[Discussion] Religion

[Vandenre1ch]

Well it seems like to me you're angry at the Christians than not believing in Christianity

Not angry. I said I don't care about religion and listed a FEW reasons why. It all boils down to ignorance, hypocrisy, double standards and outright stupidity(not saying believing in God is stupid) that comes with religion and it turns me away.

The three Bibles contain/omit certain passages as a result of intense textual criticism enployed over the translations of the originally Greek manuscripts autographs (Gospels). Most verses that were corrected were of little to no importance to the central dogma and taking care of them was but a standard process of making the translations more accurate.

The Christmas deal also isn't true, if you bothered to actually study the origins you'd know the claim is silly. The rest is pretty much just your limited experience speaking for the whole group.

Another common response I get. "You don't know you are talking about" or "Not only Christians are like that" as a response to say that your comments are irrelevant or a small percentage is like that.

I can't really take your comments seriously as they seem to have alot of biased faith, but can yo me real responses to the things I listed? It would be a first.

This is a big one for me that reinforced my atheism. The fact that so many Christian customs are actually derived from Pagans and Sumerian mythologies.



Obviously, you're not a golfer.

I also don't like how the rules constantly change and how different churches has different rules. My "current church" thinks that going to the movies is a sin.....

 

[Marin]

Another common response I get. "You don't know you are talking about" or "Not only Christians are like that" as a response to say that your comments are irrelevant or a small percentage is like that.

I can't really take your comments seriously as they seem to have alot of biased faith, but can yo me real responses to the things I listed? It would be a first.

When you don't know what you're talking about then it's appropriate to tell you that you don't know what you're talking about. I already gave you a response to the only 2 things that mattered in your post (changes in Bible and Christmas origin), the rest was just your own limited experience which you use to paint the whole group on. It's called generalization genius, and it's a fallacy.

So until you bring some actual arguments yourself, there isn't much for me to counter.

 

[Deadlift]

"Jesus was not a real person, but a bunch of pagan myths put together!!1!"
"How do you know it?"
"...."

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

"Jesus was not a real person, but a bunch of pagan myths put together!!1!"
"How do you know it?"
"...."

>Mocks people for believing something without evidence
>Believes in religion

Also, who here said that Jesus was pagan myths?

 

[Marin]

>Mocks people for believing something without evidence
>Believes in religion

Also, who here said that Jesus was pagan myths?

He's reffering to stereotypical flawed arguments militistic atheists bring to the table.

Speaking of which, where did he mention mocking for lack of evidence?

 

[Nobel]

"God", his depiction in this world makes me believe he is just a question. A question left unanswered. :|

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

He's reffering to stereotypical flawed arguments militistic atheists bring to the table.

Speaking of which, where did he mention mocking for lack of evidence?

Those dots at the end clearly indicate that the person he's talking about didn't have any evidence.

 

[Marin]

Those dots at the end clearly indicate that the person he's talking about didn't have any evidence.

Ah, and that's mocking how? It's supposed to be a joke portraying a conversation with a stereotypical militist. (Atleast that's my guess, go ask him directly for what he meant by it.)

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Ah, and that's mocking how? It's supposed to be a joke portraying a conversation with a stereotypical militist. (Atleast that's my guess, go ask him directly for what he meant by it.)

What? That's clearly mocking dude....

 

[nefraiko]

>Mocks people for believing something without evidence
>Believes in religion

Also, who here said that Jesus was pagan myths?

their are lots of evidences of the existence of god. just look at yourself, how your body is made and how the world is made. every bit of this universe is evidence of god. just like your laptop is the evidence of existence of the firm who made it. that is just one kind of proofs of god's existence, their is an infinity of other categories of proofs.

do you think that absolute justice exists in this world ? no ? then how do you call this need deep inside of you of justice, of pure justice, if you haven't met it even once in your whole life ? it's like if you are in need of water, in the sahara, and their is no water, but you know it exists !
how can you know that infinity exists while you didn't see it only once ?
how can you need something that doesn't exist nowhere in this world ?
how can you need liberty when you can't be free from earth ?! when you're limited by the laws of physics when you want to travel far in the space ? you've never known true liberty, you just know it exists somewhere, deep within you, and you've known it since you've opened your eyes in this world.

experimental science : the personification of human's intelligence and ingeniosity is nothing but an attempt to understand how the universe works, how things are. doesn't that tell you something ? the universe is perfectly made, in a beautifull way, it is the personification of absolute intelligence, of absolute science, it is perfect, it can't work if it isn't perfect.

their is an infinity of proofs, just look, honestly.

 

[Marin]

What? That's clearly mocking dude....

Is denying a historical fact not a silly thing to do? I'm pretty sure simply quoting such a thing doesn't serve as anything else but a quote. If the statement is so bad it becomes a mockery by simply saying it, then the problem is the statement.

Either way, we're completely off-topic and the very post we're discussing is what is considered spam, so I'd preffer the thread doesn't derail from the topic. (Especially as it's been doing a good job so far.)

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

their are lots of evidences of the existence of god. just look at yourself, how your body is made and how the world is made. every bit of this universe is evidence of god. just like your laptop is the evidence of existence of the firm who made it. that is just one kind of proofs of god's existence, their is an infinity of other categories of proofs.

So if the complexity of organisms is evidence of a creator, then isn't the existence of that creator, who is more complex than us, evidence of the creator's creator?

 

[ComplexCity]

So if the complexity of organisms is evidence of a creator, then isn't the existence of that creator, who is more complex than us, evidence of the creator's creator?

Let me fancy you with a question, do you feel like the human race will be able to reach the levels of omnipotence? I.E Understanding of all things

 

[Hagoromo Reanimation]

So if the complexity of organisms is evidence of a creator, then isn't the existence of that creator, who is more complex than us, evidence of the creator's creator?

If you claim the universe created itself can't one just say the creator created themselves?

 

[nefraiko]

So if the complexity of organisms is evidence of a creator, then isn't the existence of that creator, who is more complex than us, evidence of the creator's creator?

the creator doesn't have the characteristics of the creation.

the human creates the machine. the machine doesn't need to eat. the human needs to eat.
god creates the human. the human need to be created to exists, god doesn't need to be created to exist.

the human obeys the time-space law, he didn't exist at a point of time, he will not exist at a point of time, god doesn't obey the time-space law, he's out of it, he created it, therefore, he always existed by himself.
that is what differenciate the human with the creator.

their is only one true creator : he creates things from nothing, new things.
he can create a whole new universe with new physic and mathematical laws, with new laws that are neather physics or maths, these are just laws we've seen in this universe.

the human just copies like a monkey, to prove it to you try to imagine a new color, try to create a new smell, no don't combine what you know to create something "new", create something new from nothing ! create, don't combine.
all the the "creations" of the human are just reproductions of what he has seen on this universe. you can't even imagine completly new things that is what makes you a creation. and these are your limits.

but then, if you only reproduce things from what you see, and if you are full of limits and never have seen nor experienced even once in your life not having limits, how can you know of the concept of "limitless" and "infinity" ? you've 100% seen it somewhere, or you've been taugh that it exists, because you can't think of new things by yourself.

 

[Deadlift]

>Mocks people for believing something without evidence
>Believes in religion

Also, who here said that Jesus was pagan myths?

Nope, I was just making a bit of irony about a stereotypical claim some critics of Christianity do. And since such a thing happened to me more than a time, I just felt allowed to share it
Also, yeah I believe in religion, don't you believe religion exists?

 

[UchiGOD]

I'm a Muslim. And I chose it myself. Though I agree,many ppl don't choose religion,but their parents,teachers,friends,etc,choose it for them. I was one of them,though I ended up hating islam,cuz I was't convinced about many things
... And I lacked enough information. But u know what??? It is our duty to search about them. Not just our religion,but all of them and choose the best one. Like I did,I although hot help from many ppl,(it's important to ask the right ones about this) and now,I love Islam,and it is my honor that I'm a Muslim. Many ppl judge it and just hate it for no reason. But hey,is it right to judge things u don't know or even understand??????? Is it right to hate sth becuz others say?????? My opinion is no. Absolutely no!!!!
Anyways,most religions(Islam,Christianity,Jew) have the same God and the same goal. All we have to is to search about them,learn them and understand them,then throw stone at them!!!!!

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

I'm a Muslim. And I chose it myself. Though I agree,many ppl don't choose religion,but their parents,teachers,friends,etc,choose it for them. I was one of them,though I ended up hating islam,cuz I was't convinced about many things
... And I lacked enough information. But u know what??? It is our duty to search about them. Not just our religion,but all of them and choose the best one. Like I did,I although hot help from many ppl,(it's important to ask the right ones about this) and now,I love Islam,and it is my honor that I'm a Muslim. Many ppl judge it and just hate it for no reason. But hey,is it right to judge things u don't know or even understand??????? Is it right to hate sth becuz others say?????? My opinion is no. Absolutely no!!!!
Anyways,most religions(Islam,Christianity,Jew) have the same God and the same goal. All we have to is to search about them,learn them and understand them,then throw stone at them!!!!!

I'm assuming you're making a reference to stepping stones because this honestly looks like what people usually think of Muslims and considering a certain law.... yeah....

 

[Made in Heaven]

"Jesus was not a real person, but a bunch of pagan myths put together!!1!"
"How do you know it?"
"...."

Honestly, this is just like those who deny Prophet Muhammad existed, which is very surprising to me, considering how well his life was preserved in history.

So if the complexity of organisms is evidence of a creator, then isn't the existence of that creator, who is more complex than us, evidence of the creator's creator?

Can't believe you resorted to such a dumb argument. The creator would not need a creator. And even if it did, supposedly, that doesn't negate the fact that the creator of the world demands us to worship and listen to him. IN other words, even if God 1 created God 2, and God 2 created the world, that doesn't mean we don't listen to God 2 since he is STILL the one who created us, even if it was God 1 who created him.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Honestly, this is just like those who deny Prophet Muhammad existed, which is very surprising to me, considering how well his life was preserved in history.



Can't believe you resorted to such a dumb argument. The creator would not need a creator. And even if it did, supposedly, that doesn't negate the fact that the creator of the world demands us to worship and listen to him. IN other words, even if God 1 created God 2, and God 2 created the world, that doesn't mean we don't listen to God 2 since he is STILL the one who created us, even if it was God 1 who created him.

What? The guy said that our complexity is evidence of a creator, so I said that the complexity of this creator is evidence of the creator's creator. I'm just using his logic. You saying that God would not need a creator doesn't make it true. I could just say that matter does not need a creator then. That last part is completely irrelevant to the point of my post.