Why do supposed "fans" hate Naruto?

[gerizzyYMcrew]

The problem with you here is that you look from anime POV and not Manga POV as manga is the canon source for mainstream Shonen series.

Judge it from manga and not anime. Manga wise, DB's manga fighting action is looking more interesting than Naruto's manga fighting action

HAHAHAHAHA...I have read 42 volumes of dragon ball (which is why I refer to it as dragon ball and not "Z") and what you commented was a straight up LIE...in terms of fighting naruto's action was better...one piece as well...kishimoto is a better drawer than toriyama...also toriyama has that "kubo effect" of forgetting about the ****ing landscape at times

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

It's called an opinion are you really arguing whether ****ing fights where good or not. How the **** do you even go about deciding what is a good action scene or not. How many times they throw a punch? Thats entirely subjective. They are subjectively good or bad. I EVEN SAID THAT IN THE POST YOU ARE REPLYING TO!!!!!! DID YOU EVEN READ IT!!!

it's not subjective that dragon ball is shitty....its a fact...lololololol

 

[Ansatsuken]

HAHAHAHAHA...I have read 42 volumes of dragon ball (which is why I refer to it as dragon ball and not "Z") and what you commented was a straight up LIE...in terms of fighting naruto's action was better...one piece as well...kishimoto is a better drawer than toriyama...also toriyama has that "kubo effect" of forgetting about the ****ing landscape at times

The thing is DB practicing martial arts style battle in most of part 1 and also in part 2 (but in part two it also involved heavily with projectile throwing) and not a flashy jutsus like in Naruto and yeah you're not actually into lame and no flashy moves martial arts battle.

They moves very fast too, thats why their martial arts moves(punch, kick, counter, feint etc) not too pronounced to our naked eyes.

It just a matter of your personal taste only here and not world wide fact. Im enjoying DB style fight more because I can feel the fight.

Sasuke vs Naruto HxH combat fight in VOTE2 is the lamest HxH combat I ever see

The only character that close to DB style of fight in Nature was Lee and Guy.

 

[Bling Kai]

I've actually commented this quote to you in another thread but you never replied to it so to save me some time here you go:

"dragon ball was an overrated piece of crap with random villains with no backstory and no complex issues to be tackled...no story and little to no plot other than random space villain #10 to fight...dragon ball was a shit manga with no character developement outside of vegeta and piccolo and it was retcon galore and overpower city with no strategy or excitement...though I will give it credit for being the great first draft to the stepping stones of superior series such as naruto and one piece and hunter x hunter"...

^^^ also the fights were utterly boring and lacked suspence with boring pacing...lololololol this is not an opinion

Let me tell you what writing is. Its basically communicating thoughts feelings ECT to an audience. So all that you do in determining good writing from bad is see how well those feelings, thoughts ect where communicated.

DB's writing style is so ****ing basic and simple its pretty much impossible to **** up and write badly.
Its a series which plot consist of stopping the baddy from destroying the world, its a traditional old style way of telling stories that's been around since ****ing ancient roman times. More recently it's been commonly used in comic books. You can't **** it up. And it wasn't ****ed up it was written perfectly

The only way to judge dragon ball writing wise is to judge what is presented and what is presented is a classic traditional save the world story with martial arts style action. The characters don't need personal struggles as the strugles within the series come from stopping the villains, yet there are some characters with personal struggles vegeta for example struggles with chosing between his saiyan pride and family in the early buy saga. There are more but that irrelevant. It doesn't fail because it wasn't deep or complex as that's not the ****ing point not every story is trying to be deep or complex.

Its not badly written period. Its so basic its not even easy to **** up. There are minor inconsistencies in the story, but they are very minor and overall dont keep the audience from understanding it. Nothing you mentioned is a real flaw with its writing just a nitpick. But you are flat out wrong about the villains they all have backstorys and we know where they all come from.

Don't argue this with me its not debatable. Now in terms of how you personally feel about you can say its shit all you want but stop trying to shove your opinion down my ****ing throat please.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

The thing is DB practicing martial arts style battle in most of part 1 and also in part 2 (but in part two it also involved heavily with projectile throwing) and not a flashy jutsus like in Naruto and yeah you're not actually into lame and no flashy moves martial arts battle.

They moves very fast too, thats why their martial arts moves(punch, kick, counter, feint etc) not too pronounced to our naked eyes.

It just a matter of your personal taste only here and not world wide fact. Im enjoying DB style fight more because I can feel the fight.

Sasuke vs Naruto HxH combat fight in VOTE2 is the lamest HxH combat I ever see

I was agreeing until that last sentence...it made no sense to me so explain

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Let me tell you what writing is. Its basically communicating thoughts feelings ECT to an audience. So all that you do in determining good writing from bad is see how well those feelings, thoughts ect where communicated.

DB's writing style is so ****ing basic and simple its pretty much impossible to **** up and write badly.
Its a series which plot consist of stopping the baddy from destroying the world, its a traditional old style way of telling stories that's been around since ****ing ancient roman times. More recently it's been commonly used in comic books. You can't **** it up. And it wasn't ****ed up it was written perfectly

The only way to judge dragon ball writing wise is to judge what is presented and what is presented is a classic traditional save the world story with martial arts style action. It doesn't fail because it wasn't deep or complex as that's not the ****ing point not every story is trying to be deep or complex.

Its not badly written period. Its so basic its not even easy to **** up. are minor inconsistencies in the story, but they are very minor and overall dont keep the audience from understanding it. Nothing you mentioned is a real flaw with its writing just a nitpick. But you are flat out wrong about the villains they all have backstorys and we know where they all come from.

Don't argue this with me its not debatable. Now in terms of how you personally feel about you can say its shit all you want but stop trying to shove your opinion down my ducking throat please.

you misread the comment...what you typed is why its such a shitty series...so you basically proved me right

 

[Bling Kai]

you misread the comment...what you typed is why its such a shitty series...so you basically proved me right

So its confirmed you so ****ign ignorant and stubborn you would deny even facts that are presented in front of you. Okay just gtfo not even worth my time.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I was agreeing until that last sentence...it made no sense to me so explain

If you mean by what Im saying regarding to Sasuke vs Naruto hand to hand fight in VOTE2, yeah I'm telling you they are practically lacking in real martial art battle showing even though they had years of battle experience and the level they are at currently in EOS.

You praised Kishi saying he did better job than Toriyama in fighting action panels but that what the best he can presented to us in final fight of the series. Yeah for the man who being praised as having better writing than Toriyama, he wasted his time in clash of power battle. Kishi actually lack brain in Fighting action drawing/plots if his editor not supported him.

That how they fights in DB very consistent from start to the end(Speed base martial arts, distraction using projectile etc) unlike Naruto. Keep changing how characters fight to the point their true potential in fighting from HxH, speed in fight etc not refined enough.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

So its confirmed you so ****ign ignorant and stubborn you would deny even facts that are presented in front of you. Okay just gtfo not even worth my time.

those were facts...of why dragon ball is such a shit series...it's simplicity makes one punch man look like one piece

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

If you mean by what Im saying regarding to Sasuke vs Naruto hand to hand fight in VOTE2, yeah I'm telling you they are practically lacking in real martial art battle showing even though they had years of battle experience and the level they are at currently in EOS.

You praised Kishi saying he did better job than Toriyama in fighting action panels but that what the best he can presented to us in final fight of the series. Yeah for the man who being praised as having better writing than Toriyama, he wasted his time in clash of power battle. Kishi actually lack brain in Fighting action drawing/plots if his editor not supported him.

oh you mean when they both ran out of chakra?...it's 2 guys trying to beat the shit out of each other...last time I checked what fights in hunter x hunter were expertly fought using martial arts?...in dragon ball there are tons of fights like VoTE2 hand to hand...ps we did not see 90% of that hand to hand fight...

what did you miss the gaara vs gengetsu fight during the 4th great ninja war?...that fight alone contained more strategy in 1 fight than dragon ball did in it's entire series...so that completely disproves your comment right there...

also disproving that last sentence about kishi lacking brain power when his editor left: NARUTO VS GAARA IN PART 1 HAPPENED

 

[Ansatsuken]

oh you mean when they both ran out of chakra?...it's 2 guys trying to beat the shit out of each other...last time I checked what fights in hunter x hunter were expertly fought using martial arts?...in dragon ball there are tons of fights like VoTE2 hand to hand...ps we did not see 90% of that hand to hand fight...

what did you miss the gaara vs gengetsu fight during the 4th great ninja war?...that fight alone contained more strategy in 1 fight than dragon ball did in it's entire series...so that completely disproves your comment right there...

also disproving that last sentence about kishi lacking brain power when his editor left: NARUTO VS GAARA IN PART 1 HAPPENED

What I meant by HxH is not Hunter x Hunter but hand to hand combat as HxH/HtH.

At bold where was his own brain power in Shippuden? How do you know Naruto and Gaara fight is all Kishi's own works and not his previous editor blue print before he leaving? Link please.

 

[Bling Kai]

those were facts...of why dragon ball is such a shit series...it's simplicity makes one punch man look like one piece

Still dont know the difference between personal opinion and fact. Where the **** in the world is it stated or proven that simplicity is bad in writing? Nowhere!! In fact simplicity makes it easier for the whole point of writing to happen better and easier. Which like I said is to communicate messages, thoughts, feelings, lessons, themes ect to the audience. You are basically saying DB is shit because it isn't like some other story but are so delusional you think that's a legit flaw when I reality is is just the result of your amazing ignorance.

If writer isn't intending to be deep or complex then that's just it. Its not a problem or flaw. You would be that one fool that goes to a comedy movie and says it was shit because it didn't have any good action or deep story when that's not the point of a comedy movie. Makes total sense to you but not anyone that isn't an ignorant. You just don't get it.

Every post you say proves your ignorance. Its obvious to anyone that has been keeping up with your reply's in this thread that you are a fool that think his opinion is fact.

You are hopeless its time I put this to an end. You aren't gonna get this simple concept after all you don't even get the differences between fact and personal opinion.

We are done here.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

What I meant by HxH is not Hunter x Hunter but hand to hand combat as HxH/HtH.

At bold where was his own brain power in Shippuden? How do you know Naruto and Gaara fight is all Kishi's own works and not his previous editor blue print before he leaving? Link please.

that's all speculation on your part meaning it doesn't matter...you cannot praise 1 and leave out the other...ps kosuki yahagi left right after the sasuke vs itachi arc

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Still dont know the difference between personal opinion and fact. Where the **** in the world is it stated or proven that simplicity is bad in writing? Nowhere!! In fact simplicity makes it easier for the whole point of writing to happen better and easier. Which like I said is to communicate messages, thoughts, feelings, lessons, themes ect to the audience. You are basically saying DB is shit because it isn't like some other story but are so delusional you think that's a legit flaw when I reality is is just the result of your amazing ignorance.

If writer isn't intending to be deep or complex then that's just it. Its not a problem or flaw. You would be that one fool that goes to a comedy movie and says it was shit because it didn't have any good action or deep story when that's not the point of a comedy movie. Makes total sense to you but not anyone that isn't an ignorant. You just don't get it.

Every post you say proves your ignorance. Its obvious to anyone that has been keeping up with your reply's in this thread that you are a fool that think his opinion is fact.

You are hopeless its time I put this to an end. You aren't gonna get this simple concept after all you don't even get the differences between fact and personal opinion.

We are done here.

what is the reasoning for the fighting in dragon ball between space aliens to even take place?...frieza's reasoning was some of the dumbest things I ever read...oh I know simplicity is not bad...dragon ball's simplicity is bad...lololololol

using comedy as an example is stupid...nothing about comedy is simple

 

[Ansatsuken]

This guy still, no I think he became/act like a sheep with that thinking Bling Kai. He saw/heard all people praised Naruto or other manga story bcus their villain reasoning to be bad looks magnificent, he ride along with them. To tell you Greezy, villain dont need good or very crafted or over the top reasoning to do cruel think. What frieza want is DB for being immortal and anyone that doesnt want to cooperate with him will get bad ending. He was a bad guy to begin with and not a good guy turn bad. That was a very simple reasoning from any bad guy.

What was ISIS reasoning to do all terrorist works in our world? Dont say Islamic teaching as they never stick to it actually. Their reasoning is stupid when you hear it.

Go back to the topic at hand

Their reasoning to do bad thing is not the problem here but how they execute it or in manga writing sense, how author wrote the plot from a simple reasoning to be a better story telling.

For example

Obito reasoning is not a bad reasoning but Kishi failed to wrote/craft the plots better and he(Obito) in the end get the bad name here and there. BECAUSE OF RIN

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

This guy still, no I think he became/act like a sheep with that thinking Bling Kai. He saw/heard all people praised Naruto or other manga story bcus their villain reasoning to be bad looks magnificent, he ride along with them. To tell you Greezy, villain dont need good or very crafted or over the top reasoning to do cruel think. What frieza want is DB for being immortal and anyone that doesnt want to cooperate with him will get bad ending. That was a very simple reasoning from any bad guy.

What was ISIS reasoning to do all terrorist works in our world? Dont say Islamic teaching as they never stick to it actually. Their reasoning is stupid when you hear it.

Go back to the topic at hand

Their reasoning to do bad thing is not the problem here but how they execute it or in manga writing sense, how author wrote the plot from a simple reasoning to be a better story telling.

For example

Obito reasoning is not a bad reasoning but Kishi failed to wrote/craft the plots better and he(Obito) in the end get the bad name here and there. BECAUSE OF RIN

you got all that completely wrong...frieza's reasoning to come back to Earth was bullshit...that's all...

in what way does that compare to obito and rin?...I mentioned nothing except dragon ball...why are you bringing other series into this?

 

[Ansatsuken]

you got all that completely wrong...frieza's reasoning to come back to Earth was bullshit...that's all...

in what way does that compare to obito and rin?...I mentioned nothing except dragon ball...why are you bringing other series into this?

Freiza coming back to hunt Goku for Revenge is the reason. What, you hope he be a good guy and help his mother in the kitchen after all thing happen to him and his ego? For insane tyrant like him nothing will stop him until his revenge get fulfill. It common sense for a bad/dark person

what is the reasoning for the fighting in dragon ball between space aliens to even take place?...frieza's reasoning was some of the dumbest things I ever read...oh I know simplicity is not bad...dragon ball's simplicity is bad...lololololol

using comedy as an example is stupid...nothing about comedy is simple

The bold is the reason.

 

[Bling Kai]

what is the reasoning for the fighting in dragon ball between space aliens to even take place?...frieza's reasoning was some of the dumbest things I ever read...oh I know simplicity is not bad...dragon ball's simplicity is bad...lololololol

using comedy as an example is stupid...nothing about comedy is simple

I already explained why simplicity isn't even an actual writing flaw in any story. What the **** is wrong with your brain? Are mentally retarded?

The comedy example was there to show that there are types of storys that do different things. Some storys are just plain simple and easy to follow, some are for comedy, some are for action, some are for mystery, some are for suspense. There are categories. Meaning you judge a the writing by what is presented not what isn't there. So you don't say db is too simple so it's bad as it was never intended to be deep or complex story in the first place because that's not the type of story it is. If you want a less simple and basic story go watch something else. This is such a simple concept how do you not understand it?

And since you brought it up explain what is so complex about the idea of comedy. You make jokes that's it? You fail again.

 

[Remedy]

More Naruto content is just more for us to discuss, poke fun of, troll and talk about. Its funny, because we run into the same users almost everyday in this forum, with a whole bunch of free time. Obviously the Naruto franchise interest them enough to stay in a forum about a anime they "hate" and heavily criticize.

 

[true enigma]

I constantly hear people say "I wish naruto would end", "I'm glad naruto is over", "They're just milking it for money!", and all sorts of other ways they phrase it. I get it, the manga didn't quite live up to it's expectations near the end which is very disappointing. But why would you want it to end? I use to want the manga to end when it was still early in the war arc (obito vs naruto) but now I don't want it to stop! Anything that happens after chapter 700 is just for true fans. If you don't like it don't watch it or read it.

There is no such thing as milking the series. It ended only 2 years ago and since it's still got such a large following it makes sense to continue it in smaller projects.

Dragon ball Z ended in 1996. Yet they have milked it through dragon ball z kai, multiple movies, dragonball GT, and now in modern times they have the courage to actually reboot it for dragon ball super. If that isn't MILKING then you guys have lost your bloody minds. Complain about dragonball being milked instead of complaining about naruto. At least naruto didn't wait a decade just to continue the story.

EDIT: Don't forget that most of you do nothing to financially support the series. So if it's crap kishi it's putting out then that's because you don't deserve the high quality stuff! Probably why the anime has crappy animation.

Cuz their fav has been soloed already :scorps: