[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 820 Discussion and 821 Predictions

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Liked the chap. One thing i noticed was that Marco obviously had to have been betrayed yo have lost to BlackBeard even with the GGnoMi and the YYnomi. I feel like Someone back stabbed Marco. I dont think the Gorosei had it wrong when they said Marco could beat BB after all Marco was 1ST(NOT 2nd or 3rd) DIVISION LEADER OF THE WHITEBEARD PIRATES
 

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1.Still not the pre timeskip Teach that we saw. This was teach after having the Gura Gura for an entire year. Huge difference.

2.Marco is not Yonkou level (whatever the hell that means), but beating him and the remnants gives you Yonkou candidate rep. Its pretty simple nothing to argue about here it was stated in the latest chapter.
It gives him Yonko status because the crew was WBs, a Yonkos. Obviously if you beat a commander, then kill the Captain, and then overwhelm the rest of the crew later on you're going to be a Yonko. But solely Marco himself being the cause for Teachs ascension is false. And it doesn't hype up Marco, it just means BB just put the final nail in the coffin, he just sealed the deal, Marco and the remnants were just the remainders so when BB finished the rest off he could finally become Yonko.
 

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The voice is the elephant which i hope only certain people can hear because luffy could hear the sea kings vocies kinda like this. Which i also think will help them get to raftel
 

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Jack is about to get Jumped by everyone in zou and get crumpstomped, and that'll be the first message to kaidou and the calamities that the SH new alliance is after them .

Just as many expected, curly pirates were the ones who would follow luffy since oda said those would be the ones who'd be shining this years.

Lol at robin telling luffy to get a copy of the poneglyph as if it's grocery store shopping:lol, it's always pure gold when luffy and robin interact
So Vinsmoke/Big Mom arc will carry on till 2017?
 

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Not necessarily, Inu said the chances are tiny, So, there is no telling if they'll be able to meet with him. Even if they do, I wonder if Marco will agree to fight along side them against Kaido.
That was just to show that they receive heavy damage against BB. Marco surely join the war maybe he would have lost his limbs and all. And of course it's luffy who helped them save ace in their battle, I'm pretty sure he will tell the weakness or give them info. About kaido df.
 

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It gives him Yonko status because the crew was WBs, a Yonkos. Obviously if you beat a commander, then kill the Captain, and then overwhelm the rest of the crew later on you're going to be a Yonko. But solely Marco himself being the cause for Teachs ascension is false. And it doesn't hype up Marco, it just means BB just put the final nail in the coffin, he just sealed the deal, Marco and the remnants were just the remainders so when BB finished the rest off he could finally become Yonko.
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Yes it was this war, that gave BB that recognition. And Marco was at the forefront of it.

This all lines up well considering Marco and the WB remnants were said to be one of the 4 parties along with the other Yonkou able to stop BB's rise.

Since Marco couldn't take BB down, one of the front runners, BB's credentials ascended.



Not even close, you're going a bit too far with this one.
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Same thing. As I said above.
 
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So Vinsmoke/Big Mom arc will carry on till 2017?
Maybe, maybe not, oda said it when he made the "2016 will be the year of sanji" statement so that might have been referring to 2016. Though judging from how zou made the main plot process more than the last 4-5 years did all together I can see the whole cake island arc going till 17
 

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Who wants to bet against me that , Marco is chilling on the island of whitebeard & ace's graves drinking martini's and just kicking back?

Or alternatively , he could've taken up shanks on his offer that he gave him when the whitebeard-shanks meeting happened. Although i understand that was for comical reasons it would be awesome if its true. Its been awhile since we've seen shanks.
 
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According to this translation.
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Yes it was this war, that gave BB that recognition. And Marco was at the forefront of it.

This all lines up well considering Marco and the WB remnants were said to be one of the 4 parties along with the other Yonkou able to stop BB's rise.

Since Marco couldn't take BB down, one of the front runners, BB's credentials ascended.



Same thing. As I said above.
Except this doesn't prove me wrong at all, BB couldn't be acknowledged as the next Yonko during the MF War because the WB pirates were still out there. In order to be acknowledged, WBs whole crew needed to go down, I don't even see why you keep intentionally overlooking this. Unless you think defeating Marco is more important to becoming Yonko than WB himself then the only logical reason for Teachs ascension was because he had finally got rid of the crew in its entirety.

I'm not saying all this stuff because I hate Marco, I think he along with his fruit is BA, one of the best designed characters in this manga. I just think hes overrated when it comes down to power. Many people think Marco is right below the Top dogs and considerably above everyone else but from what I have seen that's just not true. His fruits ability to regenerate his body from any attack should have put him above everyone using some of the logic of the community. But beyond his defense his offense isn't any more impressive than pre skip Luffy kicking Aokiji all the way into the sky, its an impressive showing of his strength but the attack does no sort of damage. Keep in mind a still recovering Luffy was able to give an on guard Fujitora a bruise with a basic G3 attack, nobody cares. But yet Marco kicks Kizaru does no damage but is supposed to be much stronger than everyone else.

I can guarantee you when Marco is reintroduced and has to work alongside Luffy. Not having to babysit him like during the MF war. They both at the least will be portrayed to be on the same level. Oda isn't going to make Marco and the other WB pirates sweep the Kaido pirates on their own, their time to shine over the MC ended at MF. Luffy needs to be viewed as the leader of his own alliance, he needs to prove he can be depended on and lead the WB pirates just as WB could, he can't do that if Marco is stronger. The WB pirates are history, this is the age of the new gen, the old can't be stronger forever.
 

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According to this translation.
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Yes it was this war, that gave BB that recognition. And Marco was at the forefront of it.

This all lines up well considering Marco and the WB remnants were said to be one of the 4 parties along with the other Yonkou able to stop BB's rise.

Since Marco couldn't take BB down, one of the front runners, BB's credentials ascended.



Same thing. As I said above.

Not sure what that was supposed to prove. It seems to me like you've forgot to read the "overwhelming defeat" part in that page. Blackbeard pirates simply overwhelmed the strongest faction in NW besides Yonko crews which is something only Yonko themselves could accomplish. Therefore, he was acknowledged as one of Yonko but it says nothing about Marco's individual strength. Even the statement from pre skip doesn't say anything about his individual strength. Defeating Marco doesn't warrant Yonko status. lol
 

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Not sure what that was supposed to prove. It seems to me like you've forgot to read the "overwhelming defeat" part in that page. Blackbeard pirates simply overwhelmed the strongest faction in NW besides Yonko crews which is something only Yonko themselves could accomplish. Therefore, he was acknowledged as one of Yonko but it says nothing about Marco's individual strength. Even the statement from pre skip doesn't say anything about his individual strength. Defeating Marco doesn't warrant Yonko status. lol
It didn't prove anything concerning Blackbeard's strength comparatively to Marco either especially when he possess a fruit that nullifies devil fruit capabilities against someone reliant on his fruit like Marco is(making a worst match-up) alongside the most destructive devil fruit. Not many reliant on their fruit could resist such a combination. Winning a war =/= Winning a fight. Even if Marco could match Blackbeard, if his forces couldn't contain Blackbeard's they would receive an overwhelming defeat
It's not the place for this anyway. At least wait until we get more info on how it went down to conclude anything
 

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Except this doesn't prove me wrong at all, BB couldn't be acknowledged as the next Yonko during the MF War because the WB pirates were still out there. In order to be acknowledged, WBs whole crew needed to go down, I don't even see why you keep intentionally overlooking this. Unless you think defeating Marco is more important to becoming Yonko than WB himself then the only logical reason for Teachs ascension was because he had finally got rid of the crew in its entirety.

I'm not saying all this stuff because I hate Marco, I think he along with his fruit is BA, one of the best designed characters in this manga. I just think hes overrated when it comes down to power. Many people think Marco is right below the Top dogs and considerably above everyone else but from what I have seen that's just not true. His fruits ability to regenerate his body from any attack should have put him above everyone using some of the logic of the community. But beyond his defense his offense isn't any more impressive than pre skip Luffy kicking Aokiji all the way into the sky, its an impressive showing of his strength but the attack does no sort of damage. Keep in mind a still recovering Luffy was able to give an on guard Fujitora a bruise with a basic G3 attack, nobody cares. But yet Marco kicks Kizaru does no damage but is supposed to be much stronger than everyone else.

I can guarantee you when Marco is reintroduced and has to work alongside Luffy. Not having to babysit him like during the MF war. They both at the least will be portrayed to be on the same level. Oda isn't going to make Marco and the other WB pirates sweep the Kaido pirates on their own, their time to shine over the MC ended at MF. Luffy needs to be viewed as the leader of his own alliance, he needs to prove he can be depended on and lead the WB pirates just as WB could, he can't do that if Marco is stronger. The WB pirates are history, this is the age of the new gen, the old can't be stronger forever.

Not sure what that was supposed to prove. It seems to me like you've forgot to read the "overwhelming defeat" part in that page. Blackbeard pirates simply overwhelmed the strongest faction in NW besides Yonko crews which is something only Yonko themselves could accomplish. Therefore, he was acknowledged as one of Yonko but it says nothing about Marco's individual strength. Even the statement from pre skip doesn't say anything about his individual strength. Defeating Marco doesn't warrant Yonko status. lol

I don't even know why this is such a big shocker to you guys. There are only a handful of people in this verse who can decisively take down a Yonkou first mate, the Admirals and Yonkou are some of the only few among those who can. It's common sense taking down a FM places you in Admiral territory, now the Yonkou territory has to do with not only BB's individual strength but his crew's strength as a whole.

He himself took down Marco decisively = Admiral territory himself

BB pirates took down WB remnants while BB took on the leader = Yonkou territory.

And it was supposedly an utter loss for the WB remnants so its a given. Again this all lines up with the Gorosei speaking on Marco and the remnants being one of the 4 factions that could stop BB, so its a given BB got Yonkou recognition after this and Marco was at the forefront of it, its obvious its not just Marco just as it wasn't only BB this was a crew vs crew battle, but when has it not been? It all comes down to Captain vs Captain/ Strongest vs Strongest.

"Blackbeard pirates simply overwhelmed the strongest faction in NW besides Yonko crews which is something only Yonko themselves could accomplish."

^this is basically the same thing I said in the post you quoted Avi.
 

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I don't even know why this is such a big shocker to you guys. There are only a handful of people in this verse who can decisively take down a Yonkou first mate, the Admirals and Yonkou are some of the only few among those who can. It's common sense taking down a FM places you in Admiral territory, now the Yonkou territory has to do with not only BB's individual strength but his crew's strength as a whole.

He himself took down Marco decisively = Admiral territory himself

BB pirates took down WB remnants while BB took on the leader = Yonkou territory.

And it was supposedly an utter loss for the WB remnants so its a given. Again this all lines up with the Gorosei speaking on Marco and the remnants being one of the 4 factions that could stop BB, so its a given BB got Yonkou recognition after this and Marco was at the forefront of it, its obvious its not just Marco just as it wasn't only BB this was a crew vs crew battle, but when has it not been? It all comes down to Captain vs Captain/ Strongest vs Strongest.

"Blackbeard pirates simply overwhelmed the strongest faction in NW besides Yonko crews which is something only Yonko themselves could accomplish."

^this is basically the same thing I said in the post you quoted Avi.

Wait, if you aren't trying to place Marco at top tier level "admiral class" using that statement then I guess I have nothing against what you're saying. You kind of made your first post sound like defeating Marco alone is enough to warrant a Yonko status.



It didn't prove anything concerning Blackbeard's strength comparatively to Marco either especially when he possess a fruit that nullifies devil fruit capabilities against someone reliant on his fruit like Marco is(making a worst match-up) alongside the most destructive devil fruit. Not many reliant on their fruit could resist such a combination. Winning a war =/= Winning a fight. Even if Marco could match Blackbeard, if his forces couldn't contain Blackbeard's they would receive an overwhelming defeat
It's not the place for this anyway. At least wait until we get more info on how it went down to conclude anything.

I think I've already made my stance to you regarding this in another forum.:p Everything I said about Marco in my previous quote applies to Blackbeard as well. The "overwhelming/Obliterated" part of the statement doesn't say anything about Blackbeard individually being far stronger than Marco. I do believe he's on a different level but it's not because what Robin said regarding the war.
 
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It didn't prove anything concerning Blackbeard's strength comparatively to Marco either especially when he possess a fruit that nullifies devil fruit capabilities against someone reliant on his fruit like Marco is(making a worst match-up) alongside the most destructive devil fruit. Not many reliant on their fruit could resist such a combination. Winning a war =/= Winning a fight. Even if Marco could match Blackbeard, if his forces couldn't contain Blackbeard's they would receive an overwhelming defeat
It's not the place for this anyway. At least wait until we get more info on how it went down to conclude anything
Literally says, "Marco suffered an overwhelming defeat." But yet people are arguing that BB may not have been strong enough to beat Marco?

Even if you don't believe that statement literally, why would Marco who already is a bad match up for BB be able to put up an even fight? Not only is BB already much stronger offensively, but he can nullify Marcos fruit and make it useless.

Marco is more than likely going to help take down Kaido with Luffys help, and probably even Law or Drake will help. If Marco was Yonko Blackbeard level, we wouldn't need all this help.

Then again, how did Marco manage to get away? If he did indeed lose he shouldn't have gotten away right? Yeah more info is needed but personally I find it unlikely he was as strong as Blackbeard, especially when he already has a huge disadvantage against him.
 
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