I ain't arguing with ya, what Naruto had During the Kaguya fight and VOTE 2 are RSM to me and I don't give a **** what the databook says because if people really respected and followed the databook itself including kishi then Hiruzen should be unkillable. :bye:
Because Hagormo and Hamura were born with Kaguya's chakra which is the same as Juubi chakra because Kaguya is the Juubi. And Ashura was able to use BM which means he also inherited some Juubi chakra because it's the same as having bijuu chakra.
Because Hagormo and Hamura were born with Kaguya's chakra which is the same as Juubi chakra because Kaguya is the Juubi. And Ashura was able to use BM which means he also inherited some Juubi chakra because it's the same as having bijuu chakra.
Its not the same. I am using manga facts while you keep assuming.
Six Paths Sage mode is Sage Mode augmented by Six Paths Power. Noone has juubi chakra bro.
They recieved Six Paths Chakra. Stop interpretting the manga wrong.
Hamura and Hago inheruted six paths. The same power Naruto himself recieved straight from hagaromo. This upgraded his frog Sage mode and and made him more in tune with nature itself.
The 9 bijiu chakras merged with his new senjutsu to form his TSB and his new mode.
Without 9bijuus he can still merge Six Paths with frog senjutsu hence the lack of pigmentation.
Think of it like this. If hago recieved juubi chakra Naruto wouldnt need 9 bijuus anymore because he got Hagaromo pure chakra. Yet Naruto utilizes bijuu chakra/Six Paths/Frog senjutsu all at once.
Much like Sasuke uses Rinnegan/Mangekyou/Sharingan. Its just an upgrade.
Yes you do because Six Path Senjutsu is essentially Juubi chakra. Hagoromo's chakra + NE isn't enough to produce it otherwise Madara would have awakened it when he had Hashirama's Sage Mode.
In addition, Naruto was able to use normal SM in Gaiden which means NE alone doesn't give the user Six Path Senjutsu. It requires mixing the the chakra of 9 bijuu with NE.
Before Naruto uses RSM you see him united with the 9 bijuu which means his chakra was mixed with theirs
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Him being able to use Lava release further shows his chakra was mixed with the other bijuu in that mode
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Naruto's power goes like this : SM > KCM > BSM > BSM cloak > RSM > RSM cloak
He can still use RSM as an adult because he's permanently one with the 9 bijuu, but what he used in the Last was BSM not RSM because there's a significant difference between RSM cloak and BSM cloak.
His RSM cloak has the same symbols on his back as Hagoromo and the JuubiJins because it's a sign he has the same chakra as them.
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and the cloak automatically produces TSB which can't be switched off. Because there's no TSB with his cloak and no symbols on his back he's using BSM.
I disagree entirely. RSM (all 9 bijuu version) looks way cooler than any of Naruto's other forms. Truth seeking balls and the rinnegan symbol and the 9 tomoe on the back make just about anyone look epic! It just gives off this aura of power!
Besides, it is not all about the look. People care about the actual power as well. RSM >>>> BSM. It would be a pitiful shame for Kishi to take it away from Naruto.
So then how is it that the databook says that he was in RSM when he kicked Madara's truth seeking ball if it is only RSM if he has rikudou symbols on his back?
How is it BSM when he lacks toad sage mode pigmentation?
How is it BSM when the cloak's length is the size of RSM and way to short and smooth to be BSM?
Yes you do because Six Path Senjutsu is essentially Juubi chakra. Hagoromo's chakra + NE isn't enough to produce it otherwise Madara would have awakened it when he had Hashirama's Sage Mode.
In addition, Naruto was able to use normal SM in Gaiden which means NE alone doesn't give the user Six Path Senjutsu. It requires mixing the the chakra of 9 bijuu with NE.
Before Naruto uses RSM you see him united with the 9 bijuu which means his chakra was mixed with theirs
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Him being able to use Lava release further shows his chakra was mixed with the other bijuu in that mode
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Naruto's power goes like this : SM > KCM > BSM > BSM cloak > RSM > RSM cloak
He can still use RSM as an adult because he's permanently one with the 9 bijuu, but what he used in the Last was BSM not RSM because there's a significant difference between RSM cloak and BSM cloak.
His RSM cloak has the same symbols on his back as Hagoromo and the JuubiJins because it's a sign he has the same chakra as them.
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and the cloak automatically produces TSB which can't be switched off. Because there's no TSB with his cloak and no symbols on his back he's using BSM.
Why do you keep saying "What he used in the Last was..."? Nobody is denying that it was BSM in the Last. He obviously had the pigmentation of toad sage mode in the Last. We are talking about Gaiden and the Boruto movie where there was no pigmentation.
Also, him being able to use the bijuu powers such as lava style was only because he had the bijuu chakaras and he was able to actually call on their assistance. It wasn't because RSM requires the bijuu chakaras.
Here is my proof:
Hagoromo and Hamura both had RSM before Hagoromo became the juubi jinchuuriki (and Hamura was never a jinchuuriki to begin with). This means that these two had RSM even without bijuu chakara. It is just rikudou chakara + senjutsu.
As for Madara with Hashirama's sage mode, Madara only had a bit of rikudou chakara from awakening the rinnegan and a bit of senjutsu from Hashirama. It wasn't nearly enough for RSM.
Its not the same. I am using manga facts while you keep assuming.
Six Paths Sage mode is Sage Mode augmented by Six Paths Power. Noone has juubi chakra bro.
They recieved Six Paths Chakra. Stop interpretting the manga wrong.
Hamura and Hago inheruted six paths. The same power Naruto himself recieved straight from hagaromo. This upgraded his frog Sage mode and and made him more in tune with nature itself.
The 9 bijiu chakras merged with his new senjutsu to form his TSB and his new mode.
Without 9bijuus he can still merge Six Paths with frog senjutsu hence the lack of pigmentation.
Think of it like this. If hago recieved juubi chakra Naruto wouldnt need 9 bijuus anymore because he got Hagaromo pure chakra. Yet Naruto utilizes bijuu chakra/Six Paths/Frog senjutsu all at once.
Much like Sasuke uses Rinnegan/Mangekyou/Sharingan. Its just an upgrade.
Are you purposefully ignoring logic ? You keep denying what the manga has been telling you
Manga already explained Kaguya IS the Juubi
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Her chakra is Six Path Senjutsu which means the Juubi's chakra is Six Path Senjutsu. Because Kaguya is the Juubi, the chakra Hagoromo and Hamura were born with is the same chakra Juubi Jinchuuriki have hence why neither of them had to become a Jinchuuriki in order to use it.
Ashura was able to use BM without being a Jinchuuriki. What does that mean ?
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He inherited bijuu chakra a.k.a Juubi chakra hence why it was stated he had the Sage's body. After training hard the the Juubi chakra within him bloomed and he awakened Six Path Senjutsu.
Furthermore, if Hagoromo gave Naruto Six Path Senjutsu then how come Sasuke wasn't able to use it ? Are you telling me because Sasuke couldn't absorb NE ?
Ok, if that's the case then what you're saying is Hagoromo's chakra + NE = Six Path Senjutsu ?
So why didn't Madara unlock Six Path Senjutsu when he had Hashirama's Sage Mode and Sage chakra ?
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Why was Naruto able to use normal Sage Mode in Gaiden ?
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And why did Kishi have Obito coincidentally give Naruto the chakra of the 2 bijuu he was missing ?
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The author made it clear the chakra of all 9 bijuu combined with NE is what gave Naruto Six Path Senjutsu.
When Naruto uses RSM he's able to use bijuu KKG, which means his chakra is mixed with the other bijuu
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And TSB cannot be turned on and off at will which means the cloak he used in the Last was not RSM but just normal BSM with Hagoromo's chakra
Because Hagormo and Hamura were born with Kaguya's chakra which is the same as Juubi chakra because Kaguya is the Juubi. And Ashura was able to use BM which means he also inherited some Juubi chakra because it's the same as having bijuu chakra.
By your logic, that is all the more reason for Naruto's RSM to only require Hagoromo's chakara + senjutsu. You said that Hagoromo's chakara was juubi chakara. Naruto received Hagoromo's chakara directly from Hagoromo himself. Therefore by your logic, Naruto should be able to use RSM even without those pieces of the other bijuus.
Why do you keep saying "What he used in the Last was..."? Nobody is denying that it was BSM in the Last. He obviously had the pigmentation of toad sage mode in the Last. We are talking about Gaiden and the Boruto movie where there was no pigmentation.
Also, him being able to use the bijuu powers such as lava style was only because he had the bijuu chakaras and he was able to actually call on their assistance. It wasn't because RSM requires the bijuu chakaras.
Here is my proof:
Hagoromo and Hamura both had RSM before Hagoromo became the juubi jinchuuriki (and Hamura was never a jinchuuriki to begin with). This means that these two had RSM even without bijuu chakara. It is just rikudou chakara + senjutsu.
As for Madara with Hashirama's sage mode, Madara only had a bit of rikudou chakara from awakening the rinnegan and a bit of senjutsu from Hashirama. It wasn't nearly enough for RSM.
Except he was able to call on the bijuu's assistance because his chakra was mixed with theirs in the first place. And the lack of pigmentation in the Boruto movie is because his conrol of NE has improved now that he has Sage chakra.
In base mode he's able to absorb NE while running and in the War Arc he made it clear using bijuu chakra makes it easier for him to control NE, so logically he wouldn't have pigmentation when he uses BSM as an adult. RSM cloak has the 9 tomoe on the back along with TSB, Naruto had neither of those which means he was using BSM.
And I already explained Hagoromo and Hamura both had RSM because they were born with Kaguya's chakra which is Six Path Senjutsu. Their chakra is the same chakra JuubiJins have hence why they didn't need to be Jinchuuriki to use it.
By your logic, that is all the more reason for Naruto's RSM to only require Hagoromo's chakara + senjutsu. You said that Hagoromo's chakara was juubi chakara. Naruto received Hagoromo's chakara directly from Hagoromo himself. Therefore by your logic, Naruto should be able to use RSM even without those pieces of the other bijuus.
Logically yes but that's not the case, when he uses RSM he has the BSM pigmentation which is a sign he's mixing bijuu chakra with NE. So bijuu chakra is required for him to use that mode.
And when Madara had Sage chakra + NE he couldn't unlock Six Path Senjutsu until he had the chakra of all 9 bijuu, without the 9 bijuu Madara and Naruto cannot produce Six Path Senjusu even though they have Sage chakra
Except he was able to call on the bijuu's assistance because his chakra was mixed with theirs in the first place. And the lack of pigmentation in the Boruto movie is because his conrol of NE has improved now that he has Sage chakra.
In base mode he's able to absorb NE while running and in the War Arc he made it clear using bijuu chakra makes it easier for him to control NE, so logically he wouldn't have pigmentation when he uses BSM as an adult. RSM cloak has the 9 tomoe on the back along with TSB, Naruto had neither of those which means he was using BSM.
And I already explained Hagoromo and Hamura both had RSM because they were born with Kaguya's chakra which is Six Path Senjutsu. Their chakra is the same chakra JuubiJins have hence why they didn't need to be Jinchuuriki to use it.
Logically yes but that's not the case, when he uses RSM he has the BSM pigmentation which is a sign he's mixing bijuu chakra with NE. So bijuu chakra is required for him to use that mode.
And when Madara had Sage chakra + NE he couldn't unlock Six Path Senjutsu until he had the chakra of all 9 bijuu, without the 9 bijuu Madara and Naruto cannot produce Six Path Senjusu even though they have Sage chakra
Nothing in the manga has ever suggested that the amount of pigmentation around a toad sage's eyes decreases as they master nature energy (if they are already a perfect sage that is). Notice that in both the Last and in Gaiden, Naruto is seen in BSM and toad sage mode respectively, and he has just as much pigmentation around his eyes as he's always had. You are right that the war established that being in bijuu mode made it easier for Naruto to gather nature energy, and in the very same chapter that this was established, we see BSM Naruto with shiny orange pigmentation around his eyes. Yes adult Naruto was able to gather senjutsu while running, and in that very same panel we see him with the pigmentation.
No pigmentation = no toad SM = not BSM
Yes Naruto was able to call on the bijuus' assistance because he had their chakara, but that had nothing to do with RSM. The only thing that RSM influenced with the bijuu elements was granting the techniques senjutsu power and perhaps giving Naruto the knowledge on how to use the techniques due to that whole universal comprehension thing. Aside from that, Naruto would have been able to use the bijuu elements even had he not met Hagoromo since he had all the bijuu chakaras after Obito sealed the last two within him. In other words, the bijuus actually have nothing to do with base RSM (which does not require the bijuu chakaras). How do I know this you ask? Well Roshi (the jinchuuriki of Son Goku) could use lava style just due to possessing Son's chakara (and he didn't even have senjutsu or rikudou chakara). Bee could use Gyuki's ink just due to having Gyuki's chakara. No senjutsu or rikudou chakara was involved. In short, if you are a jinchuuriki or pseudo jinchuuriki of a bijuu (which Naruto was for all 9 bijuu), then you can use that bijuu's element regardless of senjutsu or rikudou chakara. This is proof that Naruto's usage of lava style and RSM are two totally unrelated things.
Also, Naruto does not have pigmentation when in RSM. This has been evident since Naruto first got RSM during the war.
He might be using Six Paths Sage chakra, but the form can only be Six Paths Sage Mode through the use of all of the Tailed Beasts' chakra, which Naruto would have to call upon. The unique tomoe design on the back is the indication of it being used. Of course he didn't lose it, but he hasn't used it.
He might be using Six Paths Sage chakra, but the form can only be Six Paths Sage Mode through the use of all of the Tailed Beasts' chakra, which Naruto would have to call upon. The unique tomoe design on the back is the indication of it being used. Of course he didn't lose it, but he hasn't used it.
It's clearly RSM despite some of the characteristics such as the 9 Tomoes not being shown. I think Kishimoto partially messed up considering his cloak largely resembles his BM Cloak, but it makes sense to see the equivalents of both Naruto and Sasuke's Powers (Rinnegan and RSM) be portrayed as being on the same level.
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