SRA Neji VS Sakon/Ukon

[Curse Mark]

And here's where you lose your trump card. Ukon/Sakon himself stated this.

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"You do know that the passage of Chakra is heavily interwoven together with your organs, in other words these passageways interact heavily with your organ tissues and even the protein that makes up most of your cells. I can deconstruct and reconstruct these cells and proteins at my own will".

What can see the chakra points and passageway of chakra? Byakugan. This cements my claim that Neji would be able to see them with his Byakugan. And since Neji can see them, he would be able to repel them using his chakra which i have been saying for the last day. If they still somehow manage to merge(which i definitely don't see happening now) then he attacks the chakra points Sakon/Ukon are at and causes fatal damage to them and not to himself. Which you have also been ignoring for the past day.


Your move.

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Yeah you using that scan really did nothing for your argument.
All he's saying there is how he kills his opponent.
When he breaks himself down and enters the opponents body isn't even mentioned in that scan. Which is why you cut off the top of the scan when he gives the entire context for the portion you posted. He's explaining why his technique is specialized for assassination.

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Trying to pull one over lmao.
You could say that Neji could see them killing Neji, I guess. But when we get to that portion, you'll see why it doesn't matter if Neji can see them killing him or not.

 

[Simbv]

Yeah you using that scan really did nothing for your argument.
All he's saying there is how he kills his opponent.
When he breaks himself down and enters the opponents body isn't even mentioned in that scan. Which is why you cut off the top of the scan when he gives the entire context for the portion you posted. He's explaining why his technique is specialized for assassination.

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Trying to pull one over lmao.
You could say that Neji could see them killing Neji, I guess. But when we get to that portion, you'll see why it doesn't matter if Neji can see them killing him or not.

For one, that scan has nothing to do with the point i was trying to make or the point you are trying to make.For two, you still haven't countered my claim. Untill you do(which you can't) you lose this debate. If you can't accept that, i will now call the judges.

 

[Curse Mark]

For one, that was on the prior page or the next page. For two, you still haven't countered my claim. Untill you do(which you can't) you lose this debate. If you can't accept that, i will now call the judges.

Dude for the umpteenth time, this isn't a debate. Nowhere in the title or OP does it mention a debate. You backed out of the debate. This is an open thread.

How are you going to say that was on the prior page???? I linked the scan right there, it was at the top of the page. You're clearly trying to edit the manga to help your claims.

Counter my points there or give up.

 

[Simbv]

Dude for the umpteenth time, this isn't a debate. Nowhere in the title or OP does it mention a debate. You backed out of the debate. This is an open thread.

How are you going to say that was on the prior page???? I linked the scan right there, it was at the top of the page. You're clearly trying to edit the manga to help your claims.

Counter my points there or give up.

See my edited post. And i didn't back out the debate, i changed my mind at the last second and you accepted the debate when i told you to make a new thread. Now, there are no claims to counter. Where are the judges?

 

[Claymantan]

See my edited post. And i didn't back out the debate, i changed my mind at the last second and you accepted the debate when i told you to make a new thread. Now, there are no claims to counter. Where are the judges?

Curse said that they can merge because the merge happens extremely quickly; you need to show a reaction feat that shows that Neji can perceive and counter all at once. I didn't see an actual counter to the speed that merge occurs in any of your posts; Curse pointed out that Neji has to attack at some point, and that's when they would merge.

I understand that your claim was that Neji can see where they are in order to repel if they do merge, but I don't see how Neji can differentiate their chakra points with his own if they intersect - in which case, he would harm himself too, no?

 

[Curse Mark]

See my edited post. And i didn't back out the debate, i changed my mind at the last second and you accepted the debate when i told you to make a new thread. Now, there are no claims to counter. Where are the judges?

Again, this isn't a debate. I never agreed to having a debate with you after you backed out, I even said in that thread I was making a normal thread. Nowhere in this OP is a debate mentioned.

Neji's going to have to attack them eventually to kill them. I've already shown how they instantly break themselves down into nothing and enter someone's body. You have yet to counter that- you just incorrectly used a scan that you edited and when I pointed that out you said it had nothing to do with what you were saying.

How would a scan that you edited and used in your post have nothing to do with what you were saying?

You still need to tell me how Neji stops them from merging instantly, while he's already attacking them (64 palms, what have you).

 

[Simbv]

Curse said that they can merge because the merge happens extremely quickly; you need to show a reaction feat that shows that Neji can perceive and counter all at once. I didn't see an actual counter to the speed that merge occurs in any of your posts; Curse pointed out that Neji has to attack at some point, and that's when they would merge.

I understand that your claim was that Neji can see where they are in order to repel if they do merge, but I don't see how Neji can differentiate their chakra points with his own if they intersect - in which case, he would harm himself too, no?

I don't see a scan that shows that they merge at a rate that a Byakugan can't see. The only scan he has of them merging is when they are merged with Kiba, which is after he uses an attack thats leaves him blind. I have provided multiple manga scans and Curse hasn't done anything but speculate. It is clear that this debate is over. Or in his case, this argument.

 

[Curse Mark]

I don't see a scan that shows that they merge at a rate that a Byakugan can't see. The only scan he has of them merging is when they are merged with Kiba, which is after he uses an attack thats leaves him blind. I have provided multiple manga scans and Curse hasn't done anything but speculate. It is clear that this debate is over. Or in his case, this argument.

I showed you how quickly they can merge with 3 scans. You misinterpreted and ignored it.
And you didnt respond to my last post

 

[Simbv]

I showed you how quickly they can merge with 3 scans. You misinterpreted and ignored it.
And you didnt respond to my last post

Like i said before his Byakugan wasn't even activated. But sure, ignore everything i just said. Including the fact that he can repel them out of his system with his chakra control. This is hilarious.

 

[Curse Mark]

Like i said before his Byakugan wasn't even activated. But sure, ignore everything i just said. Including the fact that he can repel them out of his system with his chakra control. This is hilarious.

Dude, the feat is the speed, not the fact that it wasn't seen. I even italicized it and everything. How are you not getting this?
Here, I quoted myself again and made the important stuff really big so you can understand the argument easier.

I think you don't understand the whole part about controlling their body at the molecular level.
They're literally merged, unmerge, and then merge again in seconds. The brother who unmerged made it all the way past the kids, neji included, without them noticing. Twice.

They merge much quicker than anything Neji has reacted to.

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1. Clearly you didn't understand any of that point. Smh. I'm not even going to move onto anything else you said until we can establish this.
I'm not talking about them throwing shuriken.
I'm talking about the fact that one of the brothers unmerged in less than a second, moved all the way around the group, attacked (which isn't really relevant) and moved all the way back to his brother in less than a second.

It was outright stated in the manga and shown that they can break themselves down at the molecular level, I'm sure you understand what that means.

Okay now let's look at how this argument's gone so far after those posts

>I showed that they can unmerge and merge in less than a second
>You misunderstood the post and said that Neji didn't have his dojutsu active
>I rephrased the argument
>You misunderstood again and then you edited a manga scan to help your argument
>I showed that you edited the real manga scan and were using it out of context
>You said that the scan didn't matter
>I said clearly it did if you used it in your own post

And here we are now.
So, like I said, when Neji goes in to attack, he gets merged with. Plain and simple.

Once you accept that, we can move on to what happens after they merge.

 

[Simbv]

Dude, the feat is the speed, not the fact that it wasn't seen. I even italicized it and everything. How are you not getting this?
Here, I quoted myself again and made the important stuff really big so you can understand the argument easier.





Okay now let's look at how this argument's gone so far after those posts

>I showed that they can unmerge and merge in less than a second
>You misunderstood the post and said that Neji didn't have his dojutsu active
>I rephrased the argument
>You misunderstood again and then you edited a manga scan to help your argument
>I showed that you edited the real manga scan and were using it out of context
>You said that the scan didn't matter
>I said clearly it did if you used it in your own post

And here we are now.
So, like I said, when Neji goes in to attack, he gets merged with. Plain and simple.

Once you accept that, we can move on to what happens after they merge.

Accept what? He stops them from merging since he is able to see them and react..

Are you this thick? Or do you hate losing arguments? There i even bolded it for you.

He reacted to two supersonic Arrows, Targeted at his blindspot and was able to change the path of both of them. At the last second.So he wont be able to do the same thing to Ukon?

Smh, this is funny, really.

 

[Claymantan]

I don't see a scan that shows that they merge at a rate that a Byakugan can't see.

This may be, but Curse's comparison of speed feats to reaction feats (except for the case where Neji's Byakugan wasn't activated) is a compelling argument that even if Neji can see it, he can't stop it from happening. He'd have to counter after they've merged, because the speed of their merging is shown to be very fast.

Also:

1. They are sharing the same body, that means they have the same chakra points or that they are merged together. Neji has the byakugan and would be able to see that they are merged or that they still distinctly have different chakra points. With that being said he attacks with his gentle fist to cause a fatal or damaging blow and since it is a precise attack, he doesn't damage himself(majorly) like how Kiba did.

Even if they do merge, he attacks them with his Jyuuken,which is very precise, to deal fatal blows to the person that merged with him without him having to take fatal injuries himself.

Your argument relies on some spec itself too. Whether the chakra points or merged or are distinct are two very different things, and determine whether or not Neji can actually counter without damaging himself once they merge.

I feel like Curse has shown that they can merge with Neji, though.

 

[Simbv]

This may be, but Curse's comparison of speed feats to reaction feats (except for the case where Neji's Byakugan wasn't activated) is a compelling argument that even if Neji can see it, he can't stop it from happening. He'd have to counter after they've merged, because the speed of their merging is shown to be very fast.

Also:





Your argument relies on some spec itself too. Whether the chakra points or merged or are distinct are two very different things, and determine whether or not Neji can actually counter without damaging himself once they merge.

I feel like Curse has shown that they can merge with Neji, though.

Curse hasn't done anything but speculate. He knows his time is up. I already proved why they can't merge and all he can say is,"Hur Dur, but they can". I rather debate/argue with you.

 

[Curse Mark]

Accept what? He stops them from merging since he is able to see them and react..

Are you this thick? Or do you hate losing arguments? There i even bolded it for you.

He reacted to two supersonic Arrows, Targeted at his blindspot and was able to change the path of both of them. So he wont be able to do the same thing to Ukon?

Smh, this is funny, really.

Hahaha! You didn't even read that post did you?

Dude, he goes into attack.

As soon as he hits them, they're touching eachother. Boom. Merged. How does he counter an attack that is touching him? The arrows weren't fired from point blank range. That's the difference here.

 

[Simbv]

Hahaha! You didn't even read that post did you?

Dude, he goes into attack.

As soon as he hits them, they're touching eachother. Boom. Merged. How does he counter an attack that is touching him? The arrows weren't fired from point blank range. That's the difference here.

Boom, as he attacks he stops them from merging with his immense level of chakra control.

Smh. You are forgetting that Jyuken is a attack that uses the users own chakra to cause fatal damage. He's already controling his chakra wit no difficulty. Just take this L and leave.

 

[Curse Mark]

Boom, as he attacks he stops them from merging with his immense level of chakra control.

Smh. You are forgetting that Jyuken is a attack that uses the users own chakra to cause fatal damage. He's already controling his chakra wit no difficulty. Just take this L and leave.

Are you serious? Saying "with his immense level of chakra control" doesn't mean anything? Tell us how he's going to use that chakra control. You're not even making an argument. What does he do with his chakra control to stop them?

 

[Simbv]

Are you serious? Saying "with his immense level of chakra control" doesn't mean anything? Tell us how he's going to use that chakra control. You're not even making an argument. What does he do with his chakra control to stop them?

How hes going to use that immense level of chakra control? By using it? TF? be gone. Hold this L

 

[Curse Mark]

How hes going to use that immense level of chakra control? By using it? TF? be gone. Hold this L

Dude.... that doesn't even make sense. How does chakra control stop them from entering his body?

 

[Simbv]

Dude.... that doesn't even make sense. How does chakra control stop them from entering his body?

The same way he repeled Kido's webs.

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You do know thats how rotations works right? By expelling chakra from his body right?

Smh.

 

[Curse Mark]

The same way he repeled Kido's webs.


You do know thats how rotations works right? By expelling chakra from his body right?

Smh.

This is the fist time you've mentioned rotation. All you've said was chakra control.

So are you saying Neji can use 64 palms as an attack and rotation at the same exact time?
Because he can't. As soon as he touched them, they're in his body through his hands.

Take this L, troll.