Obama administration issues guidance on transgender access to school bathrooms

[Tyris]

Re: Transgender Restroom

Lord Jesus



Who cares law is passed <3

so shims & herms can use us normal folk lav's?

Gross.

 

[narutojunky]

Re: Transgender Restroom

This whole debate is about the comfort of less than 1% of the general population. Hypocrisy.

Says the guy who started the dwarf *** debate?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Re: Transgender Restroom

So what's more uncomfortable? A guy who looks like a woman using the men's bathroom or the women's bathroom?

A bathroom isn't a social club. You just go in and out.

People are acting like you're going to meet and greet transgenders in a bathroom.

News flash! They're already using the same bathroom as you. The only difference is that they should be able to use the bathroom they feel comfortable with.

Allowing them to use a certain bathroom isn't going to increase bathroom assaults or start the apocalypse.





Would you be willing to pay more taxes to build those restrooms?

Just collect the tax from them if they want that privilege.

 

[FoxesInWonderland]

Re: Transgender Restroom

The Transgender restroom issue is a distraction.... It was other provisions in the bill that that F's over the people in the state.

Like what?

 

[FoxesInWonderland]

Re: Transgender Restroom

Yeah the bigger picture is that some people have a different gender then their biological one. They look and behave like their gender, and they need to take a shit.

All the other pictures are people who are nervous for no reason about something that has never happened to them or anyone they know, or anyone in America.

There is no bigger picture, it's just culture wars.

Oh, and we don't really need *** based bathrooms in the grown up world.

I've been in restrooms that were large and mixed gender and surprise surprise me and a lady washed hands at a sink together.

Nobody was hurt.

What y'all are talking about are imagined slights to a majority by being "forced" to accommodate a small group of people.

Because they have a different experience of gender y'all are demonizing them for not matching broader images and ideas of what y'all think gender should be.

Biological gender doesn't equate sexual desire.

But Queen Mysterious has it right, you don't have the right to infringe on peoples basic access to public facilities or make them into a second class based on a vague mythos of heteronormativity.

You AND queen mysterious have it all figured out. You guys have unlocked the mysteries of every human and know all the secrets of the universe. Do y'all want some freshly baked cookies from subway?

 

[Avani]

It's not a personal problem when it falls into unjustified discrimination.

You being uncomfortable matters only to you and the world will keep spinning. Unless the act or situation affects on a grander scale than just you, then deal with it.

Just making sure you know it's not about stalls and being able to use one only is it? Transgender refused to use unisex stalls in school.One of their lead spokesperson say he would pee on floor before using a unisex one- it has to a be a female washroom only and also Female locker room/ dressing area.The reason they said that was not just using washroom- they equalizes it being able to mix with women and hide their ID.

And if doesn't end their- if you refuse to sleep with a trans you are cissexist. And you have more slurs coming your way and really vicious attacks, cyber bullying to threats. L esbian women get viciously attacked for refusing to date/sleep with such transwomen and are told they just have a genitalia fetish since you date a person not genitals. Same for the cismen- you are cissexist if you find out during the course of relationship that the other person is trans woman and you refuse further relationship, you are cissexist too. Though probably they are getting less slurs and attacks so far for them to remain oblivious.

It's more interesting seeing so many of these trans supporters are also supporting anti abortion laws - criminalizing the act and sending ciswomen to jail for it, regardless of their circumstances at the same time. Reduce the interest of ciswomen to secondary importance and only as useful as their womb- for everything else you have men.

If it was just limited to stall using and wasn't attacking actual women it would have been nicer. It would also be nicer if women who cannot bear children due to some medical problem are not equated with transwomen and trans supporters do not declare them same as trans. It's really a lowly attack; something such women suffered for centuries in patriarchal society where their status as a woman was demeaned if they failed to bare a child. Now doing exactly the same thing to them if not worse ( though it's kind of worse due to whole legitimization of such arguments among other arguments) in name of trans acceptance is cruel and unfair.

It's less to do with needing a washroom for relieving oneself and more like politics to bring transwomen in center while marginalizing females in feminist movements even.

So what's more uncomfortable? A guy who looks like a woman using the men's bathroom or the women's bathroom?

A bathroom isn't a social club. You just go in and out.

People are acting like you're going to meet and greet transgenders in a bathroom.

News flash! They're already using the same bathroom as you. The only difference is that they should be able to use the bathroom they feel comfortable with.

Allowing them to use a certain bathroom isn't going to increase bathroom assaults or start the apocalypse.





Would you be willing to pay more taxes to build those restrooms?

Typical male who know little about how women use washrooms and who has not paid attention to the fact the locker room and dress changing areas are included. :| Wmen's shelters too. Trans themselves made the demand saying they want to be included in the group and able to mix with real women regardless of their anatomy and biology.

I don't mind anyone using a washroom stall if they are simply in and out. The problem is when they are calling themselves a real woman and competing with us in every field and asking share in already small public sphere women have. All of it while threatening them and using slurs for them. When they make those attacks it's not women in them, it's their habit to enjoy male privileges that comes out.

Can't say I give a shit just as long as it doesn't dig too deep into my pockets and I can still get my yearly return. I mean... I'm already paying a 12% sales tax on literally everything where I live now thanks to the greed and incompetence of worthless politicians, so you can say I'm used to the bullshit the world has to offer.

If you are sending a girl with penis to share women's showers where 18 ciswomen are going to shower then those 18 may demand a new shower room anyway. Unless now we are to care only for needs and feelings of transwomen only.

 

[slimreaper]

Re: Transgender Restroom

It's not about comfort, it's about violating their rights. They have the right to identify with the *** they transitioned to just as much as people have the right to identify as their biological ***.

According to what? I have the right to identify as my biological *** because it's my biological ***. They have the right to identify as their biological *** and nothing more. Show me where in the constitution they're granted this right.

 

[The Work]

It'd be best for all females to learn how to protect themselves because of this ridiculous law.

 

[slimreaper]

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[Uzumaki Macho]

It'd be best for all females to learn how to protect themselves because of this ridiculous law.

Riiight, because we all know that rapists have a strong enough moral code to not go into the wrong bathroom.

 

[Power Bottom]

Riiight, because we all know that rapists have a strong enough moral code to not go into the wrong bathroom.

People are so ugh. The whole rapists issue is annoying. They can do that right now. The law isn't stopping a person from rapping a person

 

[Marin]

Riiight, because we all know that rapists have a strong enough moral code to not go into the wrong bathroom.

People are so ugh. The whole rapists issue is annoying. They can do that right now. The law isn't stopping a person from rapping a person

Except you're missing one thing: chance.

If men were allowed there just like that it's a lot easier to commit the crime. If they were forbbiden you could call the police because, as the name says, its women's bathroom.

Your argument is basically the same as "people kill people anyway, giving them guns changes nothing". It changes the chance to do it. Setting up the boundaries if you will.

 

[Power Bottom]

Except you're missing one thing: chance.

If men were allowed there just like that it's a lot easier to commit the crime. If they were forbbiden you could call the police because, as the name says, its women's bathroom.

Your argument is basically the same as "people kill people anyway, giving them guns changes nothing". It changes the chance to do it. Setting up the boundaries if you will.

The difference is they aren't women. Saying a man putting on a wig to take advantage

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and going to bathroom =/= transgendered woman going to the bathroom to use the bathroom. Stop comparing them and making the worst scenario out of things

 

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[Marin]

The difference is they aren't women.

Who isnt a woman? What are you reffering to?

Saying a man putting on a wig to take advantage

and going to bathroom =/= transgendered woman going to the bathroom to use the bathroom. Stop comparing them and making the worst scenario out of things

Completely missed the point. I'm not comparing trannies to anyone. I'm simply pointing out why the posts you're ridiculing are laying out a valid point by raising attention to an obvious exploit of the holes in the law.

Instead of bringing anything to counter the argument you insist that we stop thinking about it.

"Making worst case scenarios"

 

[Power Bottom]

Who isnt a woman? What are you reffering to?



Completely missed the point. I'm not comparing trannies to anyone. I'm simply pointing out why the posts you're ridiculing are laying out a valid point by raising attention to an obvious exploit of the holes in the law.

Instead of bringing anything to counter the argument you insist that we stop thinking about it.

"Making worst case scenarios"

You have no argument it is a repetitive question. You are saying transgenders shouldn't be given a right becasuse a person will rape someone. What is stopping them from doing that now? This is just like women shouldn't be allowed to wear certain clothes because a person will rape them. You do realize regardless of laws and regulations people are going to do what they want that's reality. Not giving a group of people rights because you feel uncomfortable and negative situations that already happen like really? These arguments have always been used in the past to discrimante on. I given a example on page 3/2.


It is the worst scenario because that's all you bring to the table to stop something good from happening. We might as well not let refugees in countries because the worst scenario is one of them is a terriost

 

[Lightbringer]

Typical male who know little about how women use washrooms and who has not paid attention to the fact the locker room and dress changing areas are included. :| Wmen's shelters too. Trans themselves made the demand saying they want to be included in the group and able to mix with real women regardless of their anatomy and biology.

I don't mind anyone using a washroom stall if they are simply in and out. The problem is when they are calling themselves a real woman and competing with us in every field and asking share in already small public sphere women have. All of it while threatening them and using slurs for them. When they make those attacks it's not women in them, it's their habit to enjoy male privileges that comes out.

@Bold And that is typical nonsense.

There is a thing called a *** change where they get modifications to their bodies to make themselves look and be like females.

These people get stigmatized more so than perhaps any other sort of individual.

You're acting like every Transgender is like Caitlyn Jenner, which they aren't.

Also, you've completely missed my point about how Transgenders already use THE SAME BATHROOM AS YOU! How do you not get this?

 

[Marin]

You have no argument it is a repetitive question.

Actually, I'm not representing myself here and am simply stating that your objection to the simple observations of a very very probable scenario is flawed as you're ignoring the key-factor here and that is the probability of the offender to sucesfully pull the crime off - chance.

You saying that I have no argument really makes no sense. Even more so when you say that on the basis of it being repetitive.

You are saying transgenders shouldn't be given a right becasuse a person will rape someone.

Completely missed the point. Again. I never said anything about equal right. As I said two times already, I'm simply pointing out why the people you're dissing are bringing out a legitimate point. Nothing more, nothing less. On what language should I say it?

What is stopping them from doing that now?

As I said, if a person isn't allowed acess to the wrong bathroom, entering it would be an instant invasion of other people's privacy, thus resulting in a criminal offence. Stopping the crime before it happens by sanctioning that which would serve as a stepping stone for it. As I said, putting up boundaries.

This is just like women shouldn't be allowed to wear certain clothes because a person will rape them.

Not really. It would be like that had I said something like: "women shouldn't use the restroom because a man may rape them". In order for these scenarios to be comparable, you'd have to restrict a victim's right for the sake of the offender. Thankfully, the scenario that we're discussing is restricting the rights of the offender for the sake of the victim. Therefore: "A man shouldn't be allowed in a women's bathroom"

Clearer now?

You do realize regardless of laws and regulations people are going to do what they want that's reality.

Umm yeah, that's kinda what makes an act a crime - going against the law. The point is to make the crime as hard as possible to pull off.

Not giving a group of people rights because you feel uncomfortable and negative situations that already happen like really? These arguments have always been used in the past to discrimante on. I given a example on page 3/2.

Again, that's not what I'm saying. Stop putting words in my mouth.

It is the worst scenario because that's all you bring to the table to stop something good from happening. We might as well not let refugees in countries because the worst scenario is one of them is a terriost

Wether or not it is a worst case scenario is completely unrelated to how repetetive it is. Regardless, if the worst case scenario has more than a good probability of happening then we have every right to put it on the table. Even if it didn't have a big probability it should still be put on the table as to prevent it. Though it seems some people would rather put all the problems under a carpet rather than making them transparent...

 

[Power Bottom]

Actually, I'm not representing myself here and am simply stating that your objection to the simple observations of a very very probable scenario is flawed as you're ignoring the key-factor here and that is the probability of the offender to sucesfully pull the crime off - chance.

You saying that I have no argument really makes no sense. Even more so when you say that on the basis of it being repetitive.



Completely missed the point. Again. I never said anything about equal right. As I said two times already, I'm simply pointing out why the people you're dissing are bringing out a legitimate point. Nothing more, nothing less. On what language should I say it?



As I said, if a person isn't allowed acess to the wrong bathroom, entering it would be an instant invasion of other people's privacy, thus resulting in a criminal offence. Stopping the crime before it happens by sanctioning that which would serve as a stepping stone for it. As I said, putting up boundaries.



Not really. It would be like that had I said something like: "women shouldn't use the restroom because a man may rape them". In order for these scenarios to be comparable, you'd have to restrict a victim's right for the sake of the offender. Thankfully, the scenario that we're discussing is restricting the rights of the offender for the sake of the victim. Therefore: "A man shouldn't be allowed in a women's bathroom"

Clearer now?



Umm yeah, that's kinda what makes an act a crime - going against the law. The point is to make the crime as hard as possible to pull off.



Again, that's not what I'm saying. Stop putting words in my mouth.



Wether or not it is a worst case scenario is completely unrelated to how repetetive it is. Regardless, if the worst case scenario has more than a good probability of happening then we have every right to put it on the table. Even if it didn't have a big probability it should still be put on the table as to prevent it. Though it seems some people would rather put all the problems under a carpet rather than making them transparent...

Like I said it is a repetitive argument people use.

Completely missed the point. Again. I never said anything about equal right. As I said two times already, I'm simply pointing out why the people you're dissing are bringing out a legitimate point. Nothing more, nothing less. On what language should I say it?

I'm not dissing anyone. Like I said saying transgenderes shouldn't be given a right because of a rapist is retarded. So many things should be limited than

As I said, if a person isn't allowed acess to the wrong bathroom, entering it would be an instant invasion of other people's privacy, thus resulting in a criminal offence. Stopping the crime before it happens by sanctioning that which would serve as a stepping stone for it. As I said, putting up boundaries.

Transgendered women =/= men. What about pedophiles who go in bathrooms and take advantage of people. Where are those limitations? The whole issue is repetitive. If you don't allow transgenders to use a bathroom because a rapist can go in there. Than anything positive that may have a negative secanrio should not be allowed. No one is concerned about pedophiles going in the bathroom with a kid but trans genders seem to be such a heated conversation for no reason. Should there be a adult bathroom and a kids bathroom to stop child molestation in these same bathrooms?


Lord Jesus Lol

Umm yeah, that's kinda what makes an act a crime - going against the law. The point is to make the crime as hard as possible to pull off.

-_- lmfao they can do that right now. Your argument is repetitive. You are basically saying limit a good person rights because a stupid criminal.

I guess she has to use the male bathroom because you are uncomfortable

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And the probability isn't higher than what it is now. I don't see what is the point of me debating with you when you quoted me. It is happening, If you don't like it move to Russia

 

[Made in Heaven]

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