[Debate] If Abortion Isnt Murder Why Are Killers Charged With Double Homicide?

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

But it's not hers alone, it also belongs to the man, you cannot negate his rights.. and that's a 50/50 chance of that scenario playing out, what if it doesn'tt?

Then we have to reconsider if:
A.) the woman actually wants the child.
B.) she can't take the burden of pregnancy (emotional and physical pain)
Or
C.) She planned to be pregnant.

In scenario A and B the woman owns what is inside her body like 100%

If the woman in scenario C.) regrets her decision then I agree, the man should have some sort of rights to it too.

 

[Prince Lucifer]

The father should take it and go with it then to another woman, isn't it? Oops... is quite impossible.



All you say is so theoretically that indeed are not your thoughts and life experience, but brain manipulation from school. Both the NB members who explained you so well have the point in this thread.
I can say it once more, the mother is not the delivery person, she gives her body and life to the unborn child, the pregnancy is heavier than your imagination and you know nothing about the mother's pain.

And yes, abortion is murder. But ....

Brain manipulation from school? Really? Aren't they manipulated by the media's biases towards men? And what points have they exactly made other than 9 Months of Pain negates the man's right or a scenario that has 50/50 percent happening, they even go as far as claiming the man's seed is minuscule when fact is, without the man's seed there would be fertilizing of the eggs.

 

[Prince Lucifer]

It does not matter if there are harmful, physical effects towards pregnancy, the woman has the sole right alone to terminating the pregnancy.

A woman has rights to have breast implants or whatever surgery, but not termination of pregnancy, that is the result of TWO actions and NOT ONE. why aren't you defending the man's case?

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

then we move on to the compromise of the woman getting 0.1% of my money to support the kid

Not necessary here where I live.
If she isn't getting supported by the father she gets support from the state. Simple as that, matter of fact woman these days do not need men for anything but the sperm.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Brain manipulation from school? Really? Aren't they manipulated by the media's biases towards men? And what points have they exactly made other than 9 Months of Pain negates the man's right or a scenario that has 50/50 percent happening, they even go as far as claiming the man's seed is minuscule when fact is, without the man's seed there would be fertilizing of the eggs.

You can't really say we've only made those points (we've made a couple more), when the only point you've made is "well it's his sperm so the man has equal say", which is ridiculous in and of itself.

A woman has rights to have breast implants or whatever surgery, but not termination of pregnancy, that is the result of TWO actions and NOT ONE. why aren't you defending the man's case?

Have you forgotten why I'm not giving men more leeway than is necessary? I've been saying it these past four pages. A man's right to a woman's body is ridiculous. We're talking Biblical Times levels of backwards societal functions.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

A woman has rights to have breast implants or whatever surgery, but not termination of pregnancy, that is the result of TWO actions and NOT ONE. why aren't you defending the man's case?

Why not asking your state? I mean there are like 3 people here that are speaking for women but the state made it clear as well, it's simply woman's right. Or did it ever happen that the woman had to ask the man for permission to terminate pregnancy?

Pregnancy indeed needs two beings interacting wirh each other but what really matters is where pregnancy takes place. And that's the woman's body. Her roof, her rules.

 

[slimreaper]

Not necessary here where I live.
If she isn't getting supported by the father she gets support from the state. Simple as that, matter of fact woman these days do not need men for anything but the sperm.

yes hence the high poverty rate.

Factually married couples make an average of 82,000 a year while single women only make 26,000 on average

 

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[FreakensteinAG]

yes hence the high poverty rate.

Factually married couples make an average of 82,000 a year while single women only make 26,000 on average

Median, or average? If you're using average, the high income of rich families being outliers will inflate the average to inaccurate levels. Median wages select the middle income earner of a particular demographic which is much more accurate.

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[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

yes hence the high poverty rate.

Factually married couples make an average of 82,000 a year while single women only make 26,000 on average

This has nothing to do with economy tho.
It was about debunking your argument that man has rights too because of the support while and after pregnancy when it actually isn't needed.

Though, yes I agree. If he supports her he should have some rights as well, just saying that the woman isn't really in need for men's support.

 

[slimreaper]

Median, or average? If you're using average, the high income of rich families being outliers will inflate the average to inaccurate levels. Median wages select the middle income earner of a particular demographic which is much more accurate.

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As if there are no rich single people in these averages

 

[FreakensteinAG]

As if there are no rich single people in these averages

Rich people are included in averages, unless your link (which you didn't give us) explicitly removed them from the statistic.

 

[Bling Kai]

Lucy, like I said at the beginning. False Equivalence Fallacy. Deliveryman delivering the goods does not own the goods, but the pregnant woman DOES own the goods.

Here's MY analogy. The MAN is the one who delivers the goods. The goods are what the woman owns. Because it's hers, it's HER right to do with the goods what she wants. Capiché?



Sorry, but no, this does not work. Like I just said, after the baby is born, the rights now belong to 50% the father and 50% the mother, because they now can both share in the fate of the baby. When the baby was an embryo, only the mother could do anything with it.

Rights are delusuonal ideas made by man for equality. Your just stating your personal views like facts this doesn't work by the way. They are also doing the same. At this point it's better to just agree to disagree.

 

[Prince Lucifer]

Why not asking your state? I mean there are like 3 people here that are speaking for women but the state made it clear as well, it's simply woman's right. Or did it ever happen that the woman had to ask the man for permission to terminate pregnancy?

Pregnancy indeed needs two beings interacting wirh each other but what really matters is where pregnancy takes place. And that's the woman's body. Her roof, her rules.

And you're saying I am sexist, Lol.

 

[Prince Lucifer]

Have you forgotten why I'm not giving men more leeway than is necessary? I've been saying it these past four pages. A man's right to a woman's body is ridiculous. We're talking Biblical Times levels of backwards societal functions.

A woman's right to a man's sperm is ridiculous. We're talking Radical Feminist Times levels of backwards societal functions.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Rights are delusuonal ideas made by man for equality.

Since that is indeed the case, I guess we can just throw this thread out the window and not debate anything, eh?

A woman's right to a man's sperm is ridiculous. We're talking Radical Feminist Times levels of backwards societal functions.

Hah, that would be hilarious if the man did not give the woman his sperm aka giving it to her After all, a gift is a gift! Anybody has rights to a gift!

It's not just a woman's body, it's also the life of a child. Saying that it's just the woman's body trivializes the conversation and decreases its true weight just so it's convenient for you to believe in what you believe without guilt. If you can't look at the situation for what it fully is then you have no place in the conversation.

Now that we are talking about the child itself, we have to go back to the issue of "at what stage(s) do we consider abortion legal/illegal", which we should have done in the very beginning of the thread. There is no trivialization of the debate considering the conception of the embryo is staged in the woman's body. It is absolutely about the woman's body, considering an abortion is a type of surgery.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You can't really say we've only made those points (we've made a couple more), when the only point you've made is "well it's his sperm so the man has equal say", which is ridiculous in and of itself.



Have you forgotten why I'm not giving men more leeway than is necessary? I've been saying it these past four pages. A man's right to a woman's body is ridiculous. We're talking Biblical Times levels of backwards societal functions.

It's not just a woman's body, it's also the life of a child. Saying that it's just the woman's body trivializes the conversation and decreases its true weight just so it's convenient for you to believe in what you believe without guilt. If you can't look at the situation for what it fully is then you have no place in the conversation.

 

[ComplexCity]

Never thought I'd be saying this, but Riker already finished the thread

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

And you're saying I am sexist, Lol.

Nah, it's her body. So her decision. You are a sexist if you try to take one of the most common rules of humanity- the decision on your own body-out.

 

[ComplexCity]

Nah, it's her body. So her decision. You are a sexist if you try to take one of the most common rules of humanity- the decision on your own body-out.

Explain why a man has to pay child support if he decides he doesn't want to take care of the kid