[Discussion] Strongest person these people can defeat

[Uzumaki Macho]

Lmao this dumbass. What part of "can," did you not read from OP? I'm not gonna explain anything to you because i know how much of a stubborn idiot you are so I'd rather elaborate to someone else.

Lol you're much more stubborn than I am. You refused to admit that Burgess wasn't BB's first mate/second strongest BB Pirate even though Burgess got fodderized by Sabo. None of those guys can beat the people you listed. Seriouly, how can Law possibly beat DD when he got mid diffed by him? How can Luffy beat Jack when Luffy is at best equal to DD while Jack has been portrayed to be stronger than DD? How can Sabo beat an admiral when Fujitora was mid diffing him? How can Kuma possibly beat Mihawk, a Yonko level character, when Kuma isn't even the 2nd strongest Revolutionary?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Because your in a position to talk. Your list is garbage.

I mean, how can I argue with rhetoric like this.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Lol you're much more stubborn than I am. You refused to admit that Burgess wasn't BB's first mate/second strongest BB Pirate even though Burgess got fodderized by Sabo. None of those guys can beat the people you listed. Seriouly, how can Law possibly beat DD when he got mid diffed by him? How can Luffy beat Jack when Luffy is at best equal to DD while Jack has been portrayed to be stronger than DD? How can Sabo beat an admiral when Fujitora was mid diffing him? How can Kuma possibly beat Mihawk, a Yonko level character, when Kuma isn't even the 2nd strongest Revolutionary?

These are possibilities regarding the situation at hand weighing the ratios between two individuals on how many times they win or lose despite the deficit number they need for the majority. And your Blackbeard case of who's the strongest or not, I used the most rational way of determining the strongest based off the number rankings.

1. So your argument on Shiliew being the strongest?
-Subjective, baseless, hold no grounds on who's actually the strongest because you have no proof.
2. Blackbeard following Whitebeards commander logic?
-Also subjective, baseless, and a huge assumption that you feel is correct without any objective reasoning whatsoever. Then we have Jack, who also has the same rank as Burguess. So know one really knows how each yonkou ranks his crew members but the most common is by number rankings.

Don't get it twisted either, your as stubborn as Riker and this section of the base is the only thing you got going for you. If I see something stupid or opinionated, I don't go out of my way to correct everyone with believes that aren't even factual. I'm not gonna repeat myself again, I'm not telling someone as stubborn as you.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I mean, how can I argue with rhetoric like this.

And yet here you are trying to answer a rhetorical question with a question. Even without an answer, you still try to find ways to subjugate your response. Why don't you finish other thread about doffy and his healing before you try this one.

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Here, finish up big boy

 

[ToshiZO]

Strongest persons Luffy and Zoro could beat are Law and Sanji? What a joke.

Who does Luffy beat stronger than Law? Please don't say Zoro because that means nothing, Law and Zoro are around the same level even if you believe Zoro is stronger...so it doesn't make much of a difference. There would no point in calling it a joke if this were the case, so Im just curious who you think Luffy beats from characters with actual feats.


@OP
Luffy = Law
Law = Luffy
Zoro = Some top 4-5 supernova
Sanji = Smoker?
Doflamingo = Sabo
Sabo = Jozu
Ace = Luffy
Ivankov = ?
Croc = ?
Kuma = ?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

These are possibilities regarding the situation at hand weighing the ratios between two individuals on how many times they win or lose despite the deficit number they need for the majority. And your Blackbeard case of who's the strongest or not, I used the most rational way of determining the strongest based off the number rankings.

1. So your argument on Shiliew being the strongest?
-Subjective, baseless, hold no grounds on who's actually the strongest because you have no proof.
2. Blackbeard following Whitebeards commander logic?
-Also subjective, baseless, and a huge assumption that you feel is correct without any objective reasoning whatsoever. Then we have Jack, who also has the same rank as Burguess. So know one really knows how each yonkou ranks his crew members but the most common is by number rankings.

Don't get it twisted either, your as stubborn as Riker and this section of the base is the only thing you got going for you. If I see something stupid or opinionated, I don't go out of my way to correct everyone with believes that aren't even factual. I'm not gonna repeat myself again, I'm not telling someone as stubborn as you.

For most of the ones you listed, that character has no chance of beating the one you listed. For example, Law got low-mid diffed by DD, so he has no chance of winning, same with Sabo and an admiral. Kuma is so far behind Mihawk in terms of strength. Idk how you expect someone who isn't even strong enough to be the No. 2 of the RA to beat a Yonko level character. Luffy's chances of beating Jack are very slim.


1. Shiliew has the most evidence for being the strongest BB subordinate. Pre-TS Shiliew is actually stronger than Burgess by feats. Shiliew is also the only swordsman, so he will obviously be the one to fight Zoro, which makes Shiliew the 2nd strongest since Zoro is obviously going to fight the 2nd strongest BB Pirate. Burgess got low diffed by Sabo dude, so how can you possibly expect him to be the second strongest?

2. I never said BB follows the structure of the WB Pirates. You're the one who's actually making assumptions since you assume that being 1st division commander = first mate. Since when do Jack and Burgess have the same rank.

 

[Punk Hazard]

And yet here you are trying to answer a rhetorical question with a question. Even without an answer, you still try to find ways to subjugate your response. Why don't you finish other thread about doffy and his healing before you try this one.

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Here, finish up big boy

Finish up what? The proof is in the sound effects coming from his stomach that something was happening internally. Sure the smoke might not be an indicator of that happeneing, but the sound effects are. There's nothing left to debate about there.

Instead of trying to look snippy, actually make an argument.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Who does Luffy beat stronger than Law? Please don't say Zoro because that means nothing, Law and Zoro are around the same level even if you believe Zoro is stronger...so it doesn't make much of a difference. There would no point in calling it a joke if this were the case, so Im just curious who you think Luffy beats from characters with actual feats.


@OP
Luffy = Law
Law = Luffy
Zoro = Some top 4-5 supernova
Sanji = Smoker?
Doflamingo = Sabo
Sabo = Jozu
Ace = Luffy
Ivankov = ?
Croc = ?
Kuma = ?

I don't see how Ace can beat Luffy. Luffy has, by feats, better offense, defense, Haki, and speed. Luffy also has better portrayal since he is portrayed to be Yonko 2nd mate level since he gave DD a high-extreme diff fight and has only improved since then, while Ace was the 5th strongest WB Pirate, after WB, Marco, Jozu, and Vista. I think the SH that Ace is closest to is Sanji tbh.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Finish up what? The proof is in the sound effects coming from his stomach that something was happening internally. Sure the smoke might not be an indicator of that happeneing, but the sound effects are. There's nothing left to debate about there.

Instead of trying to look snippy, actually make an argument.

Proof that the sound effects of him fixing his organs uses a "curl" sfx while the craking noise came from his fingers along with the smoke. Stop pulling shit out of your ass, you can hardly made a case to argue. My last post completely debunked everything you just made up.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

For most of the ones you listed, that character has no chance of beating the one you listed. For example, Law got low-mid diffed by DD, so he has no chance of winning, same with Sabo and an admiral. Kuma is so far behind Mihawk in terms of strength. Idk how you expect someone who isn't even strong enough to be the No. 2 of the RA to beat a Yonko level character. Luffy's chances of beating Jack are very slim.

Opinionated

1. Shiliew has the most evidence for being the strongest BB subordinate. Pre-TS Shiliew is actually stronger than Burgess by feats. Shiliew is also the only swordsman, so he will obviously be the one to fight Zoro, which makes Shiliew the 2nd strongest since Zoro is obviously going to fight the 2nd strongest BB Pirate. Burgess got low diffed by Sabo dude, so how can you possibly expect him to be the second strongest?

Opinionated. Baseless assumption and scatterbrain logic

2. I never said BB follows the structure of the WB Pirates. You're the one who's actually making assumptions since you assume that being 1st division commander = first mate. Since when do Jack and Burgess have the same rank.

Only WB is the confirmed pirate not to follow this order. So you are speculating that BB follows WB's structure.
Everything I'm reading here has nothing Oda written down in his manga.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Lol wtf is this shit. How does Luffy beat Jack? How does Law beat Doflamingo? How does Sabo beat an admiral? How does Kuma beat Mihawk?

Your not only one bruh

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Opinionated


Opinionated. Baseless assumption and scatterbrain logic

Only WB is the confirmed pirate not to follow this order. So you are speculating that BB follows WB's structure.
Everything I'm reading here has nothing Oda written down in his manga.

What the **** is this? How is stating that Law can't beat a guy who low-mid diffed him opinionated? That's a fact, whether you like it or not.
Burgess being too weak to be FM is a fact. Burgess isn't the FM if he got low diffed by a Yonko FM level fighter. What pirate crew has a structure where divison number corresponds to authority? You have gone from making baseless assumptions to just blatantly lieing because you're too stubborn to admit you're wrong.

 

[ToshiZO]

I don't see how Ace can beat Luffy. Luffy has, by feats, better offense, defense, Haki, and speed. Luffy also has better portrayal since he is portrayed to be Yonko 2nd mate level since he gave DD a high-extreme diff fight and has only improved since then, while Ace was the 5th strongest WB Pirate, after WB, Marco, Jozu, and Vista. I think the SH that Ace is closest to is Sanji tbh.

I see a whole lot of opinions being passed off as facts in this post.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I see a whole lot of opinions being passed off as facts in this post.

It is a fact that Luffy has better offense, defense, haki, and speed. Everything else was opinions that are strongly supported by the manga.

 

[ToshiZO]

It is a fact that Luffy has better offense, defense, haki, and speed. Everything else was opinions that are strongly supported by the manga.

These are iffy. I still see some opinions.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

These are iffy. I still see some opinions.

Luffy definitely has better offense, defense, and speed. The only one that is somewhat debatable is offense, but Luffy has much better offense feats than Ace, who's best attack was town/small city level. It was very heavily implied that Marco, Jozu, and Vista are stronger than Ace since they are the only WB commanders to actually provide a challenge to top tiers. The last part of that post is debatable though. I base my opinion of Ace~Sanji on the fact that Luffy gave Doffy an extreme diff fight. Because of that, I place Luffy at Yonko 2nd mate (Jozu) level, and then I place Zoro one level below Luffy at Yonko 3rd mate (Vista) level. Sanji is then at Yonko 4th mate (Ace) level. If you think that Jozu/Vista or Vista/Ace are on the same level, I can see why you disagree with this.

 

[ToshiZO]

Luffy definitely has better offense, defense, and speed. The only one that is somewhat debatable is offense, but Luffy has much better offense feats than Ace, who's best attack was town/small city level. It was very heavily implied that Marco, Jozu, and Vista are stronger than Ace since they are the only WB commanders to actually provide a challenge to top tiers. The last part of that post is debatable though. I base my opinion of Ace~Sanji on the fact that Luffy gave Doffy an extreme diff fight. Because of that, I place Luffy at Yonko 2nd mate (Jozu) level, and then I place Zoro one level below Luffy at Yonko 3rd mate (Vista) level. Sanji is then at Yonko 4th mate (Ace) level. If you think that Jozu/Vista or Vista/Ace are on the same level, I can see why you disagree with this.

Nothing implies Vista > Ace. Don't even get me started on Vista's overrated ass.

By speed what do you mean? There is attack speed, reaction speed, movement speed, attack rate etc. How is it a fact Luffy is overall faster than Ace?

By Defense, do you mean, endurance? Or Durability? Or do you mean simply defending against incoming attacks? Again, its not a fact Luffy is better here.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Nothing implies Vista > Ace. Don't even get me started on Vista's overrated ass.

By speed what do you mean? There is attack speed, reaction speed, movement speed, attack rate etc. How is it a fact Luffy is overall faster than Ace?

By Defense, do you mean, endurance? Or Durability? Or do you mean simply defending against incoming attacks? Again, its not a fact Luffy is better here.

How strong do you think Vista is? Oda portrayed him to be in WB's Top 3. Luffy is better at all the versions of speed you listed based on feats. Ace's neck was almost broken by some ordinary punch from Yami BB, so Luffy has much better durability. Endurance is debatable, but it won't really matter once Luffy goes Gear 4. If an ordinary punch from Yami BB almost broke Ace's neck, then imagine what G4 would do to Ace. Honestly, a Leo Bazooka will probably be enough to break Ace's neck and therefore kill him.

 

[ToshiZO]

How strong do you think Vista is? Oda portrayed him to be in WB's Top 3. Luffy is better at all the versions of speed you listed based on feats. Ace's neck was almost broken by some ordinary punch from Yami BB, so Luffy has much better durability. Endurance is debatable, but it won't really matter once Luffy goes Gear 4. If an ordinary punch from Yami BB almost broke Ace's neck, then imagine what G4 would do to Ace. Honestly, a Leo Bazooka will probably be enough to break Ace's neck and therefore kill him.

Teach was the same guy who could have been a top commander before he even had a DF, same guy who Shanks was wary of since he recieved scars from him before he recieved his DF. I'm fairly confident a punch from BB is no joke, he can quite possibly be one of the physically strongest characters in the show.

I think Vista is around Ace's level. Oda never portrayed him as WB's top 3. Don't know where you got that from.

Oda portrayed him as WB's top 3 with Ace unable to fight? Yes.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Sanji - killer? I doubt it but sanji is a boss
Luffy - Vergo
Zoro - Killer
Law - Luffy
Doffy - Luffy and Law
Sabo - a low tiered Admiral
Ace - Jinbei
Ivankov - barto
Croc - Smoker
Kuma - Doffy