Is Itachi's Tsukuyomi really unbreakable?

[Trúth]

See this is what I mean. Why wouldn't Hagoromo be able to break it? Just doesnt make sense.

Because having lots of chakra doesn't make you invincible.

Thats simply the wording. Of course it means someone with Uchiha blood not just his direct family members.

Uh no. If they meant any Uchiha then that's what would have been said. Instead the author went out of his way to specify an Uchiha of his blood.

 

[Nardo]

Because having lots of chakra doesn't make you invincible.

It's not even that, he must have some mad skills.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

See this is what I mean. Why wouldn't Hagoromo be able to break it? Just doesnt make sense.

Well whoever told you that is not telling you the truth. Only those with Uchiha kekkai genkai can break it.

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And guess who alo has Uchiha kekkai genaki?

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So Hagormoo is breaking out of it too if he every had the chance.

 

[Nardo]

Well whoever told you that is not telling you the truth. Only those with Uchiha kekkai genkai can break it.

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And guess who alo has Uchiha kekkai genaki?

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So Hagormoo is breaking out of it too if he every had the chance.

So basically Trúth isn't tell me the truth? :lol

 

[RedRobin]

Uh no. If they meant any Uchiha then that's what would have been said. Instead the author went out of his way to specify an Uchiha of his blood.

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NINJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI; Tsukuyomi
User: Uchiha Itachi
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: none

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Amidst the insight and hypnosis possessed by Sharingan, is a supreme genjutsu, born from the aforementioned hypnosis: Tsukuyomi. Originally, people on the face of the Earth live bound by limitations like time, gravity, and space; and how people exert their abilities within those restrictions is what separates the victors from the vanquished. But in the mental world where the caster drags their opponent, the Tsukuyomi jutsu gives them control over those very limitations!

Namely, this means inside the genjutsu, the physical world's common sense is completely irrelevant and opposing the caster is impossible. Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands. Some time, they will undergo the torments of Hell, and some other time, they will be repeatedly shown a horrendous, hellish picture of agony and mayhem*, with no idea of when either of those will end. As a result, the poor prisoner can only wait until the collapse of their psyches...!! Even a body made of iron or the speed of light are powerless before this jutsu, which is the reason why it is feared as the most powerful.

Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labelled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. Once could say this is truly a God-given jutsu solely allowed to those blessed with Uchiha blood and prodigious aptitudes.

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-An inner hell as eternal as Heaven and Earth. The grip held onto the principles of all creation thoroughly annihilates one's heart and soul!!

-The ultimate doujutsu made possible only by Mangekyou Sharingan.

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-The moment the adversary is exposed to Mangekyou Sharingan, a strange realm as they've never seen before extends before their eyes. In there, the world's principles themselves obey the caster's beck and call.

-Since attacks in the spiritual realm have no power to physically wound or kill, it bestows an unfathomable amount of mental damage.

-Only those of Uchiha blood... Does it mean only Sasuke has a chance to break a Tsukuyomi?

-The phenomena that happen inside of the mental realm are entirely the caster's to command. Which is to say, the images shown or the actions taken can be changed according to the opponent in order to yield maximum efficiency.

Since Sasuke was thought to be the last alive Uchiha thats why its stated that way. But no it does not only mean Sasuke and his father. Dont be ridiculous.

 

[Trúth]

It's not even that, he must have some mad skills.

It doesn't matter how good you are at basketball if the rules are set up in a way that doesn't allow you to win. Ie: The only way to win is to play without your hands or moving.

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NINJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI; Tsukuyomi
User: Uchiha Itachi
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: none

Main text

Amidst the insight and hypnosis possessed by Sharingan, is a supreme genjutsu, born from the aforementioned hypnosis: Tsukuyomi. Originally, people on the face of the Earth live bound by limitations like time, gravity, and space; and how people exert their abilities within those restrictions is what separates the victors from the vanquished. But in the mental world where the caster drags their opponent, the Tsukuyomi jutsu gives them control over those very limitations!

Namely, this means inside the genjutsu, the physical world's common sense is completely irrelevant and opposing the caster is impossible. Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands. Some time, they will undergo the torments of Hell, and some other time, they will be repeatedly shown a horrendous, hellish picture of agony and mayhem*, with no idea of when either of those will end. As a result, the poor prisoner can only wait until the collapse of their psyches...!! Even a body made of iron or the speed of light are powerless before this jutsu, which is the reason why it is feared as the most powerful.

Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labelled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. Once could say this is truly a God-given jutsu solely allowed to those blessed with Uchiha blood and prodigious aptitudes.

Captions

-An inner hell as eternal as Heaven and Earth. The grip held onto the principles of all creation thoroughly annihilates one's heart and soul!!

-The ultimate doujutsu made possible only by Mangekyou Sharingan.

Picture comments

-The moment the adversary is exposed to Mangekyou Sharingan, a strange realm as they've never seen before extends before their eyes. In there, the world's principles themselves obey the caster's beck and call.

-Since attacks in the spiritual realm have no power to physically wound or kill, it bestows an unfathomable amount of mental damage.

-Only those of Uchiha blood... Does it mean only Sasuke has a chance to break a Tsukuyomi?

-The phenomena that happen inside of the mental realm are entirely the caster's to command. Which is to say, the images shown or the actions taken can be changed according to the opponent in order to yield maximum efficiency.

Since Sasuke was thought to be the last alive Uchiha thats why its stated that way. But no it does not only mean Sasuke and his father. Dont be ridiculous.

You would have been lucky if I read that in 2014. Now? Forget it.

That's a nice assumption you've made there, but it holds no weight and it doesn't disprove my last point in any way. The author went into specifics when he did not have to. Saying Uchiha instead doesn't change the fact that Sasuke was still the last one alive.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

Lol @ the poll. Itachi haters outchea can't handle the Trúth.

 

[Nardo]

It doesn't matter how good you are at basketball if the rules are set up in a way that doesn't allow you to win. Ie: The only way to win is to play without your hands or moving.

You don't get what I'm saying, Hagaromo is like someone who can play basketball without his hands lol

 

[Trúth]

You don't get what I'm saying, Hagaromo is like someone who can play basketball without his hands lol

That was just an analogy. The point is that there are rules for breaking Tsukuyomi. Hagoromo meets none of them. No amount of assumed skill is changing that, which means he can't do it.

 

[RedRobin]

You would have been lucky if I read that in 2014. Now? Forget it.

That's a nice assumption you've made there, but it holds no weight and it doesn't disprove my last point in any way. The author went into specifics when he did not have to. Saying Uchiha instead doesn't change the fact that Sasuke was still the last one alive.

Thats not really a counter to my argument. Uchiha Blood means any Uchiha. Thats it. Simple as that.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

This poll is aids. What is wrong with you NDS.

 

[Nardo]

That was just an analogy. The point is that there are rules for breaking Tsukuyomi. Hagoromo meets none of them. No amount of assumed skill is changing that, which means he can't do it.

I guess, but I'm pretty sure theres something else to Tsukuyomi. I believe it is breakable, I see it as a Genjutsu and all Genjutsu can be broken by disrupting chakra flow to break the caster's influence.

 

[narutojunky]

Can't perfect Jinchuriki break genjutsu because of the tailed beast giving them the chakra to do so?

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

This poll is aids. What is wrong with you NDS.

Why are you bothered by the poll? Deluded people pick the wrong answer on there all the time. It isn't an accurate representation of intelligence.

It was a 50/50 chance and 6 people chose the wrong answer.

 

[RedRobin]

Can't perfect Jinchuriki break genjutsu because of the tailed beast giving them the chakra to do so?

Regular genjustu sure. But Tsukuyomi is different.

 

[Styles]

Nah it's unbreakable unless you have the Uchiha's KKG and Uchiha blood. Tsukuyomi last 1-3 seconds in the real world and 72 hours in Tsukuyomi realm.

 

[Trúth]

Thats not really a counter to my argument. Uchiha Blood means any Uchiha. Thats it. Simple as that.

Let's not pretend you ever had an argument to counter.

-I pointed out the author's use of specifics and why every Uchiha does not share the exact same blood.

-You attempted to make a point by saying the author only stated it that way because we knew Sasuke to be the last Uchiha.

-In my last post I pointed out that even if he had only said Uchiha Sasuke would still to our knowledge be the last one living, so your point isn't a point at all.

 

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[RedRobin]

Let's not pretend you ever had an argument to counter.

-I pointed out the author's use of specifics and why every Uchiha does not share the exact same blood.

-You attempted to make a point by saying the author only stated it that way because we knew Sasuke to be the last Uchiha.

-In my last post I pointed out that even if he had only said Uchiha Sasuke would still to our knowledge be the last one living, so your point isn't a point at all.

Do you not understand what Uchiha blood means? Are you reading it as Itachi's blood? Because it actually says "Uchiha Blood".

No where has it ever been stated only Itachi's relatives. Its a simple fact that at the time Sasuke was thought to be the only Uchiha left which is why its written that way.

 

[Trúth]

Do you not understand what Uchiha blood means? Are you reading it as Itachi's blood? Because it actually says "Uchiha Blood".

No where has it ever been stated only Itachi's relatives. Its a simple fact that at the time Sasuke was thought to be the only Uchiha left which is why its written that way.

Yes, because that's the only way to interpret it. If Uchiha blood meant any Uchiha then the author would not have had to specify. Thus the only way to interpret it is that it means any Uchiha who shares the user's blood. Also the fact is every Uchiha doesn't have the same blood. Further supporting my point that it must be blood shared with the user of Tsukuyomi.

Telling you that writing Uchiha instead doesn't change that Sasuke was the only Uchih alive at the time in every post is getting pretty old. So this is where it's going to end, thank you for keeping the discussion civil while it lasted.