What is the difference between RSM and RS?

[Gabby-chan]

Madara never had/unlocked RSM( Six Path Sage Mode/ Rikudo Sennin Modo)!!!!
Madara had Rikudo Senjutsu..

Rikudo Sennin Modo (RSM) ≠ Rikudo Senjutsu (RS)
RSM comes from having Rikudo chakra and going into SM and was a gift from Hagoromo.. Naruto's RSM is independent of the bijuu..
RS comes from being JJ thus RS is dependent on the bijuu or the Juubi specifically..
The two having similar abilities doesn't make them the same

You don't need the bijuu or the juubi to have RSM
You need the bijuu or juubi for RS

OT: I think all SM would have still resulted in RSM for Hagoromo anyways.. just probably a few different abilities

What do you think RSM is ? It's a Sage Mode that gives the user Six Path Senjutsu.

RSM = Six Path Senjutsu - to awaken it you need Juubi chakra + NE

Madara unlocked it when he became JuubiJin because Juubi = NE + Kaguya's chakra

Naruto unlocked RSM because he had the chakra of 9 bijuu combined with NE = Juubi's chakra

Hagoromo had RSM because he had the Kaguya's chakra which is the same as Juubi chakra and combined it with NE


Six Path Senjutsu = Juubi/Kaguya chakra + NE

Actually Naruto's RSM is independent of the bijuu..
He has RSM with or without the bijuu chakra.. just like how Hagoromo had it before getting the bijuu..

If you take away the bijuu from Madara, he can no longer use his Rikudo Senjutsu abilities..
Take away the bijuu from Naruto and he still has RSM..
That's how different RSM is from Rikudo Senjutsu gained from becoming JJ..
so yeah RSM ≠ Rikudo Senjutsu..
RSM = SM with Rikudo chakra
Rikudo Senjutsu = becoming one with the juubi and using its Rikudo abilities which happen to be similar with RSM

False, he awakened RSM because he had the chakra of 9 bijuu in the first place, Hagoromo's chakra + NE isn't sufficient, Madara proved this because he didn't unlock Six Path Senjutsu despite having Sage Mode and Rikudou chakra, he still needed the 9 bijuu to gain the Juubi's chakra which happens to be Kaguya's chakra, which is what Hagoromo was born with.

Uzumaki inherited Gedo traits so as a result Naruto's body had the same function as the statue by mixing the bijuu's chakra with his own under the influence of NE.

Bijuu chakra combined with NE was the equivalent of Juubi chakra + NE hence why he had the same powers as Hagoromo.


RSM = Six Path Senjutsu = Kaguya's chakra + NE, without the bijuu there's no way of him unlocking the same chakra as Hagoromo or the JuubiJins.

Incorrect, the Databook lists the Naruto who healed Gai and smashed Madara into oblivion as being within his RSM, despite him not combining the Bijuu powers within him until he used the cloak. The Databook also explicitly notes that it is a gift from Hagoromo no exceptions.

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"Heading: A gift from the ancestor of Shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things."
This Naruto is in RSM:

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Naruto was actively given Hagromo's chakra and power directly, he didn't need to merge it with the Tailed Beasts to gain RSM at all as proven. Madara and Obito don't have RSM (only Hagoromo and Naruto have it), they have the Ten Tails Coffin Seal Mode which is gained through the power of the Juubi (which has Natural Energy on its own BTW). Normal NE does not equal Rikudou Senjutsu.

Read and see for yourselves.

 

[Gabby-chan]

There literally is no difference.

Rikudou Sage Mode is what enables you to augment Rikudou's chakra with Natural Energy which is Rikudou Senjutsu.

People claim people with Rikudou Senjutsu aren't users of Rikudou Sage Mode because they believe that RSM is exclusive to Naruto whereas Madara and Obito possesses a different form of "RSM" (for lack of a better term) which is "RS" because they obtained there's from the Juubi, but this is illogical. Obito and Madara both possess the Senjutsu of the Six Paths and thus, should have RSM.

Essentially, RSM and RS is practically the same thing. If you have one, you have to have the other.

Thank you for clarifying

 

[HashiraMadara]

RSM and SM both rely on NE but RSM can't be activated without Kaguya's chakra. In order to attain Kaguya's chakra Ashura's descendants need the 9 bijuu. Naruto and Madara can't unlock Six Path Senjutsu without the chakra of 9 bijuu.

Hagoromo was born with Kaguya's chakra which is the same as having the chakra of 9 bijuu while Ashura using BM implies he also had Juubi chakra which equates to 9 bijuu.

No bijuu chakra = no RSM because Six Path Senjusu = Juubi/Kaguya chakra + NE

What's NE :|

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

What's NE :|

Natural Energy. Naruto had to gather NE to battle against Indra's Arrow.

 

[SenseiSama]

There literally is no difference.

Rikudou Sage Mode is what enables you to augment Rikudou's chakra with Natural Energy which is Rikudou Senjutsu.

People claim people with Rikudou Senjutsu aren't users of Rikudou Sage Mode because they believe that RSM is exclusive to Naruto whereas Madara and Obito possesses a different form of "RSM" (for lack of a better term) which is "RS" because they obtained there's from the Juubi, but this is illogical. Obito and Madara both possess the Senjutsu of the Six Paths and thus, should have RSM.

Essentially, RSM and RS is practically the same thing. If you have one, you have to have the other.

Exactly, RSM is basically Sage Mode that grants Six path Senjutsu, JuubiJins don't need it because the Juubi's chakra is Six Path Senjutsu to begin with. In the end of the day Kaguya's chakra is required to unlock it.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Natural Energy. Naruto had to gather NE to battle against Indra's Arrow.

NE = Senjutsu :sdo:

 

[HashiraMadara]

Exactly, RSM is basically Sage Mode that grants Six path Senjutsu, JuubiJins don't need it because the Juubi's chakra is Six Path Senjutsu to begin with. In the end of the day Kaguya's chakra is required to unlock it.

Nah Momoshiki has no Kaguya's blood but had Rikudou Senjutu

 

[SenseiSama]

Nah Momoshiki has no Kaguya's blood but had Rikudou Senjutu

Chakra fruit is the source of Six Path Senjutsu so eating it gave him the same chakra as Kaguya's.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Chakra fruit is the source of Six Path Senjutsu so eating it gave him the same chakra as Kaguya's.

Lol I was removing the Kaguya as source of RS part

 

[Yata Mirror]

There literally is no difference.

Rikudou Sage Mode is what enables you to augment Rikudou's chakra with Natural Energy which is Rikudou Senjutsu.

People claim people with Rikudou Senjutsu aren't users of Rikudou Sage Mode because they believe that RSM is exclusive to Naruto whereas Madara and Obito possesses a different form of "RSM" (for lack of a better term) which is "RS" because they obtained there's from the Juubi, but this is illogical. Obito and Madara both possess the Senjutsu of the Six Paths and thus, should have RSM.

Essentially, RSM and RS is practically the same thing. If you have one, you have to have the other.

Did you say there's no difference??

1. RSM can be activated and deactivated at will
RS from the Ten Tails Coffin Seal is permanent. Once activated, you can't deactivate it

2. RSM doesn't require bijuu chakra, although with bijuu chakra you become more OP
RS is solely dependent on bijuu specifically juubi chakra since you need to become JJ

I agree that they essentially do they same thing but that doesn't make them one and the same..

 

[Gabby-chan]

Did you say there's no difference??

1. RSM can be activated and deactivated at will
RS from the Ten Tails Coffin Seal is permanent. Once activated, you can't deactivate it

2. RSM doesn't require bijuu chakra, although with bijuu chakra you become more OP
RS is solely dependent on bijuu specifically juubi chakra since you need to become JJ

I agree that they essentially do they same thing but that doesn't make them one and the same..

See, and then they don't reply to you, which gets me confused because i'm not sure if you're right or wrong and I don't want to be going around saying the wrong thing.