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[SenseiSama]

Madara never had/unlocked RSM( Six Path Sage Mode/ Rikudo Sennin Modo)!!!!
Madara had Rikudo Senjutsu..

Rikudo Sennin Modo (RSM) ≠ Rikudo Senjutsu (RS)
RSM comes from having Rikudo chakra and going into SM and was a gift from Hagoromo.. Naruto's RSM is independent of the bijuu..
RS comes from being JJ thus RS is dependent on the bijuu or the Juubi specifically..
The two having similar abilities doesn't make them the same

You don't need the bijuu or the juubi to have RSM
You need the bijuu or juubi for RS

OT: I think all SM would have still resulted in RSM for Hagoromo anyways.. just probably a few different abilities

What do you think RSM is ? It's a Sage Mode that gives the user Six Path Senjutsu.

RSM = Six Path Senjutsu - to awaken it you need Juubi chakra + NE

Madara unlocked it when he became JuubiJin because Juubi = NE + Kaguya's chakra

Naruto unlocked RSM because he had the chakra of 9 bijuu combined with NE = Juubi's chakra

Hagoromo had RSM because he had the Kaguya's chakra which is the same as Juubi chakra and combined it with NE


Six Path Senjutsu = Juubi/Kaguya chakra + NE

 

[Yata Mirror]

What do you think RSM is ? It's a Sage Mode that gives the user Six Path Senjutsu.

RSM = Six Path Senjutsu - to awaken it you need Juubi chakra + NE

Madara unlocked it when he became JuubiJin because Juubi = NE + Kaguya's chakra

Naruto unlocked RSM because he had the chakra of 9 bijuu combined with NE = Juubi's chakra

Hagoromo had RSM because he had the Kaguya's chakra which is the same as Juubi chakra and combined it with NE


Six Path Senjutsu = Juubi/Kaguya chakra + NE

Actually Naruto's RSM is independent of the bijuu..
He has RSM with or without the bijuu chakra.. just like how Hagoromo had it before getting the bijuu..

If you take away the bijuu from Madara, he can no longer use his Rikudo Senjutsu abilities..
Take away the bijuu from Naruto and he still has RSM..
That's how different RSM is from Rikudo Senjutsu gained from becoming JJ..
so yeah RSM ≠ Rikudo Senjutsu..
RSM = SM with Rikudo chakra
Rikudo Senjutsu = becoming one with the juubi and using its Rikudo abilities which happen to be similar with RSM

 

[NextGenNinja]

Eh, i always thought hagoromo was the one who taught the sage animals(Toad sage,Snake sage, and slug sage?) how to use senjutsu. Not the other way around, specially the toad sage...

 

[SenseiSama]

Actually Naruto's RSM is independent of the bijuu..
He has RSM with or without the bijuu chakra.. just like how Hagoromo had it before getting the bijuu..

If you take away the bijuu from Madara, he can no longer use his Rikudo Senjutsu abilities..
Take away the bijuu from Naruto and he still has RSM..
That's how different RSM is from Rikudo Senjutsu gained from becoming JJ..
so yeah RSM ≠ Rikudo Senjutsu..
RSM = SM with Rikudo chakra
Rikudo Senjutsu = becoming one with the juubi and using its Rikudo abilities which happen to be similar with RSM

False, he awakened RSM because he had the chakra of 9 bijuu in the first place, Hagoromo's chakra + NE isn't sufficient, Madara proved this because he didn't unlock Six Path Senjutsu despite having Sage Mode and Rikudou chakra, he still needed the 9 bijuu to gain the Juubi's chakra which happens to be Kaguya's chakra, which is what Hagoromo was born with.

Uzumaki inherited Gedo traits so as a result Naruto's body had the same function as the statue by mixing the bijuu's chakra with his own under the influence of NE.

Bijuu chakra combined with NE was the equivalent of Juubi chakra + NE hence why he had the same powers as Hagoromo.


RSM = Six Path Senjutsu = Kaguya's chakra + NE, without the bijuu there's no way of him unlocking the same chakra as Hagoromo or the JuubiJins.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

I like these current episodes

really filling up the plot-hole bingo cards that Kishi left us

 

[Ansatsuken]

I like these current episodes

really filling up the plot-hole bingo cards that Kishi left us

But dont you find and agree with me the scene of Kaguya eating a CF not very well developed and seem too force

 

[Reviewing Logic]

But dont you find and agree with me the scene of Kaguya eating a CF not very well developed and seem too force

well animation wise it was literally under budget

but the whole human betrayal thing wasn't bad

 

[HashiraMadara]

Boi that's filler. Snake SM > toad SM > whatever SM Hashirama have possibly slug because shikkotsu forest. > Snake SM.

Ryuchi cave > Myõboku > Shikkotsu > Snake.

You're out of your mind! Hashirama Sage mode >>>> all sage modes except RSM

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

False, he awakened RSM because he had the chakra of 9 bijuu in the first place, Hagoromo's chakra + NE isn't sufficient, Madara proved this because he didn't unlock Six Path Senjutsu despite having Sage Mode and Rikudou chakra, he still needed the 9 bijuu to gain the Juubi's chakra which happens to be Kaguya's chakra, which is what Hagoromo was born with.

Uzumaki inherited Gedo traits so as a result Naruto's body had the same function as the statue by mixing the bijuu's chakra with his own under the influence of NE.

Bijuu chakra combined with NE was the equivalent of Juubi chakra + NE hence why he had the same powers as Hagoromo.


RSM = Six Path Senjutsu = Kaguya's chakra + NE, without the bijuu there's no way of him gaining the same chakra as Hagoromo or the JuubiJins.

Incorrect, the Databook lists the Naruto who healed Gai and smashed Madara into oblivion as being within his RSM, despite him not combining the Bijuu powers within him until he used the cloak. The Databook also explicitly notes that it is a gift from Hagoromo no exceptions.

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"Heading: A gift from the ancestor of Shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things."
This Naruto is in RSM:

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Naruto was actively given Hagromo's chakra and power directly, he didn't need to merge it with the Tailed Beasts to gain RSM at all as proven. Madara and Obito don't have RSM (only Hagoromo and Naruto have it), they have the Ten Tails Coffin Seal Mode which is gained through the power of the Juubi (which has Natural Energy on its own BTW). Normal NE does not equal Rikudou Senjutsu.

 

[SenseiSama]

Incorrect, the Databook lists the Naruto who healed Gai and smashed Madara into oblivion as being within his RSM, despite him not combining the Bijuu powers within him until he used the cloak. The Databook also explicitly notes that it is a gift from Hagoromo no exceptions.

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"Heading: A gift from the ancestor of Shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things."
This Naruto is in RSM:

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Naruto was actively given Hagromo's chakra and power directly, he didn't need to merge it with the Tailed Beasts to gain RSM at all as proven. Madara and Obito don't have RSM (only Hagoromo and Naruto have it), they have the Ten Tails Coffin Seal Mode which is gained through the power of the Juubi (which has Natural Energy on its own BTW). Normal NE does not equal Rikudou Senjutsu.

He already had bijuu power combined with NE, look at his eye pattern that's the sign that NE is mixed with bijuu chakra. Six Path Senjutsu consists of Kaguya's chakra combined with NE, therefore Naruto would requires the bijuus to reproduce it.

Having the chakra of 9 bijuu mixed with NE is the same as having Juubi chakra mixed with NE hence why he unlocked the sme chakra as JuubiJins and Hagoromo. His cloak was not activated but his eyes show that he had bijuu chakra mixed with NE.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

He already had bijuu power combined with NE, look at his eye pattern that's the sign that NE is mixed with bijuu chakra. Six Path Senjutsu consists of Kaguya's chakra combined with NE, therefore Naruto would requires the bijuus to reproduce it.

Having the chakra of 9 bijuu mixed with NE is the same as having Juubi chakra mixed with NE hence why he unlocked the sme chakra as JuubiJins and Hagoromo. His cloak was not activated but his eyes show that he had bijuu chakra mixed with NE.

No, that is the pigmentation of his Six Paths Sage Mode (it's similar to his Kurama eyes but its actually different). If he had combined their powers together he wouldn't need to separately ask for their powers, he'd have them passively active within him and he'd have the TSBs, something that can only be formed with the Chakra of the Nine Tailed Beasts. Six Paths Senjutsu is Natural Energy right? But with the Six Paths powers. Naruto got his Chakra directly from Hagoromo who had the original RSM even before he was a Jin so Naruto still has the same Chakra. The Juubi's chakra imitated Hagoromo's powers but in actual fact was only Senjutsu (Construct of Natural Energy) in itself.

Adult Naruto is capable of entering RSM without using all the Bijuu's Chakra (which has only ever been shown with the rippled circle and Nine Tomoes on his back). We know for a fact you can just be given or steal the Rikudou Senjutsu Chakra and can use it as if you were a Jin (Obito stole Senjutsu from Madara and was able to form TSBs again, he just couldn't activate the mode, and this is considering TSB = Nine Tailed Beasts Chakra + Rikudou Senjutsu).

 

[SenseiSama]

No, that is the pigmentation of his Six Paths Sage Mode (it's similar to his Kurama eyes but its actually different). If he had combined their powers together he wouldn't need to separately ask for their powers, he'd have them passively active within him and he'd have the TSBs, something that can only be formed with the Chakra of the Nine Tailed Beasts. Six Paths Senjutsu is Natural Energy right? But with the Six Paths powers. Naruto got his Chakra directly from Hagoromo who had the original RSM even before he was a Jin so Naruto still has the same Chakra. The Juubi's chakra imitated Hagoromo's powers but in actual fact was only Senjutsu (Construct of Natural Energy) in itself.

Adult Naruto is capable of entering RSM without using all the Bijuu's Chakra (which has only ever been shown with the rippled circle and Nine Tomoes on his back). We know for a fact you can just be given or steal the Rikudou Senjutsu Chakra and can use it as if you were a Jin. Obito stole Senjutsu from Madara and was able to form TSBs again, he just couldn't activate the mode, and this is considering TSB = Nine Tailed Beasts Chakra + Rikudou Senjutsu.

As I said before having Hagoromo's chakra isn't enough, Madara had Hagoromo's chakra, Ashura's body as well as Sage Mode, but he still needed the 9 bijuu in order to awaken Six Path Senjutsu.

Six Path Senjutsu consists of Kaguya's chakra combined with NE which is the equivalent of having the chakra of 9 bijuu combined with NE.

Madara and Naruto both required the 9 bijuu to unlock Six Path Senjutsu because neither of them were born with Kaguya's chakra unlike Hagoromo.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

As I said before having Hagoromo's chakra isn't enough, Madara had Hagoromo's chakra, Ashura's body as well as Sage Mode, but he still needed the 9 bijuu in order to awaken Six Path Senjutsu.

Six Path Senjutsu consists of Kaguya's chakra combined with NE which is the equivalent of having the chakra of 9 bijuu combined with NE.

Madara and Naruto both required the 9 bijuu to unlock Six Path Senjutsu because neither of them were born with Kaguya's chakra unlike Hagoromo.

Madara only had Rikudou Chakra, not Rikudou Senjutsu, nor did he get it directly from its source.

The Juubi's CHAKRA IS explicitly Natural Energy. Everyone who has been a Jin to it and gained the Ten Tails Coffin Seal Mode already had Rikudou Chakra but not the pure Natural Energy of Rikudou Senjutsu (which is completely different in sheer potency and effects).

No, Madara required the Juubi to unlock the Ten Tails Coffin Seal, Naruto was given Hagoromo's Senjutsu directly and that gave him RSM. THE SAME ****ING CHAKRA THAT ****ING HAGOROMO HAD!

****ing Obito stole Rikudou Senjutsu and was able to form TSBs despite not having any of the Nine Bijuu or the Juubi, why is this? Because he ****ing stole that Chakra from Madara. So think genius what happens when Hagoromo (the first user of RSM before Naruto), gives his Chakra's and power of Senjutsu to said unpredictable Shinobi (Hagoromo split his powers between Naruto and Sasuke, which is Rinnegan and RSM)? Naruto gains ****ing RSM.
Even in the Last Naruto used KCSM without any of the other Tailed Beasts chakra but he was still capable of both touching and destroying the TSBs, and had flight. Something that can only be done with Rikudou Senjutsu. Adult Naruto has only ever used Rikudou Senjutsu + Kurama's Chakra, this is clearly shown when his cloak never takes on the form of the Nine Tomoe on his back nor the Rinnegan like circle which everyone with Juubi powers gain.

Heck even Sasuke has Rikudou Senjutsu because A. Both him and Naruto were given the SAME Chakra, the only difference was in the powers they were given, and B. Six Paths Chibaku Tensei can only be used by two individuals who BOTH have Rikudou Senjutsu.

"Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals.It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu."

Not only that but the obvious fact that Sasuke was shown to be able to touch TSBs should make this obvious. I hope you concede now, after all, if two explicit cases of someone having Six Paths Senjutsu but not having the Juubi should make you understand hopefully that I'm correct.

Rikudou (Six Paths) Senjutsu = Hagoromo's Senjutsu Chakra or Juubi + Rikudou Chakra; and Rikudou Sage Mode = Hagoromo's Sage Mode. Ten Tails Coffin Seal Mode = Rikudou Chakra + Juubi NE Mode.

 

[Yata Mirror]

Madara only had Rikudou Chakra, not Rikudou Senjutsu, nor did he get it directly from its source.

The Juubi's CHAKRA IS explicitly Natural Energy. Everyone who has been a Jin to it and gained the Ten Tails Coffin Seal Mode already had Rikudou Chakra but not the pure Natural Energy of Rikudou Senjutsu (which is completely different in sheer potency and effects).

No, Madara required the Juubi to unlock the Ten Tails Coffin Seal, Naruto was given Hagoromo's Senjutsu directly and that gave him RSM. THE SAME ****ING CHAKRA THAT ****ING HAGOROMO HAD!

****ing Obito stole Rikudou Senjutsu and was able to form TSBs despite not having any of the Nine Bijuu or the Juubi, why is this? Because he ****ing stole that Chakra from Madara. So think genius what happens when Hagoromo (the first user of RSM before Naruto), gives his Chakra's and power of Senjutsu to said unpredictable Shinobi (Hagoromo split his powers between Naruto and Sasuke, which is Rinnegan and RSM)? Naruto gains ****ing RSM.
Even in the Last Naruto used KCSM without any of the other Tailed Beasts chakra but he was still capable of both touching and destroying the TSBs, and had flight. Something that can only be done with Rikudou Senjutsu. Adult Naruto has only ever used Rikudou Senjutsu + Kurama's Chakra, this is clearly shown when his cloak never takes on the form of the Nine Tomoe on his back nor the Rinnegan like circle which everyone with Juubi powers gain.

Heck even Sasuke has Rikudou Senjutsu because A. Both him and Naruto were given the SAME Chakra, the only difference was in the powers they were given, and B. Six Paths Chibaku Tensei can only be used by two individuals who BOTH have Rikudou Senjutsu.

"Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals.It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu."

Not only that but the obvious fact that Sasuke was shown to be able to touch TSBs should make this obvious. I hope you concede now, after all, if two explicit cases of someone having Six Paths Senjutsu but not having the Juubi should make you understand hopefully that I'm correct.

Rikudou (Six Paths) Senjutsu = Hagoromo's Senjutsu Chakra or Juubi + Rikudou Chakra; and Rikudou Sage Mode = Hagoromo's Sage Mode. Ten Tails Coffin Seal Mode = Rikudou Chakra + Juubi NE Mode.

Exactly! I couldn't have said it any better

 

[SenseiSama]

Madara only had Rikudou Chakra, not Rikudou Senjutsu, nor did he get it directly from its source.

The Juubi's CHAKRA IS explicitly Natural Energy. Everyone who has been a Jin to it and gained the Ten Tails Coffin Seal Mode already had Rikudou Chakra but not the pure Natural Energy of Rikudou Senjutsu (which is completely different in sheer potency and effects).

No, Madara required the Juubi to unlock the Ten Tails Coffin Seal, Naruto was given Hagoromo's Senjutsu directly and that gave him RSM. THE SAME ****ING CHAKRA THAT ****ING HAGOROMO HAD!

****ing Obito stole Rikudou Senjutsu and was able to form TSBs despite not having any of the Nine Bijuu or the Juubi, why is this? Because he ****ing stole that Chakra from Madara. So think genius what happens when Hagoromo (the first user of RSM before Naruto), gives his Chakra's and power of Senjutsu to said unpredictable Shinobi (Hagoromo split his powers between Naruto and Sasuke, which is Rinnegan and RSM)? Naruto gains ****ing RSM.
Even in the Last Naruto used KCSM without any of the other Tailed Beasts chakra but he was still capable of both touching and destroying the TSBs, and had flight. Something that can only be done with Rikudou Senjutsu. Adult Naruto has only ever used Rikudou Senjutsu + Kurama's Chakra, this is clearly shown when his cloak never takes on the form of the Nine Tomoe on his back nor the Rinnegan like circle which everyone with Juubi powers gain.

Heck even Sasuke has Rikudou Senjutsu because A. Both him and Naruto were given the SAME Chakra, the only difference was in the powers they were given, and B. Six Paths Chibaku Tensei can only be used by two individuals who BOTH have Rikudou Senjutsu.

"Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals.It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu."

Not only that but the obvious fact that Sasuke was shown to be able to touch TSBs should make this obvious. I hope you concede now, after all, if two explicit cases of someone having Six Paths Senjutsu but not having the Juubi should make you understand hopefully that I'm correct.

Rikudou (Six Paths) Senjutsu = Hagoromo's Senjutsu Chakra or Juubi + Rikudou Chakra; and Rikudou Sage Mode = Hagoromo's Sage Mode. Ten Tails Coffin Seal Mode = Rikudou Chakra + Juubi NE Mode.

Here's the misconception, the Juubi's chakra IS Six Path Senjutsu, the Juubi was confirmed to be Kaguya therefore it isn't pure NE as you state, it's rather her chakra combined with NE and because she's the Juubi her chakra is essentially the chakra of 9 bijuu.

When Madara and Obito became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki they gained possession of the Juubi's chakra which is Six Path Senjutsu, as I mentioned before Six Path Senjutsu consists of Kaguya's chakra combined with NE, which in turn is the equivalent of having the chakra of 9 bijuu combined with NE.

Therefore without the chakra of 9 bijuu neither Madara nor Naruto would have been able to acquire Six Path Senjutsu because they weren't born with the Juubi's chakra like Hagoromo.

Sage chakra and NE alone isn't sufficient, Madara already proved it when he had Hagoromo's chakra and Sage Mode, he still needed the 9 bijuu because combining them grants him Kaguya's chakra which is what Six Path Senjutsu consists of.

 

[minamoto]

Filler he had pink hair

you also have pink hair..

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Here's the misconception, the Juubi's chakra IS Six Path Senjutsu, the Juubi was confirmed to be Kaguya therefore it isn't pure NE as you state, it's rather her chakra combined with NE and because she's the Juubi her chakra is essentially the chakra of 9 bijuu.

Kaguya would be the Shinju. Anyway, that would be Kaguya + Juubi, which the Nine Tailed Beasts don't have on their own as the Mazo is Kaguya XD

When Madara and Obito became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki they gained possession of the Juubi's chakra which is Six Path Senjutsu, as I mentioned before Six Path Senjutsu consists of Kaguya's chakra combined with NE, which in turn is the equivalent of having the chakra of 9 bijuu combined with NE.

Obito and Madara already had Rikudou Chakra, the Juubi's Chakra just added the missing NE element to form Sage Chakra.

Therefore without the chakra of 9 bijuu neither Madara nor Naruto would have been able to acquire Six Path Senjutsu because they weren't born with the Juubi's chakra like Hagoromo.
Sage chakra and NE alone isn't sufficient, Madara already proved it when he had Hagoromo's chakra and Sage Mode, he still needed the 9 bijuu because combining them grants him Kaguya's chakra which is what Six Path Senjutsu consists of.

Oh my good lord. Do I have to repeat myself? I mean, I gave you a ****ing Databook quote and Manga scans! Madara only HAD Rikudou Chakra formed from Ashura and Indra (a heavily diluted version, at that, not the true Chakra directly from Hagoromo himself) he did NOT have Hagoromo's Rikudou Senjutsu powers/Chakra. We know for a fact that Naruto's RSM did not come from the Tailed Beasts as its specifically called a gift from Hagoromo, not only that, but we SEE Hagoromo give him his Chakra and his Sage powers. This is very simple and easy to understand.

Reread these parts of my post:

****ing Obito stole Rikudou Senjutsu and was able to form TSBs despite not having any of the Nine Bijuu or the Juubi, why is this? Because he ****ing stole that Chakra from Madara. So think genius what happens when Hagoromo (the first user of RSM before Naruto), gives his Chakra's and power of Senjutsu to said unpredictable Shinobi (Hagoromo split his powers between Naruto and Sasuke, which is Rinnegan and RSM)? Naruto gains ****ing RSM.
Even in the Last Naruto used KCSM without any of the other Tailed Beasts chakra but he was still capable of both touching and destroying the TSBs, and had flight. Something that can only be done with Rikudou Senjutsu. Adult Naruto has only ever used Rikudou Senjutsu + Kurama's Chakra, this is clearly shown when his cloak never takes on the form of the Nine Tomoe on his back nor the Rinnegan like circle which everyone with Juubi powers gain.

Heck even Sasuke has Rikudou Senjutsu because A. Both him and Naruto were given the SAME Chakra, the only difference was in the powers they were given, and B. Six Paths Chibaku Tensei can only be used by two individuals who BOTH have Rikudou Senjutsu.

"Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals.It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu."

Not only that but the obvious fact that Sasuke was shown to be able to touch TSBs should make this obvious.

We've been shown in the Manga that it is indeed possible to gain Rikudou Senjutsu by just being given the Chakra, you don't have to have the Juubi within you, otherwise A. Sasuke wouldn't have Rikudou Senjutsu, B. Obito wouldn't have been able to steal a little bit of Chakra and use it to form TSBs, and C. Naruto wouldn't have had a base RSM mode in the first place. We know for a fact that his cloaked RSM during the Kaguya arc is the only version that the Bijuu's Chakra is directly interacting and melding with his powers passively and actively because of his cloak bearing the Nine tomoe and Rinnegan circle. THIS, is the appearance those with Nine Tailed Beast powers gain.

Quick question, if his base RSM was from the Tailed Beasts chakra, why would he even have a cloak? I mean, he'd already have all of their power there right? What's the point of the cloak, then? It's like you're saying RSM + Cloak is....Tailed Beast Chakra.... + Tailed Beast Chakra.
:erm:
How the **** does that even work?

 

[Meowazziel]

#Filler

As Hagoromo knew Gamamaru in the Manga too, it is likely that he learned from Gamamaru.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Kaguya would be the Shinju. Anyway, that would be Kaguya + Juubi, which the Nine Tailed Beasts don't have on their own as the Mazo is Kaguya XD



Obito and Madara already had Rikudou Chakra, the Juubi's Chakra just added the missing NE element to form Sage Chakra.





Oh my good lord. Do I have to repeat myself? I mean, I gave you a ****ing Databook quote and Manga scans! Madara only HAD Rikudou Chakra formed from Ashura and Indra (a heavily diluted version, at that, not the true Chakra directly from Hagoromo himself) he did NOT have Hagoromo's Rikudou Senjutsu powers/Chakra. We know for a fact that Naruto's RSM did not come from the Tailed Beasts as its specifically called a gift from Hagoromo, not only that, but we SEE Hagoromo give him his Chakra and his Sage powers. This is very simple and easy to understand.

Reread these parts of my post:



We've been shown in the Manga that it is indeed possible to gain Rikudou Senjutsu by just being given the Chakra, you don't have to have the Juubi within you, otherwise A. Sasuke wouldn't have Rikudou Senjutsu, B. Obito wouldn't have been able to steal a little bit of Chakra and use it to form TSBs, and C. Naruto wouldn't have had a base RSM mode in the first place. We know for a fact that his cloaked RSM during the Kaguya arc is the only version that the Bijuu's Chakra is directly interacting and melding with his powers passively and actively because of his cloak bearing the Nine tomoe and Rinnegan circle. THIS, is the appearance those with Nine Tailed Beast powers gain.

Quick question, if his base RSM was from the Tailed Beasts chakra, why would he even have a cloak? I mean, he'd already have all of their power there right? What's the point of the cloak, then? It's like you're saying RSM + Cloak is....Tailed Beast Chakra.... + Tailed Beast Chakra.
:erm:
How the **** does that even work?

M8 just give him Hamura Databook fact and there a picture showing Hamura with TSB and clearly he learned SPSenjutsu naturally without Juubi/9 Beasts chakra.

Same with Hagoromo before he became JJ.

SP chakra combine with (NE) what it will create? Six Path Senjutsu.

Normal chakra combine with (NE) what it will create? Senjutsu.

Easy and Simple logic without TLDR post :sdo:

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

M8 just give him Hamura Databook fact and there a picture showing Hamura with TSB and clearly he learned SPSenjutsu naturally without Juubi/9 Beasts chakra.

Same with Hagoromo before he became JJ.

SP chakra combine with (NE) what it will create? Six Path Senjutsu.

Normal chakra combine with (NE) what it will create? Senjutsu.

Easy and Simple logic without TLDR post :sdo:

Hahaha That's true XD However he'll just say "Hagoromo and Hamura were born with Kaguya's Chakra and that's why". Completely ignoring Hagoromo giving Naruto and Sasuke his Chakra and the Databook stating users of Rikudou Chibaku Tensei must have Rikudou Senjutsu XD Let alone Obito who didn't have the Juubi or Nine Tailed Beasts yet he regained Rikudou Senjutsu.