Sasuke wouldve lost 2 both Neji Or Lee(Uninjured) in exams PT 1

[BLAZE]

Yea key words , "trying" to. "Use" he already got past the point of opening the first gate and preparing to wrap things up , pun intended , with a forbidden technique.

He nvr used it so stop twisting what happened

Really? Ur usin such poor logic as this ?

Coming from the guy who has habit of spewing horsecrap when it comes to hyuga and mainly neji nah
Kidomaru's arrows are faster and stronger than susanoo arrow :lol

makes zero sense since Lee literally planed to use extreme lotus on neji , which would surely make neji , his teamate suffer much more than primary lotus , an suffer is a soft term since its likely Lee in gates would break all neji's bones or even kill him

no he stated it was his trump card to defeat neji.If kirin was sasuke's Trump card to defeat Itachi did not mean he used Gread Dragon fire on Deidara
And did you read what i said.Gai was their mentor and he would not allow Lee to use forbidden technique on Team mate unless its Chunin exam or etc

He said it was his "ace " while we have gai saying the freaken answer to defeating neji is " This " high speed combo which should more than mean his slower combos used in anything bar extreme lotus was "not " the answer to defeating neji an it also obviously means Lee "used " everything bar extreme lotusWhy da FCK would he use primary lotus on sasuke and not use it on his main target , neji , despite stating the extreme freaken lotus to be his ace??

Read above
I am not saying CE Sasuke> Neji o Lee
yeah CE sasuke[with chidori] loses to both CE Neji and Lee as lee needs gates[at least 3] to be able to defeat Neji

All these scans prove he used everythin bar extreme lotus , read , understand and put the dots together.

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Simple logic bro.

No read above and my previous post again becoz even with all that you are only implying lee used only at max two gates against neji

A troll like you can't take seriously anyway and that's to be expected.

Coming from a troll who tries to hype Neji and then cries he does not have feats in part 2 hilarious
War arc Neji isn't defeating Hebi Sasuke[CS restricted],Kiba,Part 2 Lee,Yin Seal Sakura or BM chouji.now Please Go cry in corner

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Except it was really the same thing he knew how much chakra he used and knew it was more than that time when he fought Neji ofc it's the same chakra he's using but each time it's always more than the last time he used it whenever he's in a big fight. This scan proves that. And vs Sasuke his chakra was more and he took on kyuubi features with longer nails thicker whiskers etc etc all the way till he went 1 Tails.

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Yes except that Naruto never made any contact with kyuubi mode during his training until when Jiraiya pushed him off a cliff to induce Naruto to use the fox's chakra entering his subconscious state. Therefore like I said, it was never implied because Naruto was struggling with his own chakra for the majority of his training.
So yeah, Naruto used it more when he realized how much compare to his training since he knows how to enter his subconcious and ask the ninetails. And yes, Naruto has darker whisker against Neji but not like it really make any difference...

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

another failed attempt to link some irrevelant event together.
Having cloak doesnt mean you are at your best conditional, he is at his limit at that time and he strike straight to the target without thinking.
On other hand Naruto body was just being sealed by tenketsu, but after the chakra flow within him, the fight is begin as fresh one - a healthy body.

Please think before post so i dont have to lecture you again.

Have you read the manga? Look at the scan, Naruto's chakra network got filled with Kurama chakra. His chakra network was empty before that. With gaara it was the same Naruto said he was almost out of chakra and then called on kurama's

Sigh smh , lee's whole fight style is to out speed his enemy to the point they can't react before they are crushed by goken , basically a much weaker\slower version of his gates..

Its obvious neji's combat/reaction speed >>>>>> Lee/sasuks base speeds since if he wasn't then he could not react to him since lee's foot speed>> neji , so in order to bypass that advantage and force Lee and their sensei to say that his answer for neji is the gates , it obviously means that his unweighted speed => sasukes wasn't the answer an could not giv lee the ability to run circles around neji as easily as he did gaara's sand , so neji's reaction speed in combat >>>>>>> Lee's speed >= sasuke speed >>>>>> gaara's auto sand speed and likewise neji's attack speed>>>>>>>Lee and sasuke's..

Show the scan , naruto lost the cloak before he dashed and even if not its made irrelevant by the fact its obviously not as much chakra as against neji , hence the cloak vanished and left him useless forcing him to overpower gaara's sand In base.

If naruto lost his cloak in a similar way against neji , right after he dashed behind him and left him in base and defensless , would u still claim he had more chakra than wat was used canonically against neji??? I hope not.

Again , ignoring my point that the mode used against gaara cant be compared to the same mode used against neji in the same way kakashi w/cloak >>>>>>>> kakashi wo/ cloak and kyubi chakra still in him . Are u gonna sit here and argue that the mode used against gaara which was only sustained for a moment and was deactivated before it did anything is as potent as the one used against neji???

All I see is you making assumptions. Get back to me with mangafact saying 4 gate Lee is a counter to neji's combat speed. I could make the assumption that it's a counter to kaiten and we'd both be stuck with no proof.

And the mode was deactivated once gaara caught him. With neji, it deactivated when he made contact with neji's kaiten. I see no difference. Naruto came in contact with both before the cloak deactivated. How long it lasted makes no difference.

 

[Styles]

What the fk are you talking about that the slowest (one of ) thing you've said that the rotation is the full spin at rapid speed that is a chakra shield

It was rotation just because it wasn't a full spin doesn't mean it wasn't. Tenten even know it was rotation. So quit debating.

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Yes except that Naruto never made any contact with kyuubi mode during his training until when Jiraiya pushed him off a cliff to induce Naruto to use the fox's chakra entering his subconscious state. Therefore like I said, it was never implied because Naruto was struggling with his own chakra for the majority of his training.
So yeah, Naruto used it more when he realized how much compare to his training since he knows how to enter his subconcious and ask the ninetails. And yes, Naruto has darker whisker against Neji but not like it really make any difference...

He did vs Haku what you mean? The training was for Naruto to tap into kurama's chakra at will or whatever. You basically provided me right though every time he uses kurama's chakra it's more than the last. And vs Sasuke he had more kurama features than vs Neji every time that happens he's always using more chakra.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

He did vs Haku what you mean? The training was for Naruto to tap into kurama's chakra at will or whatever. You basically provided me right though every time he uses kurama's chakra it's more than the last. And vs Sasuke he had more kurama features than vs Neji every time that happens he's always using more chakra.

Naruto basically awakened it without even realizing using his Kyuubi mode chakra and that's all because Sasuke in his deathbed triggered him. I addressed that Naruto had no idea WHEN or HOW to use it before or during Jiryiaya training And You just basically prove my point here which you stated that in his training, Naruto learned how to tap kurama chakra which he didn't realize upon himself until after his training.
This doesn't imply anything that he "use" more Kyuubi chakra, it just goes to show you that Naruto now knows how to get into a contact with kyuubi which he has been struggling all this time which allows him to access this chakra.
Like I said before, Naruto features in the exam compare to Final valley doesn't make much difference and it hardly matters especially when the power scale shows no distinguish between the two.

And furthermore, I don't see any scan in regards to final valley anything that Naruto said about "using more kyuubi chakra"

 

[Styles]

Naruto basically awakened it without even realizing using his Kyuubi mode chakra and that's all because Sasuke in his deathbed triggered him. I addressed that Naruto had no idea WHEN or HOW to use it before or during Jiryiaya training And You just basically prove my point here which you stated that in his training, Naruto learned how to tap kurama chakra which he didn't realize upon himself until after his training.
This doesn't imply anything that he "use" more Kyuubi chakra, it just goes to show you that Naruto now knows how to get into a contact with kyuubi which he has been struggling all this time which allows him to access this chakra.
Like I said before, Naruto features in the exam compare to Final valley doesn't make much difference and it hardly matters especially when the power scale shows no distinguish between the two.

And furthermore, I don't see any scan in regards to final valley anything that Naruto said about "using more kyuubi chakra"

How does that change the fact that he know how much chakra he used? He knew about the chakra but didn't know where the source of the chakra was. The Jiraiya training was for him to tap into it yea but he still knew about the chakra and how much was used. You keep saying it doesn't imply him using more chakra but he even said so himself in the exams. And his appearance actually does make a difference every time in the manga when he gets more chakra from kurama his appearance changes a little. The chakra he was given was enough to make waves in the valley. Vs Neji Naruto had no type of kyuubi features at all.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

How does that change the fact that he know how much chakra he used? He knew about the chakra but didn't know where the source of the chakra was. The Jiraiya training was for him to tap into it yea but he still knew about the chakra and how much was used. You keep saying it doesn't imply him using more chakra but he even said so himself in the exams. And his appearance actually does make a difference every time in the manga when he gets more chakra from kurama his appearance changes a little. The chakra he was given was enough to make waves in the valley. Vs Neji Naruto had no type of kyuubi features at all.

Do you not read what I just said? I said Naruto never uses kyuubi chakra in his training that's why when Naruto activated it in the exam he made that remark statement about "using more".
So therefore, that doesn't imply anything what Naruto just said.

And that features that naruto fought in the exam has never been touched upon, and this could mean that it's kishi drawing mistake but ita not worth it to argue.

What really matter is how you said "everytime" he used more chakra with more features but yet naruto had more features against Haku and Orochimaru then neji so you're not adding up here.

And the waves hardly makes any difference compare to the destruction he made in the exam.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

How does that change the fact that he know how much chakra he used? He knew about the chakra but didn't know where the source of the chakra was. The Jiraiya training was for him to tap into it yea but he still knew about the chakra and how much was used. You keep saying it doesn't imply him using more chakra but he even said so himself in the exams. And his appearance actually does make a difference every time in the manga when he gets more chakra from kurama his appearance changes a little. The chakra he was given was enough to make waves in the valley. Vs Neji Naruto had no type of kyuubi features at all.

Ok Let's just cut this short show me the manga scan where it says Naruto used less chakra is neji all I want unless you can provide such a scan

Because naruto has a few mode
Cloak
Tail cloak
Bm
Bsm
Rsm

 

[Styles]

Do you not read what I just said? I said Naruto never uses kyuubi chakra in his training that's why when Naruto activated it in the exam he made that remark statement about "using more".
So therefore, that doesn't imply anything what Naruto just said.

And that features that naruto fought in the exam has never been touched upon, and this could mean that it's kishi drawing mistake but ita not worth it to argue.

What really matter is how you said "everytime" he used more chakra with more features but yet naruto had more features against Haku and Orochimaru then neji so you're not adding up here.

And the waves hardly makes any difference compare to the destruction he made in the exam.

It actually does though it literally can't change the fact that he knew how much he used before and after those times. Yea you're right about the Haku and Orochimaru part something I forgot about. But the speed of Naruto in VOTE compared to Neji in the exams looks way faster from the manga even the destruction he made by himself was more compared to what him and Neji did together.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

It actually does though it literally can't change the fact that he knew how much he used before and after those times. Yea you're right about the Haku and Orochimaru part something I forgot about. But the speed of Naruto in VOTE compared to Neji in the exams looks way faster from the manga even the destruction he made by himself was more compared to what him and Neji did together.

Naruto "used before" yet that doesn't explain how much he accumulated in the past. Simpily put, Naruto doesn't understand about the concept of chakra until he met Ebisu and then Jiriaya going more indepth about the principles of chakras which he explained there are 2 types.
So in other word, before the exam incidence, Naruto was so busy enfuel by his anger the time with haku without even realizing he was occupying some kyuubi chakra.
Asserting that Naruto "knew" how much he inserted his Kyuubi mode state is a non-factor, and the final valley makes no difference since there are no clear indication of him "using more chakra". So whether Naruto learned to enter the state or not, it still doesn't change anything, it's always been shown that Naruto displayed almost the same amount of power in almost every cases.

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Naruto has almost the same distance with the same proportion compare to the two except that Neji was bit further away and the Kyuubi pressure force was able to get to Neji. And the radius field that Naruto has input his kyuubi chakra gives some destructive impact in the area the same amount as in the Final Valley.
Also to keep on note, In Final Valley, they're standing on water that easily can causes influences to go abrupt.

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Here Naruto unleashes his kyuubi power which inflicted his opponent from very far. Only difference here is that Fireball can easily be countered especially when fire doesn't have much effectiveness against the Kyuubi power. Rotation holds very strong significance in defence so logically it gets more percussion treatment.

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In Final Valley, Naruto was the only one to beat the dead horse which gives the demonstration of his raw power, and Sasuke 2T being knocked out from the underwater to the cliffs which is inevitable considering Naruto holds more weight .
However Naruto raw power also has same destructive capacity impact in the area causes more to collide against the rotation both get blasted after the impact, however Naruto was only to get knocked out far while Neji is more or less at the same spot. Look at the radius rotation mark Neji did, he's in there. In other word, Neji defence counters Naruto raw power.

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Now in terms of speed...

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Pay attention to the distance, they're both almost matched consistently.

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Naruto in the exam went from relatively close to Neji and the next thing he do right after he went instant invisible by the next panel he jumped very far in mid air to instantly going from left to right when he's on the wall while Neji is standing close to the center of the stadium.

In final valley, Naruto who close dashes toward Sasuke and we see so much blur image however you assumed it's faster because of how it "look" but in reality, that is the result of Sasuke 3T Sharingan pre-cog which determines how fast Naruto travels which doesn't provide much in the Exam.

 

[Styles]

Naruto "used before" yet that doesn't explain how much he accumulated in the past. Simpily put, Naruto doesn't understand about the concept of chakra until he met Ebisu and then Jiriaya going more indepth about the principles of chakras which he explained there are 2 types.
So in other word, before the exam incidence, Naruto was so busy enfuel by his anger the time with haku without even realizing he was occupying some kyuubi chakra.
Asserting that Naruto "knew" how much he inserted his Kyuubi mode state is a non-factor, and the final valley makes no difference since there are no clear indication of him "using more chakra". So whether Naruto learned to enter the state or not, it still doesn't change anything, it's always been shown that Naruto displayed almost the same amount of power in almost every cases.

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Naruto has almost the same distance with the same proportion compare to the two except that Neji was bit further away and the Kyuubi pressure force was able to get to Neji. And the radius field that Naruto has input his kyuubi chakra gives some destructive impact in the area the same amount as in the Final Valley.
Also to keep on note, In Final Valley, they're standing on water that easily can causes influences to go abrupt.

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Here Naruto unleashes his kyuubi power which inflicted his opponent from very far. Only difference here is that Fireball can easily be countered especially when fire doesn't have much effectiveness against the Kyuubi power. Rotation holds very strong significance in defence so logically it gets more percussion treatment.

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In Final Valley, Naruto was the only one to beat the dead horse which gives the demonstration of his raw power, and Sasuke 2T being knocked out from the underwater to the cliffs which is inevitable considering Naruto holds more weight .
However Naruto raw power also has same destructive capacity impact in the area causes more to collide against the rotation both get blasted after the impact, however Naruto was only to get knocked out far while Neji is more or less at the same spot. Look at the radius rotation mark Neji did, he's in there. In other word, Neji defence counters Naruto raw power.

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Now in terms of speed...

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Pay attention to the distance, they're both almost matched consistently.

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Naruto in the exam went from relatively close to Neji and the next thing he do right after he went instant invisible by the next panel he jumped very far in mid air to instantly going from left to right when he's on the wall while Neji is standing close to the center of the stadium.

In final valley, Naruto who close dashes toward Sasuke and we see so much blur image however you assumed it's faster because of how it "look" but in reality, that is the result of Sasuke 3T Sharingan pre-cog which determines how fast Naruto travels which doesn't provide much in the Exam.

Again how wouldn't he know how much chakra he used or got? He knows he have another source of chakra but didn't know where it came from till he was with Jiraiya. But even then it can't really say he didn't know how much was used when he knows about it. Those two scans hold the same weight Naruto's chakra at VOTE caused the whole valley to make waves and in the exams he rose debris except in VOTE it had a larger range because of motion. Though the tails don't really say much considering Sasuke had the same thing happen to him in the forest of death nearly. About the speed it isn't really hard to gauge in VOTE before Sasuke got 3 tomoe. Couldn't follow Naruto at all despite having pre-cog his speed was the only thing that made him actually take a lead on Sasuke. Vs Neji although he have near 360 vision was able to keep track even while he ran and side stepped. I didn't even bring 3tomoe into it. And those scans of the calculations are Neji and Naruto going at it while Naruto vs Sasuke is mostly Naruto doing the damage.

 

[Aznkidd]

Again how wouldn't he know how much chakra he used or got? He knows he have another source of chakra but didn't know where it came from till he was with Jiraiya. But even then it can't really say he didn't know how much was used when he knows about it. Those two scans hold the same weight Naruto's chakra at VOTE caused the whole valley to make waves and in the exams he rose debris except in VOTE it had a larger range because of motion. Though the tails don't really say much considering Sasuke had the same thing happen to him in the forest of death nearly. About the speed it isn't really hard to gauge in VOTE before Sasuke got 3 tomoe. Couldn't follow Naruto at all despite having pre-cog his speed was the only thing that made him actually take a lead on Sasuke. Vs Neji although he have near 360 vision was able to keep track even while he ran and side stepped. I didn't even bring 3tomoe into it. And those scans of the calculations are Neji and Naruto going at it while Naruto vs Sasuke is mostly Naruto doing the damage.

Just simple, Naruto from CE has a very little knowlegde about chakra control, so his control over leaking chakra is a bit clumpsy. You can see as it was unable to form any specific form - it was just an aura surrounding him and the rest is sip back inside

On other hand we have Naruto with much more knowlegde of how to control his chakra. Rasengan is the best evident for that, he was able to control the shape of his chakra - highest shape manipulation - said by Kakashi. So for Naruto able to press all the leaking chakra into a form of a cloak is more logic here.

The rest of how much chakra leaked that displayed in the manga has been answered by Hyuga Progidy.

 

[Markovko]

Possibly, dunno about Lee through. If Lee used higher gates, he would probably smash Sasuke during exams. But Sasuke is fast learner. Neji on other hand was pretty boss.
This is actually fight I would have loved to see during Part 1 - Sasuke vs. Neji.

 

[neosmith500]

The mode was deactivated once gaara caught him. With neji, it deactivated when he made contact with neji's kaiten. I see no difference. Naruto came in contact with both before the cloak deactivated. How long it lasted makes no difference.

Only it was specifically stated by kishi that kaiten "knocks away the opponents chakra "

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Which is wat we see happening to naruto's cloak in his clash against neji's kaiten , unlike vs gaara where it simply vanished the moment he made his leap and left him in the exact ame state he was in before he even used it despite suffering no injuries after the fact.

So unless u can prove that gaara's sand does the exact same thing with the exact same properties as kaiten , that gaara's sand has preta path abilities or that naruto's cloak is touch sensitive then its obvious he used less vs gaara , while in a very weakened state to make it worse.

Afterr naruto was caught by gaara's sand all he did was a headbutt and then he was completely spent and remained injured and unhealed by the kyubi's chakra to the point he could barely move a finger afterwards , he was totally spent.

Yet vs neji he got all his chakra points blocked and numerous internal organs damaged to the point the point that it was stated he was "lucky to still be breathing " yet in that case naruto was able to make a full recover after using the cloak and even after getting blasted into the ground by kaiten was still able to dance and jump around at the end of the fight similar to wen he healed from sasuke's chidori in VOTE.

So its more than obvious that the mode used against gaara was not at full potential , it granted no recovery of naruto's wounds or stamina which is the exact opposit of all the other times he used a fair amount of the foxes chakra includin the neji fight.

Its almost like saying if weakened hashirama at VOTE was somehow able to use his sm at the end of the fight with madara then it would be the exact same as if he used it fresh , makes no sense.

When naruto used the mode against neji , naruto was complety energized and basically in tip top condition with all his external and internal wounds healed and his chakra supply back and amped while against gaara was obviously not the case.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Again how wouldn't he know how much chakra he used or got? He knows he have another source of chakra but didn't know where it came from till he was with Jiraiya. But even then it can't really say he didn't know how much was used when he knows about it. Those two scans hold the same weight Naruto's chakra at VOTE caused the whole valley to make waves and in the exams he rose debris except in VOTE it had a larger range because of motion. Though the tails don't really say much considering Sasuke had the same thing happen to him in the forest of death nearly. About the speed it isn't really hard to gauge in VOTE before Sasuke got 3 tomoe. Couldn't follow Naruto at all despite having pre-cog his speed was the only thing that made him actually take a lead on Sasuke. Vs Neji although he have near 360 vision was able to keep track even while he ran and side stepped. I didn't even bring 3tomoe into it. And those scans of the calculations are Neji and Naruto going at it while Naruto vs Sasuke is mostly Naruto doing the damage.

Again Naruto has little to no knowledge in chakra and he was too busy blinded by his anger without even realizing it. Naruto knew he has a tail beast but yet he had no idea about the Kyuubi chakra until he met Jiriaya. AND even what you said takes for granted, Even then it didn't add up because the fact that Naruto didn't even realized upon himself about the Kyuubi chakra during the training until he puts more thoughts to what Jiriaya talked about the types of chakra brings my point here.

Naruto causes the whole valley to make waves is an overstatement, in fact Naruto kyuubi mode keeps pounding on sasuke when he's on water to make the waves bigger. When you keep constantly thrashing at someone, logically it gives a strong vibration force. And Like I said before, water goes abrupt anything that makes contact, so there that invalidate your point.

Keep in mind that in the Exam, Naruto also has larger range of motion, he was literally close standing at the center of the stadium and the very next thing he does right after he went invisible located at the wall of the stadium and the radius of this stadium is enormous.

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While Naruto in his first state kyuubi mode was consisntely close against Sasuke for the majority of the time.

Since you clearly believe that Naruto kyuubi power was different between the two, of course you would think differently, but like I said you have misconception which I'd argue that his Kyuubi power is the same.
So Yes your point about Sasuke couldn't keep up Naruto speed despite having 2T goes to show you that Neji does better performance who was able to go toe to toe against Naruto unlike sasuke and this also goes to show you that 2 tomoe lacks and compare to the Byakugan. 3 tomoe sharingan simpily evolve to another level that stomps Kyuubi mode unlike Neji who went equal par . Not sure about 3tomoe being better considering that Neji byakugan also improves during sasuke retrieval arc.

Yea Naruto is going at it because he can't get close to Neji who will simpily counter with Rotation. And he still showcase his raw power against Neji rotation. While in VOTE, it was more elaborated because Sasuke was no way to counter Naruto speed in his 2T which is why Naruto raw power was demonstrated properly when he knocked Sasuke to the ground , and furthermore it's end of the part 1 which tends to go more indepth

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

All this talking and Sasuke still gets med-high diffed by these two, depending how serious they get. :bdpf:

 

[Kayrz]

the topic isn't about cs2 =.= off the topic and trying to act smart

 

[unknownvillain1254]

All this talking and Sasuke still gets med-high diffed by these two, depending how serious they get. :bdpf:

True shit

 

[HokageKid]

Even after learning Chidori i don't think he had it just yet.

But If lee never fought gaara and made it to the next round and fought Sasuke he wouldve won.

Him and sasuke would have the same speed but we know Lee wouldve used the 5th gate on Sasuke and slayed him.

And against neji even thoughhh Naruto won, Naruto had 2 seperate chakras. One which simply was too much for Neji.

Sasuke on the other hand? Neji counters all his taijustu. while gradually hitting his chakra point's.

Chidori gets repelled by Rotation. and Neji can simply just dodge Katon.



In the end it had to go the way it did cause if Sasuke fought Neji or Uninjured Lee he wouldve lost.

Rotation could barely block Naruto's Penultimate punch, let alone a chidori, and as for blocking his chakra points? With Sasuke's speed, and his sharingan predicting Neji's attacks, he woudn't have been able to touch Sasuke

 

[Demonic.]

Most likely.

Lol yeah it is.Stopped taking him him seriously long ago

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Holy shit