[Discussion] Religion

[Marin]

This is false. Watch this video:

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And how exactly does the video invalidate his statement?

It's pretty much just one of many historical lessons for dummies (albeit with more than a few errors) that really speaks nothing about the trinity at all.

Also, he simply said he believes in trinity so what's false there? Are you trying to say he doesn't believe? What..

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

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...Me? I don't subscribe to any specific set of religious beliefs or magical sky pixies. That's why I'm a

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. I don't care to practice or preach despite this picture above saying priest. What I do believe in, on the other hand (I'm not a nihilist as I alluded to already), is being non-dogmatic and the ability to accept people as just people in all their complexity; nothing more, nothing less. All we should do is abide to each other and ourselves like The Dude does. Abide to gay and transsexual people, even if you don't want to sleep others of the same *** and feel comfortable with your own gender. Abide to people with differing beliefs. Oh, and if you don't abide, my homies and I will show up on your doorstep and cut your dick off, man. Don't fuck with the Jesus, man.

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[Deadlift]

This is false. Watch this video:

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Watched the point at 6:53 of that video and can't find how it proves trinity wrong or whatever

 

[Ludicrous]

I left my religion earlier this year. I was sick of a belief chosen for me without my opinion, reading a book in a language I didn't understand and finding no answers. Then I discovered existentialism.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Because you jinxed it with

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. :|

hahahahahaha

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

You're like that lecture that just tells you do what you feels is right.
Instead of telling me what's wrong with or with not studying you're telling me to do what I feel like it XD

I am not saying that at all.

I already told you that I believe that Christ Yashuah is the Way the Life and the Truth and that He Resurrected to save us all.

I believe that with all my heart, mind and soul. and strength. Its the truth.

So no, i am not simply saying do what you feel is right. I am saying what i believe but that you are entitled to believe what you choose to believe.

There is only one truth. I am not here to ram it down anyones throat or push it in anyones face, but if you need to know. The truth is Christ.

Historically, Archeologically, Spiritually. Deeply.

And all i said is that i left, searching, only to realise it was the truth all along and returned again.

(am not looking to go deeep on narutobase bro).

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Life is a collection of biomatter, and the Universe doesn't have any inherent "truth", at least not in the way your question implied.

So when you are a ghost what will you do?

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

No offense, but I always thought Muslism belief and Christian (Catholic) belief was the same. I don't really understand the beef.

We both eat beef so we have beef.

 

[Sakura Michiko]

Nothing. I'm pan-agnostic. I don't really doubt the existence of any god(s) and I don't claim they are real. There's a possibility that any god(s) can be real or not.I use to be Christian but I started questioning than when I was 14. When I turned 18 I became agnostic. Sometimes it's hard for me to express and tell others what I am without the assumption or ignorance that I'm a scared Atheist or scared Christian..oh or the assumption that I'm a Satanist.

 

[JENchuuriki]

Catholic, but I want to call it Christian. 'Cause for me it's all one. Both believes in Christ.

My parents are both Catholics. My Mom used to be an officer in our local church, while my Dad pursued seminary in his younger years.

I have friends with different religions, mostly Born Again Christian - although we believe in the same God. Their teachings is different from us. I began to attend their church. At first it was all good., until, a member is convincing me to do their evangelical works and all. Also they compare their teachings to us and say things I can't stand. But it opened my mind into a lot of questions. I read the Bible everyday which I didn't do in Church. I immerse myself in Christianity - read the Bible, read Christian books, watch Christian talks, and pray everyday like what they do in Born Again.

After all these. I realized in my study of these that religions can't force you to believe in something you cannot.

For me, I believe in God. In Jesus Christ. And that is because, whenever I feel unloved and uncertain, there would always be some higher power to think of and that everything will be ok. It doesn't hurt to believe in such things, and that is what faith is. Believing in something you can't see or even prove. Also, I have been in a situation where we really need someone/something beyond of what we know like miracle - my Dad was hospitalized then and all we could do is PRAY and BELIEVE that he would get healed.

Now, I can't say I'm all good. Because no one is. I just live my life, with precautions - to that, I want to please and let God be happy with me in my doings rather than think about what other people think of me. Whenever I pray, I talk to Him like a friend and in all honesty say things I want.

*I will not say that it is greater than any other religions, because there should be no comparing. Believing is an opinion. And I want to respect that.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Born into a serious Christian Family(grandfather was even a pastor and all his children are ministers). I currently don't care about religion.

-Don't like the contradictions
-Don't like how people ignore my genuine questions and act like I'm possessed
-Don't like how other religions bash on the other
-Don't like how alot of the Christians I've spoken hasn't even read their own bible
-Don't like how I have 3 bibles and all 3 says different things. One says gay marriage is wrong(not gay) and was printed in the 70s while the other 2 says nothing about it. Can't trust modern bibles where any guy can alter the words to match their own personal beliefs.
-Don't like how America calls itself "Te Land of Freedom" when it obviously caters to Christianity and treats other religions like garbage.
-Don't like how I get shit from Christians when I tell them Christmas, Jesus' birthday, was created by gay Romans. Its the truth and I was just saying.....no need to hold me down to rub oil on my forehead.....

 

[HashiraMadara]

Born into a serious Christian Family(grandfather was even a pastor and all his children are ministers). I currently don't care about religion.

-Don't like the contradictions
-Don't like how people ignore my genuine questions and act like I'm possessed
-Don't like how other religions bash on the other
-Don't like how alot of the Christians I've spoken hasn't even read their own bible
-Don't like how I have 3 bibles and all 3 says different things. One says gay marriage is wrong(not gay) and was printed in the 70s while the other 2 says nothing about it. Can't trust modern bibles where any guy can alter the words to match their own personal beliefs.
-Don't like how America calls itself "Te Land of Freedom" when it obviously caters to Christianity and treats other religions like garbage.
-Don't like how I get shit from Christians when I tell them Christmas, Jesus' birthday, was created by gay Romans. Its the truth and I was just saying.....no need to hold me down to rub oil on my forehead.....

Well it seems like to me you're angry at the Christians than not believing in Christianity

 

[Marin]

Born into a serious Christian Family(grandfather was even a pastor and all his children are ministers). I currently don't care about religion.

-Don't like the contradictions
-Don't like how people ignore my genuine questions and act like I'm possessed
-Don't like how other religions bash on the other
-Don't like how alot of the Christians I've spoken hasn't even read their own bible
-Don't like how I have 3 bibles and all 3 says different things. One says gay marriage is wrong(not gay) and was printed in the 70s while the other 2 says nothing about it. Can't trust modern bibles where any guy can alter the words to match their own personal beliefs.
-Don't like how America calls itself "Te Land of Freedom" when it obviously caters to Christianity and treats other religions like garbage.
-Don't like how I get shit from Christians when I tell them Christmas, Jesus' birthday, was created by gay Romans. Its the truth and I was just saying.....no need to hold me down to rub oil on my forehead.....

The three Bibles contain/omit certain passages as a result of intense textual criticism enployed over the translations of the originally Greek manuscripts autographs (Gospels). Most verses that were corrected were of little to no importance to the central dogma and taking care of them was but a standard process of making the translations more accurate.

The Christmas deal also isn't true, if you bothered to actually study the origins you'd know the claim is silly. The rest is pretty much just your limited experience speaking for the whole group.

 

[ComplexCity]

You weren't born as a Muslim, you were born as an atheist. Your parents then taught you to believe in Islam.

And he wasn't born an atheist as both are beliefs. Babies don't believe in anything until taught. Make sure you have all your facts right next time

 

[Punk Hazard]

-Don't like how I get shit from Christians when I tell them Christmas, Jesus' birthday, was created by gay Romans.

This is a big one for me that reinforced my atheism. The fact that so many Christian customs are actually derived from Pagans and Sumerian mythologies.

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...Me? I don't subscribe to any specific set of religious beliefs or magical sky pixies. That's why I'm a

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. I don't care to practice or preach despite this picture above saying priest. What I do believe in, on the other hand (I'm not a nihilist as I alluded to already), is being non-dogmatic and the ability to accept people as just people in all their complexity; nothing more, nothing less. All we should do is abide to each other and ourselves like The Dude does. Abide to gay and transsexual people, even if you don't want to sleep others of the same *** and feel comfortable with your own gender. Abide to people with differing beliefs. Oh, and if you don't abide, my homies and I will show up on your doorstep and cut your dick off, man. Don't fuck with the Jesus, man.

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Obviously, you're not a golfer.

 

[lagala]

I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.

 

[Made in Heaven]

In secret I was waiting for a muslim because my high school physics teacher is the one who drove me to Islam =D.

Now my simple questions, which I am sure you have no literally answer to but anyways:

* Is heaven a congestion of matter as well or it is metaphysical?
* Does metaphysical point in directions all or it's plain omnipresent
* Allah created us to worship Him... right? went through all the troubles of creating us for one sake "we worshipping Him" I am not sure if this sounds like a stroking of Ego or what...
* There is judgement day right? where there will be forever lives am I right? Where is sense of fulfilment if from judgement day there on you life will be about worshipping explicitly every minute of everyday :|

I'd like to answer these, if you don't mind.

Heaven is a physical location.

Have no idea what you're asking with this

Well, first off, using the phrase "went through tall the troubles" isn't appropriate since nothing is difficult for God. Anyways, if anyone has the right to stroke their own ego, it would be God, naturally, given how his power and wisdom are limitless. With humans, however, stroking ones ego is looked down upon by other humans because we all know that that egoistic person is not perfect, that he has flaws and shortcomings and, like all other creation, can't support himself (ei can't move, think, or breath) without God's power. Egoism is being self-centered, is it not? But no human has the right to be self centered since their abilities are not their own, while God does, because he IS the center of every and anything in the universe, so for him to ask us to worship praise him is acceptable. God even praises himself numerous times in the Quran.

Yes, there is a day of judgement,and yes people will live forever. But no, you misunderstand what happens after that. People don't worship God every minute of everyday after that. If they make it to paradise, they will enjoy whatever they wish. Beautiful foods, spouses, views, palaces, servants, and more. God has said that paradise is packed to the brim with things no human has ever seen, heard, smelled, tasted, or even imagined in their mind, and even says that if one were to take a whip and strike the ground of Paradise with it, the area that whip connects with would be more valuable than the entire world. So, if one makes it to paradise, it's enjoyment and relaxation for all eternity.

 

[Michelle]

in am christian orthodox, parents choose it and i am fine with it even if im not so religious, never thought to swich to atheism or other religion. I truly belief in God and i think that the holly books cannot be taken ad litteram. A bunch of allegories and wisdom stories, to find support when you loose the right path. To think that one lived 1000 years or that humanity came from just 2 people and the universe were created in 7 days ... all of these are metaphors. Too read between them is really hard.

[B... It's like being born in a vegetarian country with no meat around, not even a single edible animal around. You're bound to defend the plants as the "right" choice of food solely because you were never exposed to a different dish than the plants e.g. bible is not allowed in the Saudis [/B]

yeah, something like this

I know, I've had my communist period too xd but I never accused religion of anything, at the light of what happened after Marx's publications

and how exactly Papa Marx enlightened you??? No realism come from him U_U

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As far as trusting my own abilities is concerned than i don't require any proof for myself, i believe everything written in the Quran without question or doubt...

believe and do not doubt, is not working for me

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Also, there are a number of Christian religious people and priests who do awesome things in the name of their faith, so to say that religion sucks because you've seen priests driving a Lamborghini isn't exactly big deal

this is not quite because of religion but because of their humanity. And to think ontopic.. a humanity given by God Himself...

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The bible corrupted like 100 or so years after Prophet Jesus by morons like Paul. ..

did you meet him and noticed that he's a moron?

 

[Deadlift]

in am christian orthodox, parents choose it and i am fine with it even if im not so religious, never thought to swich to atheism or other religion. I truly belief in God and i think that the holly books cannot be taken ad litteram. A bunch of allegories and wisdom stories, to find support when you loose the right path. To think that one lived 1000 years or that humanity came from just 2 people and the universe were created in 7 days ... all of these are metaphors. Too read between them is really hard.

yeah, something like this

and how exactly Papa Marx enlightened you??? No realism come from him U_U

believe and do not doubt, is not working for me

this is not quite because of religion but because of their humanity. And to think ontopic.. a humanity given by God Himself...

did you meet him and noticed that he's a moron?

Orthodox Christian huh? Cool, I'm studying Orthodoxy quite seriously.. Anyway, lol forget about Marx, I was just too young and naive.. About humanity I definitely agree, but we can say they pray to God to become more altruistic, thing that a non religious definitely doesn't do, so there is a high probability it helps.

 

[nefraiko]

In secret I was waiting for a muslim because my high school physics teacher is the one who drove me to Islam =D.

Now my simple questions, which I am sure you have no literally answer to but anyways:

* Is heaven a congestion of matter as well or it is metaphysical?
* Does metaphysical point in directions all or it's plain omnipresent
* Allah created us to worship Him... right? went through all the troubles of creating us for one sake "we worshipping Him" I am not sure if this sounds like a stroking of Ego or what...
* There is judgement day right? where there will be forever lives am I right? Where is sense of fulfilment if from judgement day there on you life will be about worshipping explicitly every minute of everyday :|

"is heaven a congestion of matter as well or it is metaphysical"
I didn't read anything that can answer this in the quran, but I believe it is metaphysical, if metaphysical means that it is made of material beyond the understanding of humans.

if you think about it we have clear limits to our imagination and creativness, just like monkeys the fact is we only repeat in our creations what we've seen so far on earth. for example we can't imagine new geometrics, we can't imagine new colors, we can't create new feelings, just think about it. that is the difference between god and us, therefore, we can't imagine how this new world will be, and we can't imagine hell. god is the only being that can create new things, that we can't imagine.

I think of the paradise as a new planet in another universe, we were told that their are seven skies, and that the paradise was in the seventh sky. but that's just me.

"Does metaphysical point in directions all or it's plain omnipresent": I'm sorry but I don't understant your question.

" Allah created us to worship Him... right? went through all the troubles of creating us for one sake "we worshipping Him" I am not sure if this sounds like a stroking of Ego or what..."

he didn't go through any troubles at all, god is worshiped not because he wants it only, he is worshiped because he must be worshiped for his deeds. didn't you, at least one time in your life, look at the moon, the twilight, or the sea or even have a good feeling or whatever and said : wow, this is beautifull ! this is perfect ! it happens to me everytime I praise god without even noticing it, then I notice that I praised god without knowing, then I praise him even more. I just took a deep breath of fresh air in the morning, it felt so great that I couldn't stop myself from feeling this great pleasure, in this perfect environement. you worship god in everything you do, that's how perfect and sublime he is.

"There is judgement day right? where there will be forever lives am I right? Where is sense of fulfilment if from judgement day there on you life will be about worshipping explicitly every minute of everyday"

do you feel tired of breathing ? what if worshiping god became like breathing ? will you do stop breathing / worshiping ? and as I said earlier, by enjoying the life that god gave you you worship him, you worship him by taking everything he gives you, even as you have ***, in islam, if it is with your wife it is considered as an act of worship. as you eat, as you take a good shit, everything is a worship.
and in the quran people in paradise are described by god as people with bright faces, you can say when you look at their faces that they are living an awesome life, laying and looking (in summary, having a great time)