[Discussion] Strongest person these people can defeat

[Simpleatitsbest]

Nothing suggest he was stronger than Wadamafatguy.


OH BOY I'M GENUINELY EXCITED SOMEONE BROUGHT BACK THE HIGHEST EXECUTIVE ARGUMENT.

Highest executive is not a title that refers to Pica solely, but refers collectively to the Four Seats of the Donquixote Pirates.

Here Leo confirms that there are 10 Officers in the Donquixote Pirates, with the Heart Seat members being the Elite Officers and Vergo being a former Elite Officer. Highest Executive is synonymous with Elite Officer, the title shared by all four.

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Also note that the title of the chapter is Chief Officer Pica in the much more reliable *********** and in the official Viz chapter, it's apparently simply "Executive Officer Pica."

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Fair point about the title, that was only an addon as I noticed it as I went to cross of that tab, but in my opinion and also by portral, Pica was the strongest. People hype so much about the gura gura fruit for years and to be honest, I never saw the advantageous sides of it in a fight, sure it has destructive power but it's almost a double edged sword, you create a tsunami and that same tsunami takes you out? At least Pica's fruit concretely changed everything about the fight with Zoro, he was outmatched from the get go but how long it took Zoro to take him out.. Diamante has a cool ability but I don't think he was particularly strong himself, same goes for snot-nose, once we realised his fruit affinity, he was easy to deal with.

And as to the page you included with Leo, he pretty much just mentions that there's 10 officers with 3 of them being higher than the rest, each with their own uniqueness. He doesn't mention anything in terms of strength so that pages relevance goes to null.

EDIT: Oh, any you're right, nothing is suggested about fatso being stronger than an assassin, but then let me ask you this, who do you think would win in a fight between them both? Personally think its a no brainer.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Sanji--------Killer/Urouge/Capone(depends on who is stronger)
Luffy--------Law G4 Luffy-----Doflamingo
Zoro--------Sanji
Law--------G2/G3 Luffy
Doffy-------Sabo
Sabo-------Jozu
Ace--------Zoro/Kuma/Iva
Ivankov----Law/Luffy
Croc-------Smoker
Kuma-------Killer

Pretty much second this. Doffy might be able to beat some of the calamities.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Sanji->
Luffy->Jack
Zoro->
Law->Doffy
Doffy->way above vice below admiral
Sabo->Admiral
Ace->Vergo
Ivankov->
Croc->above vice below admiral
Kuma->Mihawk

The blank ones I'm not sure about.

By far the worst list I've ever seen........even battle junkies won't comprehend how bad this list is......I purposely fried my brain cells in a microwave to understand the reasoning behind the list but it didn't work...that is how bad this list is.......

 

[Bogard]

Sanji--------Pica? Smoker?
Luffy--------Kid? Vista?
Zoro--------Between Law and Drake, not sure
Law--------Between Zoro and Drake, not sure
Doffy-------Dressrosa Sabo maybe, but i think Sabo already surpassed him
Sabo-------Doflamingo
Ace--------Kid maybe
Ivankov----Maybe Urouge
Croc-------Pacifista?
Kuma-------Ivankov?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Proof that the sound effects of him fixing his organs uses a "curl" sfx while the craking noise came from his fingers along with the smoke. Stop pulling shit out of your ass, you can hardly made a case to argue. My last post completely debunked everything you just made up.

There's no such thing as "Curl" sfx. When a text-bubble is coming from an object, it's either a sfx or it's meant to describe its motion. And example of both can be seen here.

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In the top wide panel, there is a "Ba-dum" SFX coming from the heart. In the fourth panel, the text bubble next to it says "Jam." One is a sound effect, and the other is a verb that the object in question is involved with, with the sound effect being ba-dum and the verb being "Jam." The Sound effect didn't change from "Ba-dum" to "Jam."
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The same way "Jam in, Twist, Glare, Spin, and Toss" aren't sound effects, the text bubble that says "Stitch" below isn't a sound effect, but an action indicator. The "Stitch"(or curl as in your panel) bubble indicates what the strings are doing, not what they sound like. The "Zuzu" sound effect IS what they sound like.

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[Uzumaki Macho]

There's no such thing as "Curl" sfx. When a text-bubble is coming from an object, it's either a sfx or it's meant to describe its motion. And example of both can be seen here.

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In the top wide panel, there is a "Ba-dum" SFX coming from the heart. In the fourth panel, the text bubble next to it says "Jam." One is a sound effect, and the other is a verb that the object in question is involved with, with the sound effect being ba-dum and the verb being "Jam." The Sound effect didn't change from "Ba-dum" to "Jam."
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The same way "Jam in, Twist, Glare, Spin, and Toss" aren't sound effects, the text bubble that says "Stitch" below isn't a sound effect, but an action indicator. The "Stitch"(or curl as in your panel) bubble indicates what the strings are doing, not what they sound like. The "Zuzu" sound effect IS what they sound like.

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How did you remember all those sfx bubbles?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

By far the worst list I've ever seen........even battle junkies won't comprehend how bad this list is......I purposely fried my brain cells in a microwave to understand the reasoning behind the list but it didn't work...that is how bad this list is.......

Coming from the idiot that has kuma for Killer and crocodile for smoker despite Doffy knowing himself that it is impossible.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

There's no such thing as "Curl" sfx. When a text-bubble is coming from an object, it's either a sfx or it's meant to describe its motion. And example of both can be seen here.

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In the top wide panel, there is a "Ba-dum" SFX coming from the heart. In the fourth panel, the text bubble next to it says "Jam." One is a sound effect, and the other is a verb that the object in question is involved with, with the sound effect being ba-dum and the verb being "Jam." The Sound effect didn't change from "Ba-dum" to "Jam."
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The same way "Jam in, Twist, Glare, Spin, and Toss" aren't sound effects, the text bubble that says "Stitch" below isn't a sound effect, but an action indicator. The "Stitch"(or curl as in your panel) bubble indicates what the strings are doing, not what they sound like. The "Zuzu" sound effect IS what they sound like.

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This just debunked all the shit you just posted now.

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In fact here is the whole thing.

not what happened at all. You're watching too much filler inbewteen fights in the anime.
1. When Doflamingo was stitching up his organs, he does not place is hand near his stomach and it doesn't smoke either

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2. When fixing his organs you can see the sfx make a "curl" noise and not "cracking" noise. crack noise comes from something with a bone structure, not an organ such as your stomach.

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[Punk Hazard]

How did you remember all those sfx bubbles?

I didn't. Oda does it ALL the time. I just clicked through random chapters( only one I remembered, for some reason, that Luffy's sandals said "toss") and saw tons of them and just picked a few that stood out.

This just debunked all the shit you just posted now.

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Just goes to show you didn't read a thing I posted. "Curl" wasn't a sound effect. Unless of course you also count "Spin, toss, and glare" as sounds. And if you count "Jam" as a sound, then you'd be conceding that the heart Law was holding changed its sound effect from "Ba-dum" to "Jam." Which would show that it's possible for Doffy's stitching to change from "Stitch" to "Zuzu." Either way, you lose.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I didn't. Oda does it ALL the time. I just clicked through random chapters( only one I remembered, for some reason, that Luffy's sandals said "toss") and saw tons of them and just picked a few that stood out.


Just goes to show you didn't read a thing I posted. "Curl" wasn't a sound effect. Unless of course you also count "Spin, toss, and glare" as sounds. And if you count "Jam" as a sound, then you'd be conceding that the heart Law was holding changed its sound effect from "Ba-dum" to "Jam." Which would show that it's possible for Doffy's stitching to change from "Stitch" to "Zuzu." Either way, you lose.

What did I exactly lose? Your arguing basically arguing the onomatopoeia for "pow," not correlating to "punch." The curling is what is taking action in doflamingo's organs to better describe the verb (fixing organs) with actual English.
Now say you with that cracking "noise" that you tried to justify as sfx prior to this thread. I'll pull up ever thing you posted I already got it saved. Because if your trying to argue that the "curl" wasn't suppose to be for his organs than the cracking you argued earlier is futile as well.

 

[Punk Hazard]

What did I exactly lose? Your arguing basically arguing the onomatopoeia for "pow," not correlating to "punch."

You're right, how silly of me to say that adjectives are different from verbs.

The curling is what is taking action in doflamingo's organs to better describe the verb (fixing organs) with actual English.

Exactly. The "stitch" bubble isn't a sound, it describes what the strings are doing. When Doflamingo does it again, Oda indicates it with the sound "Zuzu" because he's already described it's action. You just conceded right here that the "Curl"/"Stitch" bubble was not the sound of the strings, but Oda explaining to the audience what the strings were doing. Once Oda explained, there would be no need to write "Stitch" again because by that point, we'll know what's happening, hence why Oda just went with "Zuzu" the second time.

Now say you with that cracking "noise" that you tried to justify as sfx prior to this thread.

Cracking sound was either his fingers or his bones being pulled back together to be reattached.

I'll pull up ever thing you posted I already got it saved.

Okay?

Because if your trying to argue that the "curl" wasn't suppose to be for his organs than the cracking you argued earlier is futile as well.

The "Stitch" was meant to show his organs were being stitched back together by threads. Nothing to argue about that.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You're right, how silly of me to say that adjectives are different from verbs.

Becausing "cracking-noise" or "curling-noise" is foreign to you?

Exactly. The "stitch" bubble isn't a sound, it describes what the strings are doing. When Doflamingo does it again, Oda indicates it with the sound "Zuzu" because he's already described it's action. You just conceded right here that the "Curl"/"Stitch" bubble was not the sound of the strings, but Oda explaining to the audience what the strings were doing. Once Oda explained, there would be no need to write "Stitch" again because by that point, we'll know what's happening, hence why Oda just went with "Zuzu" the second time.

You can look above for this one.

Cracking sound was either his fingers or his bones being pulled back together to be reattached.

That's not what you said the last time.

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Cracking sound was either his fingers or his bones being pulled back together to be reattached.

It just come to show that you don't know what you're talking about anymore. First you said the cracking noise came from organs, then you changed it back to his fingers (like I said), and now denying the curling noise comes from his organs.

The "Stitch" was meant to show his organs were being stitched back together by threads. Nothing to argue about that.

Sure it was. I bet this'll change too.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Becausing "cracking-noise" or "curling-noise" is foreign to you?

There's no "curling noise." The bubble isn't meant to indicate the sound the strings are making, it indicates what they are doing. Same as the "Toss" bubble next to Luffy's sandals. Or the "Twist" bubble next to Burgess' arm. Or the "Spin" bubble next to Luffy's body. There's no toss or twist or spin or glare noises.

That's not what you said the last time.

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You do realized that interpretations of the manga can change overtime, right?

It just come to show that you don't know what you're talking about anymore.

It actually goes to show that someone can re-read a chapter and realize that what's going on is different from what he initially thought. Doesn't matter what I said last time, all that matters is the argument I'm presenting now.

First you said the cracking noise came from organs

I was wrong when I said that. That makes me wrong now?

then you changed it back to his fingers (like I said), and now denying the curling noise comes from his organs.

The actual translation is "Stitch," not "Curl."

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I doubt that Doffy was restitching his organs. If he had to after Leo Bazooka, then he would have needed to do the same thing after KKG (he completely restored his organs by then and didn't need the stitches anymore).

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

There's no "curling noise." The bubble isn't meant to indicate the sound the strings are making, it indicates what they are doing. Same as the "Toss" bubble next to Luffy's sandals. Or the "Twist" bubble next to Burgess' arm. Or the "Spin" bubble next to Luffy's body. There's no toss or twist or spin or glare noises.

Those were curling-noises, just like the cracking on doflamingo's fingers. Doflamingo was already explaining that he was stitching up his wounds on the top panel, it would be pointless to repeat the same thing on the context bubble pointing to Doffy's organs bottom left of the panel.

You do realized that interpretations of the manga can change overtime, right?

Lmao what the fuck? Your interpretation changed overtime after you realized you were wrong. Even LBreezy was correcting you that you were the only one that differ. Don't ask such vague and dumb question again. You knew what happened. We all said that the bones was cracking from the finger.

It actually goes to show that someone can re-read a chapter and realize that what's going on is different from what he initially thought. Doesn't matter what I said last time, all that matters is the argument I'm presenting now.

I remember thinking the same thing after you argued that the cracking noise came from the organs instead of doffy's fingers. I'll wait for this one too.

I was wrong when I said that. That makes me wrong now?

Well no shit sherlock.

The actual translation is "Stitch," not "Curl."

I have curling in my page and you have stitching in your page. Don't give corrections about different translation pages. You have a problem with it, go tell the people that translated it not me :|

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Coming from the idiot that has kuma for Killer and crocodile for smoker despite Doffy knowing himself that it is impossible.

I fried my brain in a microwave yet I still have more brain cells than you...how is that even possible?

How did you read my post backwards? Isn't the basics of reading words right to left? I said Kuma beats Killer and that Croc beats Smoker. Calling you an idiot is an understatement.

In this situation, it is very appropriate for me to say this: Learn to read.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I doubt that Doffy was restitching his organs. If he had to after Leo Bazooka, then he would have needed to do the same thing after KKG (he completely restored his organs by then and didn't need the stitches anymore).

He couldn't do it after KKG because it knocked him out. Also, don't forget that it wasn't JUST Leo Bazooka that hit Doflamingo, but an entire Gear 4 assault. It's not like if Luffy hit Doflamingo with Leo Bazooka right out of the gate, he would have been incapacitated.

What else would the zuzu sound be referring to? How Doffy is alive after the KKG is a bit of a plothole.

Those were curling-noises, just like the cracking on doflamingo's fingers.

We're going in circles here. I suppose you think that Law had a glaring noise. And Burgess' arm had a twisting noise. And Luffy's sandals had a tossing noise too hm.

Doflamingo was already explaining that he was stitching up his wounds on the top panel, it would be pointless to repeat the same thing on the context bubble pointing to Doffy's organs bottom left of the panel.

And yet that's what Oda did anyways, in both the panel of Doffy stitching his organs and the group of panels I provided before.

Lmao what the fuck? Your interpretation changed overtime after you realized you were wrong.

Was this supposed to mean something? I read the manga and interpreted it one way, then read it again and noticed something I hadn't before, so my interpretation changed. Idk why you're trying to pass this off as an insult.

Even LBreezy was correcting you that you were the only one that differ. Don't ask such vague and dumb question again. You knew what happened. We all said that the bones was cracking from the finger.

...Okay? So what?

I remember thinking the same thing after you argued that the cracking noise came from the organs instead of doffy's fingers. I'll wait for this one too.

What...are you waiting for? I said already that that interpretation was wrong and that it was more than likely either coming from his bones or his fingers. Focus on what is being said to you now.

Well no shit sherlock.

And this just further shows your lack of ability to debate. You're arguing against an interpretation that I had in the past and thinking that means you're debunking the interpretation I have in the present. I'm pretty sure there's a name for this fallacy.

I have curling in my page and you have stitching in your page. Don't give corrections about different translation pages. You have a problem with it, go tell the people that translated it not me :|

MangaPanda is notable for having mistranslations that are so egregious, it isn't credible in this section.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I fried my brain in a microwave yet I still have more brain cells than you...how is that even possible?

How did you read my post backwards? Isn't the basics of reading words right to left? I said Kuma beats Killer and that Croc beats Smoker. Calling you an idiot is an understatement.

In this situation, it is very appropriate for me to say this: Learn to read.

This thread is about the strongest person that can beat. How stupid can you be? Killer and Smoker shouldn't even be mentioned on this list you dullard. Go back and fry your brain some more and when there's only cerebrospinal fluids left, nuke it some more to erase any traces of primal intellect to hide your pathetic shame.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

And yet that's what Oda did anyways, in both the panel of Doffy stitching his organs and the group of panels I provided before.

Besides the stubbornness to read anything I just said. I'll just kill the root of all the gibberish you just posted.

The bold part, Oda did not. All those glares, twist, and tossing that was done throughout the arc did not have a context to them prior to the action. Which is different from the curling noise doffy's organs went through. Doffy explained his actions and the organs presented the name of the noise through a context bubble. Luffy didn't say "I'm gonna toss my shoes now!" And followed by a "tossing noise," completely different.

 

[TheHokage]

Sanji - (Hancock) considering he could hit women.
Luffy - Marco
Zoro - Vergo
Law - Jimbei
Doffy - (Gear 2 & 3 Luffy)
Sabo - Doffy
Ace - Sanji
Ivankov - Kuma
Croc - Lucci (pre-timeskip lol)
Kuma - Ivankov (could go either way to be fair)