[Discussion] Religion

[HashiraMadara]

Life is a collection of biomatter, and the Universe doesn't have any inherent "truth", at least not in the way your question implied.

Then I'll ask you the simple question: Is this universe the only one

 

[Marin]

A good example to counter your argument is asking a Bio technician with 100% faith on the bible if he believes we are all connected genetically to Noah(a supposedly Aramaic guy) yet his results of mitochondrial DNA will point origins to Africa

... no offence, but you do realise there are different understandings of the Bible (especially the Genesis). One's understanding doesn't have to be at odds with the single origin theories. Even if it was, my point wasn't that knowledge will always support faith. My point is that the concepts of knowing and believing aren't at odds.

Don't see how this is a counter argument.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Your explanation to "choice". You're saying religion depends on your self yet that's almost an illusion.

Because a kid born and died in Saudi Arabia for example will 99.9% of times become a Muslim

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That's just down to cultural background. Of course you're going to see more people turn out Muslims in a country where the dominant religion is Islam. Cultural Background, how they were raised, ect, is still part of who that person is.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Atheist, because no religion satisfied my standards of proof. That's the only reason anyone ever became an Atheist, after all.

I abandoned religion for the same reason and went to science, HOWEVER instead of helping studying our universe. Science's so called "proofs" have turned into mathematical fantasies where a man sees a possibility of an existence in maths with no counter equation he already sets it as a reality!

 

[Marin]

Your explanation to "choice". You're saying religion depends on your self yet that's almost an illusion.

Because a kid born and died in Saudi Arabia for example will 99.9% of times become a Muslim

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Umm I didn't say it depends on yourself. I said that if one is opt to thinking (able to think for himself) he will ultimatively decide for himself.

Your example doesn't fit because it deals with a child that has nowhere near enough capacity to be able to tackle such ideological problems ie its not able to think for itself.

The most of the people I know abandoned religion for the problem of evil, or because it's trendy to say "religion is outdated, let's go scientistic"

Well there are more than those. I'd know, my best friend is a communist. xd

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

Your explanation to "choice". You're saying religion depends on your self yet that's almost an illusion.

Because a kid born and died in Saudi Arabia for example will 99.9% of times become a Muslim

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That is a product "Mob Mentality" it is a basic function of Human behavior. If you see a Majority of people doing something then you will be MORE LIKELY to do it too. Not for any good reason besides your natural inclination to be "Normal" and "Fit in".

So yes. Some people's choice of religion is a product of Mob Mentality.

 

[HashiraMadara]

That's just down to cultural background. Of course you're going to see more people turn out Muslims in a country where the dominant religion is Islam. Cultural Background, how they were raised, ect, is still part of who that person is.

That's why my question is: "WHO CHOSE IT FOR YOU", This question is hidden and 80% directed to the defenders of a religion they never even chose them selves

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

I abandoned religion for the same reason and went to science, HOWEVER instead of helping studying our universe. Science's so called "proofs" have turned into mathematical fantasies where a man sees a possibility of an existence in maths with no counter equation he already sets it as a reality!

There's still no reason to turn to the pages of a thousand year old book written in a desert for answers, at least in my opinion.

 

[HashiraMadara]

That is a product "Mob Mentality" it is a basic function of Human behavior. If you see a Majority of people doing something then you will be MORE LIKELY to do it too. Not for any good reason besides your natural inclination to be "Normal" and "Fit in".

So yes. Some people's choice of religion is a product of Mob Mentality.

My point exactly :sdo:

 

[Deadlift]

Well there are more than those. I'd know, my best friend is a communist. xd

I know, I've had my communist period too xd but I never accused religion of anything, at the light of what happened after Marx's publications

 

[Marin]

I know, I've had my communist period too xd but I never accused religion of anything, at the light of what happened after Marx's publications

You're a fascist. :3

 

[Deadlift]

I abandoned religion for the same reason and went to science, HOWEVER instead of helping studying our universe. Science's so called "proofs" have turned into mathematical fantasies where a man sees a possibility of an existence in maths with no counter equation he already sets it as a reality!

I don't believe there is a conflict between science and religion. It exist a conflict between scientism and fundamentalism, but not every scientist is a materialist and not every religious is a young-earth creationist.
If you don't believe that, I would suggest you to check the works or the debates of the first class apologists.

 

[Deadlift]

You're a fascist. :3

Lmao the past years all my friends told me that, just bcuz I'm a Putin fanboy

 

[HashiraMadara]

There's still no reason to turn to the pages of a thousand year old book written in a desert for answers, at least in my opinion.

There's nothing that angered me more than the multiverse shit! It made me feel powerless, I immediately stopped doing Astrophysics as a major and just do plain simple maths and CS.

why: Because it introduced an era in science where it was no longer experiments but pure mathematics proofs. e.g. The total engery was supposed to be 0 since it all came from "nothing". Yet it's not. Motherf*ckers used multiverse as an excuse that our universe is one of many with different values :|

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Then I'll ask you the simple question: Is this universe the only one

Maybe.

It's a simple answer, the fact of the matter is that no one knows if this is the only universe. Though without any way to confirm the existence or absence of other universes, I just work under the assumption that there aren't any.

Let me ask you a question: Why do you only feel powerless when finding out that there is more than one universe, despite standing on a tiny blue ball orbiting one of the 300,000,000,000 stars in out galaxy, in only one of the 100,000,000,000 galaxies in the known universe?

 

[Trúth]

I quit following my religion earlier this year. It was christianity, and my parents chose it for me of course.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

I was also born into the church.

So i rebelled and I went out to discover if it was the truth for me.
; and discovered that christianity always was and always had been the truth. So like the Prodigal Son i returned.

Everyone has the right to follow their own path. But one things for sure: Christ died and was Resurrected and truly Truly most definitely Loves you.

If you dont believe me then remember i have already said that i ALSO believe eveyone is entitled to believe in what they choose to follow. That is called free will.

 

[HashiraMadara]

I don't believe there is a conflict between science and religion. It exist a conflict between scientism and fundamentalism, but not every scientist is a materialist and not every religious is a young-earth creationist.
If you don't believe that, I would suggest you to check the works or the debates of the first class apologists.

Well that's just too naïve. You're playing the Mr nice guy card :|

Saying there was a Man with power to create all from nothing shatters all scientific beliefs of entropy and thermodynamics. E.g Methuselah lived over a 1000 years(Noah's Great grand father) That's just plain scientifically impossible

 

[Marin]

Well that's just too naïve. You're playing the Mr nice guy card :|

Saying there was a Man with power to create all from nothing shatters all scientific beliefs of entropy and thermodynamics. E.g Methuselah lived over a 1000 years(Noah's Great grand father) That's just plain scientifically impossible

I'm sorry but statements like these render your statement of being well-versed in religion false.

As I said, not all people ascribe to Biblibical literallism nor are all books of the same nature. There are different aproaches to this matter and each one has something going for it.

In the case you're proposing one could simply argue that God is allmighty and can do what we see as impossible.

 

[Deadlift]

Well that's just too naïve. You're playing the Mr nice guy card :|

Saying there was a Man with power to create all from nothing shatters all scientific beliefs of entropy and thermodynamics. E.g Methuselah lived over a 1000 years(Noah's Great grand father) That's just plain scientifically impossible

Science, by definition, studies the ordinary course of the nature. Things like Creation are not ordinary, but both extraordinary and metaphysic.
Exactly as I said, science is a problem only for those who interpret the Bible literally, none today believes Methuselah really lived that long.

If you apply the Law of Lavoisier in a dimension outside the Physics, you're postulating a dogma as well