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X-men is an overall better franchise than Captain America imo and this is one of my favorite X-men storylines. so im hyped and expect it to be good, gonna see asap
X-Men:Apocalypse > Captain America: Winter Soldier
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blazekev90
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I loved all the small characters they quickly introduced as well. It made me want more. They really made Quicksilver OP. Loved Magneto, hopefully he's that powerful in future films.
Also, which 3 are you referring to?
Yes, she makes a important appearance. You'll enjoy it, trust me.
Only 7/10??
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But...it's literally as if Singer doesn't care.
They've Hugh Jackman'd Jennifer Laurence and now bc of star power Mystique's character arc means nothing because now rather than 'Mutant and Proud' she's 'a kinda popular celebrity' so now her character will never be in her true form.
It was such a clusterf*ck of a story that nobody really got the spotlight and complete aspects of previous films have been...forgotten? Mystique was Stryker in DoFP but somehow in this film that detail has just changed back? Now Wolverine is in Weapon X anyway in a twist that makes no sense.
It was a very fun power rangers episode with some cool 80s iconography but when a director cares so little about not just the source content but also...his own films? Hard to call it praise-worthy. That said it was a lot of fun. I can't call it a good film but i'm glad I saw it. Superhero blockbusters are just like 3 hours chunks of miscellaneous superhero 'stuff' at this point. Iconography & fanservice with no real driving plot behind it. Glad you liked it though.
Civil War > Deadpool >>>>>> Xmen > BvS
They've Hugh Jackman'd Jennifer Laurence and now bc of star power Mystique's character arc means nothing because now rather than 'Mutant and Proud' she's 'a kinda popular celebrity' so now her character will never be in her true form.
It was such a clusterf*ck of a story that nobody really got the spotlight and complete aspects of previous films have been...forgotten? Mystique was Stryker in DoFP but somehow in this film that detail has just changed back? Now Wolverine is in Weapon X anyway in a twist that makes no sense.
It was a very fun power rangers episode with some cool 80s iconography but when a director cares so little about not just the source content but also...his own films? Hard to call it praise-worthy. That said it was a lot of fun. I can't call it a good film but i'm glad I saw it. Superhero blockbusters are just like 3 hours chunks of miscellaneous superhero 'stuff' at this point. Iconography & fanservice with no real driving plot behind it. Glad you liked it though.
Civil War > Deadpool >>>>>> Xmen > BvS
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Most of your critics stem from the inconsistency from that of the comics/cartoon. That's where I think most people go wrong. Appreciate the film for its own original story with characters we just so happen to be familiar with. The comparison of the spotlight being on JL is understandable, not a fan of her and I loved the previous role of Mystique. However, that didn't ruin anything for me, we kind get the chance to see other characters play more combative/actions scenes than the same ole Mystique/Wolverine show down. Also, we can't say she won't use her true form, her character in the film was used to motive and help dictate the actions of other mutants. Honestly, she wasn't shown that much throughout the film.
If you want to mention misuse of character, Storm is the character.
I enjoyed the storyline. With as many introductory characters involved, the develop for each was done very well.
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He cares. This movie was response to fan complaints about the original trilogy.
-Gave comic-inspired costumes
-Gave Scott and Jean more presence making you care about them
-Gave a real Phoenix
-Showed Nightcrawler's jokey side
-Gave Storm with an actual African accent
-Gave an actual reason for Logan to fall for Jean
-Gave an actual Weapon X instead of a naked Hugh
-Showed X-men actual use teamwork
-Gave Scott and Jean more presence making you care about them
-Gave a real Phoenix
-Showed Nightcrawler's jokey side
-Gave Storm with an actual African accent
-Gave an actual reason for Logan to fall for Jean
-Gave an actual Weapon X instead of a naked Hugh
-Showed X-men actual use teamwork
No, it was Jlaw that didn't want to wear that make-up due to it making vomit. And they gave a reason for her not to walk around blue all the time within the film.
Its an ensemble cast movie.
Dude, 10 years have past since DoFP. All Mystique did was save Logan from the lake.
No, this was vastly superior to BvS.
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I'm pretty sure J. Law asked for the costume to be toned down because it made her feel ill and vomit. Also, isn't the whole point of Mystique's character in the prequels to inspire mutants to embrace their powers? Isn't that exactly what's accomplished by being a "celebrity" to the mutants, inspiring them to be like her and embrace their powers?
That's what you get in an ensemble cast mate.
The film showed Stryker being enthralled by the mutants, the REAL Stryker. You think in the ten year gap between DoFP and X-Men: A, that Mystique just stayed Stryker and the real Stryker never returned to his military bases and career?
It's simple: Mystique stopped be Stryker to go do Mystique things, Stryker came back to see Logan in the captivity of his military group, and his enthrallment with mutants caused him to just go with it and keep Logan for experimentation.
i agree. this was the best hero movie thus far for me.
-only one with a true villain
-stuck to a central plot
-awesome action
-BEST CAMEO
-Great foreshadowing
-Feel good movie
[I enjoyed civil war, bvs, and deadpool. But this takes the cake]
-only one with a true villain
-stuck to a central plot
-awesome action
-BEST CAMEO
-Great foreshadowing
-mr. sinister
-dark phoenix
-dark phoenix
[I enjoyed civil war, bvs, and deadpool. But this takes the cake]
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After finally seeing the film...lol no, not even. While more personally enjoyable than BvS, I'd say this was just as bad film-wise. Not even close to Civil War.
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The mental plane battle was a huge miss. A lot of it felt kind of bogged down, the relationship between Erik and Charles was just repetitive in the themes, Apocalypse kinda didn't make sense. I feel like there's only a handful of scenes that are actually really good.
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"Mental plane battle" I'm assuming you're referring to the plot itself? If so, it's not hard to grasp, as it's the same story with most films. The plan to destroy/change the world. The Erik and Charles relationship has always been like this, thru the cartoon series, etc. if anything, it was less significant, as Charles was more focused on his school. They had little to no interaction if you really think about it. Apocalypse origin? What exactly?
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That was the point. Singer was intentionally making a parallel arc of what Erik had in First Class, but with the opposite end result(Erik going down a good path) to complete what was set-up in DoFP. He was trying to be poetic because this is the closing chapter of the Magneto vs Xavier struggle.
The whole family thing happened the comics too.
I assume you are talking about his plan. Its more clear on a second viewing.
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The closing of the Magneto vs Xavier struggle in the prequel movies should have been, in this movie, Erik and Charles accepting that their views are different. Three movies of "Erik there's good in you" is terrible writing. "Erik you don't have to do this" is shitty writing when he's been doing this for three movies. There comes a point where Charles realizes that Erik can't be swayed, there's a point where he realizes that Erik simply must be stopped. Three movies and 20 years of not realizing that is awful, awful writing.
It's only worse that they actually appear buddy buddy by the end of the movie when Erik has helped him kill a ton of people by that point, and they're just chilling having the same conversation AGAIN.
I got his plan the first time. The powers of Apocalypse don't make sense. It's a common trope by now, but it's still one of bad writing. A being with near unlimited power, and yet he can't finish off people in certain situations. For example, when he finds Erik, he sinks the entire factory staff in an instant below the ground with their arms sticking out. When he finds Storm, he has one man's entire body be assimilated into a wall right away with no effort. He can tear apart and atomize entire buildings and cities and cars with his mind. And yet, when Mystique, Quicksilver, Erik, Storm and Scott are directing attacks at him, he struggles. He can't atomize them like he did entire buildings in one swoop. He only has a part of the ground wrap around QS' leg instead of instantly shoving everyone underground like he did the factory workers. He throws Scott into a wall and covers him from head to toe with the stone so he suffocates, right? Wrong. He covers his chest and arms and leaves his head exposed...for some reason instead of killing him.
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He did gave up on Erik after the events of First Class. He didn't gain his faith in him back until the end of Days of Future.
Xavier probably didn't see it as his fault since he was under Apoc's influence. There are subtle hints in the film that Apocalypse has superhuman persuasion and Singer months ago mentioned that he uses this on the horsemen. Its more apparent on the second viewing.
I don't think its bad writing, but that Apocalypse just can't turn organic matter into dust. Everything he turned into dust was inorganic objects. We never actually see him do this to people at all. Just like how Magneto can only control metal.
With Quicksilver, it just seemed like he wanted to torture him a bit after being slapped around. With Mystique he was using her as a hostage to lure Charles out. With Scott, he was more concern with fending off Magneto's attack and getting to Xavier.
EDIT: I disagree with it being as bad as BvS film-wise. That movie was a muddled mess, pure setting up movie, fulled with pointless scenes, and shafted Superman. At least this movie tried to be good and Fox actually had faith in their film unlike WB did with BvS.
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