[Debate] If Abortion Isnt Murder Why Are Killers Charged With Double Homicide?

Is Abortion Murder?

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 61.9%

  • No

    Votes: 8 38.1%
  • Total voters
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Riker said:
It's not just a woman's body, it's also the life of a child. Saying that it's just the woman's body trivializes the conversation and decreases its true weight just so it's convenient for you to believe in what you believe without guilt. If you can't look at the situation for what it fully is then you have no place in the conversation.
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But the overall conversation started with us discussion on men's right on pregnancy. The pregnancy itself was brought up by you after joining the conversation, so you should be the last one judging whereas someone has a place here or not.
 
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ComplexCity said:
Explain why a man has to pay child support if he decides he doesn't want to take care of the kid
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We've already explained that once the child is born, the man and woman have equal rights to the child. However, while the child is en utero, the rights belong to the woman.
 
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Majin Solidus said:
Nah, it's her body. So her decision. You are a sexist if you try to take one of the most common rules of humanity- the decision on your own body-out.
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The argument isn't that simple because another body is involved. The my body logic can apply to aborting a child 8 months into pregnancy. Obviously they don't do that but the argument still applies. I agree it's more of her decision but it's not as black and white as you think.
 

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FreakensteinAG said:
We've already explained that once the child is born, the man and woman have equal rights to the child. However, while the child is en utero, the rights belong to the woman.
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Ok and Riker already played the devils advocate and switched roles after the child was born. Not understanding some of the logic here.
 
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Majin Solidus said:
But the overall conversation started with us discussion on men's right on pregnancy. The pregnancy itself was brought up by you after joining the conversation, so you should be the last one judging whereas someone has a place here or not.
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No, it's common sense that if a person has to diminish the significance of the situation to justify their viewpoint, then their viewpoint is flawed. Freakenstein essentially displayed that the full picture is too heavy, so he crops it and focuses on a simple part to feel justified about his viewpoint. That inherently makes your viewpoint worth nothing.

If you cannot look at the full situation, if you cannot acknowledge it for what it fully is, then how can you talk about it? How can you make a viable judgement on a topic when you only acknowledge one piece of it to make it easier?

ComplexCity said:
Ok and Riker already played the devils advocate and switched roles after the child was born. Not understanding some of the logic here.
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What?
 
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FreakensteinAG said:
On abortion, virtually zero. After birth, 50%.
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Why should a woman have the right to abort because it inconveniences her but a man must take care of the child or pay for 18 years if she says so. If her say in keeping it or not impacts the man's life as well, it should be both their decision.
 
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Majin Solidus said:
Because he was too dumb to pull off in the right time.
You always get some sort of punishment for doing bad things.
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But no punishment for her allowing him to not wear a condom. It takes two to make a child.
 

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Still waiting for someone to refute Lucy's original point. When a woman/man is married if a prenup is not signed then they are entitled to half of their husband/wifes possessions legally even if the other person did not contribute.

Trying to understand how some of this logic is trying to be passed if the man is involved
 
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FreakensteinAG said:
Now that we are talking about the child itself, we have to go back to the issue of "at what stage(s) do we consider abortion legal/illegal", which we should have done in the very beginning of the thread. There is no trivialization of the debate considering the conception of the embryo is staged in the woman's body. It is absolutely about the woman's body, considering an abortion is a type of surgery.
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The woman's body is part of the conversation, it is not the entire conversation. It is only one thing that is taken into consideration. When you make it the ONLY thing that's taken into consideration, then your viewpoint cannot be part of the conversation, as the conversation is about something far greater.

What you're doing is the equivalent of looking a case where someone murdered in self defense, ignoring the self-defense part, focusing entirely on there being a murder, and saying they should go to jail.
 
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