume their battle will be epic and at the end they will both be exhausted. This will be a perfect moment to take a weakened sasuke to madara's base and somehow transfer his body into sasuke's and also he will get hold of a weakened naruto. While naruto's nine tail demon fox is being extracted, madara is going to be transferring his body into sasuke's. Two birds in one shot.

^A Theory

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Simply because madara won't have a pet to destroy anything anymore. Madara waited a long time just so he can get the power of the nine tail demon fox again.

This is why minato sealed the nine tail demon fox into naruto and also because naruto's grandmother and mother were host of the nine tail demon fox. Who better than naruto to be the perfect host of the nine tail demon fox. With this minato was able to still maintain the power of the nine tail demon fox in konoha's possession. Every big nation had one, it would be dangerous if konoha lost the most powerful tailed demon.

Do you honestly think that naruto can defeat madara even if naruto has now control of the nine tail demon fox? Naruto needs something more special than this in order to defeat madara. This is why minato just said that he hoped he would use the power of the nine tail demon fox.

I told you, as long as the Shinigami works your will, everything goes as planned. Even the Nine-Tails is no match for the death god

what makes you think this?

my assumption to whether minato was able to use a suppressing seal against the nine tail demon fox will come soon. I am not trying to make you believe my assumption but you are trying to say that my assumption has no way to be right which it's wrong.

Tell me, when will your assumption be proven right or wrong?

everyone respects the power of the nine tail demon fox which makes it even harder for minato to seal it into his son

You said that madara + nine tail demon fox would take him seconds to defeat minato. Now you are saying that it would take him time to defeat minato even with the nine tail demon fox aiding him.

which one do you want me to believe you?

You didn't pay attention to any of the evidence I just presented to you. If the special power wasn't the Nine-Tails, then why didn't Minato just seal the Nine-Tails into himself, killing himself along with the beast? That way, there is no chance that Madara will ever retrieve the fox. The "special power" Minato spoke of is the Nine-Tails; otherwise, Minato would have no reason to seal it into Naruto, when he could just kill the beast by sealing it into himself. It doesn't matter if Konoha loses the Nine-Tails; at least Madara will never be able to get his hands on it again.

By the way, Naruto's grandmother has never been shown in the story, and if you think Mito Uzumaki is his grandmother, then you are completely wrong.

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Kushina tells Naruto that Mito was simply her predecessor, not her mother. I don't know where you got the idea that Mito was Naruto's grandmother, but in any case, you are incorrect. It still doesn't matter if Kushina and Mito were former hosts of the Nine-Tails; what matters is that the "special power" is the Nine-Tailed Fox, and that was why Minato chose to seal it into Naruto. It would not be the end of Konoha if they lost the Nine-Tails; Madara would never be able to retrieve his most powerful weapon ever again.

Minato hoped Naruto would be able to use the Nine-Tailed Fox's power to defeat Madara. I don't know what sort of techniques Naruto will be able to perform now that he has full control of the Nine-Tails, but they all go towards Naruto defeating Madara. That was what Minato had in mand when sealing the Nine-Tails into his son.

And again you don't pay attention to the evidence I showed you. You just asked what made me think the Shinigami is essentially able to do anything, as long as it is working your will?

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To reiterate, look at what Orochimaru says: "you mean that this was the jutsu that sealed even the Kyuubi?!" If Minato called upon the Shinigami to seal the Nine-Tailed Fox, then that is what it would do.

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You want me to believe that Minato used a suppressing seal against the Nine-Tailed Fox, but you have not provided one iota of evidence to support your statements. What do you want me to believe? Something that is based purely on opinion?

And when did I say it would take Madara, alongside the Nine-Tailed Fox, an extensive amount of time to defeat Minato? I said that he would be defeated quickly, because Minato, without Mokuton techniques, could do nothing against the fox and consequently would be defeated rather easily. The best he could do is run away with his Flying Thunder God technique. Madara would just be too powerful; everyone in the Naruto world is aware of his immense strength.

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[silenceofthelambs]

nope, I don't see anywhere saying that madara was one of the people to have this power. Only sasuke and itachi so far until then it's only your assumption that madara has susanoo and amaterasu.

Did you even read what I just showed you? Apparently not. The article does not need to specify that Madara had Amaterasu and Susanoo, because each Uchiha with a Mangekyou Sharingan gains access to these techniques.

"Susanoo is a technique that creates a spiritual humanoid being. The spirit is gigantic and surrounds and protects the user; it is the third ability granted by the Mangekyou Sharingan, after Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi have been awakened."

And since Madara awakened his Mangekyou Sharingan, these were the abilities that the doujutsu would give him.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

and the situation you made did it happen nope. If he was the strongest ninja he wouldn't have his pet taken away so easily a got his ass kicked and now wants to depend on the power of another tailed beast to even fight again yea real impressive.

Hashirama, during his battle with Madara, had assistance from the outside. That was how the Nine-Tails was removed from the fight. If this "assistance" (Mito Uzumaki) were not there, ready to seal the fox inside herself, what do you think would have been the result of the battle?

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As I said, Hashirama, a member of the Senju clan, had his own techniques that were effective counters to the abilities Madara held in his prime. While we don't know this much yet, how else would Hashirama have been able to defeat Madara (even if the Nine-Tails were removed from the equation)? And due to Madara's loss, he has become nothing but an empty shell of his former self - if he had his full strength, he wouldn't even need the beasts - but in a way, he would, for his Moon's Eye Plan to work. At this point, the only person who is said to have defeated Madara was Hashirama Senju. And it turns out even he needed assistance from Mito Uzumaki to remove Madara's greatest weapon from the fight, then actually defeat him.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Why do so many people take these interviews seriously. They are ALL shit that people who enjoy this manga a little too much write because they don't get any.

The last interview I read was dated before Sakura met Sasuke after he fought Danzo. Supposedly, she was about to start acting more like a heroine. YET, all she did was fail to stab Sasuke, cry some more, become a liability by being saved by Kakashi and Naruto, and cry again and say "hey, I'm useless so I'm just gonna believe in Naruto and Sasuke and let them do there thing". Sakura has been an almost complete waste of pencil lead since the beginning of the manga.

None of the interviews are correct. Unless they come from like...Ohana or something, they are shit. Do. Not. Believe. Anything. Those. "Interviews". State.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Did you even read what I just showed you? Apparently not. The article does not need to specify that Madara had Amaterasu and Susanoo, because each Uchiha with a Mangekyou Sharingan gains access to these techniques.

"Susanoo is a technique that creates a spiritual humanoid being. The spirit is gigantic and surrounds and protects the user; it is the third ability granted by the Mangekyou Sharingan, after Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi have been awakened."

And since Madara awakened his Mangekyou Sharingan, these were the abilities that the doujutsu would give him.

There isn't actually anything that states that each Uchiha gets Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, and Susanoo. We only know of Itachi and Sasuke.

For all we know, Madara's space-time could be a result of his EMS because we've never actually seen his Sharingan in these moments when he teleports. It looks a hell of a lot like Kamui.

We'd all have to see more Uchiha.

So in this chapter, Madara refuses to state his name as Madara. Though for now, I still think it is Uchiha Madara, I also thought that if it wasn't....It could be Uchiha Kagami? The way Tobi talked to Danzo before he brought Sasuke out of him suggests that he knows Danzo...

 

[minatoisagod]

Alright just changing the topic when Hinata almost threw away her life for Naruto and when the fight with Pain was over I was sure that Kishi will continue this angle but ever since that nothing happened I mean Naruto should have at least talked with Hinata or Hinata should have approached Naruto but nothing happened. And when I think when Sakura after acting all so tough failed to kill Sasuke and then said "all I can do is believe in THEM" its just ridiculous, them I mean she should and must believe in Naruto not Sasuke. People are forgetting that Sasuke tried to sacrifice Karin who was his teammate, Sasuke has become a ridiculous mad villain and Sakura still keeps on saying all those ridiculous stuff about him. I really hope that Sakura dies I really hope that such a weak character which just keeps on acting tough deserves to die. I don't care who kills her but Sakura MUST DIE for the sake of the manga. Hell I like Sasuke when compared to Sakura at least Sasuke sticks to his words. Just let her die Kishi and let Hinata and Naruto be a happy couplexd

amen brother bitch needs to die

 

[minatoisagod]

Hashirama, during his battle with Madara, had assistance from the outside. That was how the Nine-Tails was removed from the fight. If this "assistance" (Mito Uzumaki) were not there, ready to seal the fox inside herself, what do you think would have been the result of the battle?

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As I said, Hashirama, a member of the Senju clan, had his own techniques that were effective counters to the abilities Madara held in his prime. While we don't know this much yet, how else would Hashirama have been able to defeat Madara (even if the Nine-Tails were removed from the equation)? And due to Madara's loss, he has become nothing but an empty shell of his former self - if he had his full strength, he wouldn't even need the beasts - but in a way, he would, for his Moon's Eye Plan to work. At this point, the only person who is said to have defeated Madara was Hashirama Senju. And it turns out even he needed assistance from Mito Uzumaki to remove Madara's greatest weapon from the fight, then actually defeat him.

don't change the fact that he still needs a fox to win or still not win in his case.

 

[MoarGray]

There isn't actually anything that states that each Uchiha gets Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, and Susanoo. We only know of Itachi and Sasuke.

For all we know, Madara's space-time could be a result of his EMS because we've never actually seen his Sharingan in these moments when he teleports. It looks a hell of a lot like Kamui.

We'd all have to see more Uchiha.

So in this chapter, Madara refuses to state his name as Madara. Though for now, I still think it is Uchiha Madara, I also thought that if it wasn't....It could be Uchiha Kagami? The way Tobi talked to Danzo before he brought Sasuke out of him suggests that he knows Danzo...

I Agree,
the only reason that Sasuke has the same abilities as Itachi is because itachi GAVE Sasuke a Mangekyo Sharingan, thats why Sasuke inherited that same power, however I don't believe that Time/Space Jutsu is Madara's Mangekyo power, I think it's something he invented himself, Masashi would have made it apparent that he was using his Mangekyo to teleport, he's used it so many times and that Sharingan noise doesn't show up anywhere, so Yeah~
Jk~

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

amen brother bitch needs to die

Hell yaxd

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

There isn't actually anything that states that each Uchiha gets Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, and Susanoo. We only know of Itachi and Sasuke.

For all we know, Madara's space-time could be a result of his EMS because we've never actually seen his Sharingan in these moments when he teleports. It looks a hell of a lot like Kamui.

We'd all have to see more Uchiha.

So in this chapter, Madara refuses to state his name as Madara. Though for now, I still think it is Uchiha Madara, I also thought that if it wasn't....It could be Uchiha Kagami? The way Tobi talked to Danzo before he brought Sasuke out of him suggests that he knows Danzo...

Exactly MS enabled Itachi to awaken Tsukyoumi Amaterasu and Susanoo but if all those who awakens MS gets this tech then I guess Kakahsi was suppose to awaken Tsukyomi right or may be Amaterasu (I forgot which eye gives which power) but Kakashi with MS can only use Kamui which is his special power where else Madara so far has just been using his special teleportation tech.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Exactly MS enabled Itachi to awaken Tsukyoumi Amaterasu and Susanoo but if all those who awakens MS gets this tech then I guess Kakahsi was suppose to awaken Tsukyomi right or may be Amaterasu (I forgot which eye gives which power) but Kakashi with MS can only use Kamui which is his special power where else Madara so far has just been using his special teleportation tech.

Perhaps Kakashi's Mangekyou is different because he had to develop it, not unlock it like members of the Uchiha clan do. Also, we don't know for certain if Madara's space-time ninjutsu is a result of his Mangekyou Sharingan being awakened.

While most manga chapters that have information on the Mangekyou and its abilities only suggest certain things here and there, my opinion is based on the fact that three sources of information say what I have been trying to point out all this time.

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If it weren't for these pieces of information above, then perhaps my opinion would swing the other way. But this is why I am led to believe Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and Susanoo are all abilities granted to an Uchiha who awakens his Mangekyou Sharingan.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

don't change the fact that he still needs a fox to win or still not win in his case.

As I said, if Mito Uzumaki were not there ready to seal the fox inside herself, Hashirama and Madara's battle might have ended with both killing each other. Ask yourself, if Mito were not there, what would Hashirama have done with the Nine-Tails, even if he took control of it with his Mokuton techniques? We still don't know exactly how Hashirama defeated Madara (even with the fox removed from the fight), but no doubt Hashirama had his own abilities that were good counters for Madara's techniques. Consider Naruto and Sasuke, since Kakashi says their lives parallel the two men who once formed this area, a result of their battle. Sasuke, with his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, will have an impressive arsenal of techniques, but so will Naruto. Same with Hashirama and Madara; they both had their own array of spectacular techniques and abilities.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Here's a prediction I thought of for chapter 503.

Chapter 503: Night Calls

As Minato finishes grinding the Rasengan into Madara's back, he takes a step back to survey the damage he has just done. Madara lies lifeless on the ground in front of Minato.

Minato: It's over...

Suddenly Madara appears directly behind Minato.

Madara: That's only your perception of the situation, Minato.

Minato (in thought): What?! There should've been no time for him to-

Before Minato can even finish his thought, Madara lashes out at him with his chains and strikes him on the cheek; blood begins pouring from the area.

Madara: You didn't really think it would be that easy, did you?

Minato (in thought): I should have known. I deduced that attacking at all for him would be risky, yet I still decided to challenge him head-on. He only pretended to attack. But then...if I didn't hit him...what did I just hit?

Minato looks at the form lying on the ground, and notices that by now it has eroded, leaving behind a solid white substance.

Minato (in thought): I don't even know what that is. Who is this guy? He avoided my question when I asked him if he was Madara, but the strange thing is, if he is, I haven't seen him use any Uchiha clan fire techniques. As a matter of fact, it doesn't look like his affinity even is fire.

Minato: I don't know if you are Madara or not, but I do know that your plans go beyond creating a war. For what reason have you really unleashed the Nine-Tails upon Konoha?

Madara: Are you sure it is in your best interest to be talking now, Minato? The village is not holding up well against the Nine-Tails.

Minato (in thought): What should I do? So far he's countered my every move to such a degree that it's as if he's always one step ahead of me. And aside from that, there's still the fox to worry about. If I attack him he'll go on the defensive, and it will make it impossible for me to kill him - but now he is not attacking either.

Madara: It's time we ended this, don't you think?

Madara disappears into the ground. The next moment his body, sticking partially out of the ground, appears behind Minato, preparing to suck him in to an alternate dimension. Minato tries to teleport away with the Flying Thunder God technique, but appears in front of Madara again.

Minato: How-

Minato soon realizes Madara is holding his special kunai.

Madara: Is that all, Minato?

With the special kunai in one hand, Madara prepares to suck Minato into his own dimension, but for some reason, is stopped right in his tracks.

Madara: An interesting development, to say the least.

Behind Madara stand Ionichi, Shikaku, Choza, Kakashi, Gai, and Shibi Aburame.

It turns out that Shikaku managed to catch Madara in his shadow binding technique right when he went solid.

Shikaku: Looks like we're just in time.

And this is it. Hope you enjoy.

 

[pureozzy101]

Perhaps Kakashi's Mangekyou is different because he had to develop it, not unlock it like members of the Uchiha clan do. Also, we don't know for certain if Madara's space-time ninjutsu is a result of his Mangekyou Sharingan being awakened.

While most manga chapters that have information on the Mangekyou and its abilities only suggest certain things here and there, my opinion is based on the fact that three sources of information say what I have been trying to point out all this time.

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If it weren't for these pieces of information above, then perhaps my opinion would swing the other way. But this is why I am led to believe Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and Susanoo are all abilities granted to an Uchiha who awakens his Mangekyou Sharingan.

just to inform you all of any ***pedia site anyone can write the information found on it so about 50 percent of the information is someones own interpretation, not the truth.

 

[what a drag]

just a thought guys:

when the 4th said that the masked man cant be madara since he's long dead (maybe the fight vs 1st), the masked man said that "oh i dont know that" is simply because he survived the battle against the first...

what do u think guys???

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Perhaps Kakashi's Mangekyou is different because he had to develop it, not unlock it like members of the Uchiha clan do. Also, we don't know for certain if Madara's space-time ninjutsu is a result of his Mangekyou Sharingan being awakened.

While most manga chapters that have information on the Mangekyou and its abilities only suggest certain things here and there, my opinion is based on the fact that three sources of information say what I have been trying to point out all this time.

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If it weren't for these pieces of information above, then perhaps my opinion would swing the other way. But this is why I am led to believe Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and Susanoo are all abilities granted to an Uchiha who awakens his Mangekyou Sharingan.

All these websites are not 100% accurate, the thing is on this websites most of the things are assumed and written just like all of us are doing here if it was endorsed by Kishi then I would have agreed. So just put these websites aside I know it seems logical that those 3 attacks should be the ones a user gains from MS but think like this. There were only 5 MS users so far in the history of the manga, Madara n his bro, Sasuke, Itachi and Kakashi. We still haven't seen Madara one of those 3 attacks he should be, Kakashi nope, and Sasuke and Itachi were able to most probably because they are brothers so their abilities are same. Just a thought though

Here's a prediction I thought of for chapter 503.

Chapter 503: Night Calls

As Minato finishes grinding the Rasengan into Madara's back, he takes a step back to survey the damage he has just done. Madara lies lifeless on the ground in front of Minato.

Minato: It's over...

Suddenly Madara appears directly behind Minato.

Madara: That's only your perception of the situation, Minato.

Minato (in thought): What?! There should've been no time for him to-

Before Minato can even finish his thought, Madara lashes out at him with his chains and strikes him on the cheek; blood begins pouring from the area.

Madara: You didn't really think it would be that easy, did you?

Minato (in thought): I should have known. I deduced that attacking at all for him would be risky, yet I still decided to challenge him head-on. He only pretended to attack. But then...if I didn't hit him...what did I just hit?

Minato looks at the form lying on the ground, and notices that by now it has eroded, leaving behind a solid white substance.

Minato (in thought): I don't even know what that is. Who is this guy? He avoided my question when I asked him if he was Madara, but the strange thing is, if he is, I haven't seen him use any Uchiha clan fire techniques. As a matter of fact, it doesn't look like his affinity even is fire.

Minato: I don't know if you are Madara or not, but I do know that your plans go beyond creating a war. For what reason have you really unleashed the Nine-Tails upon Konoha?

Madara: Are you sure it is in your best interest to be talking now, Minato? The village is not holding up well against the Nine-Tails.

Minato (in thought): What should I do? So far he's countered my every move to such a degree that it's as if he's always one step ahead of me. And aside from that, there's still the fox to worry about. If I attack him he'll go on the defensive, and it will make it impossible for me to kill him - but now he is not attacking either.

Madara: It's time we ended this, don't you think?

Madara disappears into the ground. The next moment his body, sticking partially out of the ground, appears behind Minato, preparing to suck him in to an alternate dimension. Minato tries to teleport away with the Flying Thunder God technique, but appears in front of Madara again.

Minato: How-

Minato soon realizes Madara is holding his special kunai.

Madara: Is that all, Minato?

With the special kunai in one hand, Madara prepares to suck Minato into his own dimension, but for some reason, is stopped right in his tracks.

Madara: An interesting development, to say the least.

Behind Madara stand Ionichi, Shikaku, Choza, Kakashi, Gai, and Shibi Aburame.

It turns out that Shikaku managed to catch Madara in his shadow binding technique right when he went solid.

Shikaku: Looks like we're just in time.

And this is it. Hope you enjoy.

Well so far its for sure we have only seen the first part of the fight so we have to wait for the second part. According to your prediction Madara is clearly winning which may be the case but for now no comments on this we will soon know what happened. On the other hand I really don't think that these Jounins will be there because they should be busy either helping Sarutobi against the Kyuubi.

 

[Faith]

Love the last page
Rasegan !

 

[OopsWrongHole]

It could be that Madara before and when he fought the first couldn't use the Space/Time jutsu. After all we heard about throughout the manga, people knew alot about Madara but not once did they say he had this power. Possibly, he can only use this Space/Time jutsu when he's in this form, as he said, "I'm just s shell of my former self". That's probably how Naruto or someone else can defeat him later, once he gains back his powers and former body, he probably might not be able to use Space/Time jutsus anymore.

Also, if your thinking of it that way, Izanagi, when used at the right time, will allow you to live at the cost of 1 sharingan eye. Danzou showed us perfectly well on the jutsu. It could be possible Madara used it at the wrong time, maybe not soon enough? So he died, and Izanagi failed to bring him back completely. That kinda seems like a ghost, or aka "shell of his former self". That could be why barrier and such have no affect on him when he doesn't want to be noticed/hit. He stuck in a parrallel universe between dead and alive. That could also explain why he's still alive after all these years. He's not techiniquelly alive so he can't die again, but then Izanagi might have brought back an imprint, image to say.

Who knows, hopefully we'll find out soon though! >.<

I freaking love that theory, it quite good to be honest xd

 

[OopsWrongHole]

As I said in a different post, the Mangekyou Sharingan grants the user access to three abilities - Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and Susanoo. Since Madara got as far as having an Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, we can assume that he did indeed have these abilities, since every Uchiha with a Mangekyou does. As far as Madara's space-time ninjutsu, that could be something he developed along with the use of Mangekyou Sharingan, so I'm not exactly sure about that. But did Madara lose his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan during his fight with the First Hokage? Or is he using his mask to cover what is really there?

Not particularly involved in the recent posts you have made but I want to know your actual opinion on Tobi controlling the kyuubi without using MS during the attack on konoha