Obito's Realism Vs Naruto's Idealism

[Ansatsuken]

You support Naruto and then you agree with IT. Make up your mind dude.

You're all over the place since joined this site.

Oops Sorry. Actually I want to quoted Illuminater but I how I quoted you instead?

 

[Ansatsuken]

YEAH SUREEEEE, NARUTO CREATED "PEACE" But peace is not long lasting. ALL GOOD THINGS COME TO AN END. At least Infinite Tsukuyomi actually creates TRUE peace. And everyone gets to live their dreams.
Naruto achieved peace between the nations but that won't last forever.
When naruto is dead eventually things will go ham again.

Did you guys forget these guys?

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And with the new series coming up that definitely means some bad groups of people still exist.

Infinite Tsukuyomi doesn't have to transform you into a Zetsu. I believe that effect only occurs if the user wants it too.

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This is not peace!

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And This is!

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You support Naruto and then you agree with IT. Make up your mind dude.

You're all over the place since joined this site.

 

[WalksInShadows]

What is Idealism?

The attitude of a person who believes that it is possible to live according to very high standards of behavior and honesty

What is Realism?

The quality of a person who understands what is real and possible in a particular situation and is able to deal with problems in an effective and practical way


Why is it that people such as Hashirama/Naruto are considered Idealists.. when their ideas are based on the reality.. and the fact that they have accepted reality?

Because people believe "peace, harmony and etc".. are all idealistic ways.. However, "war and etc" are all realistic ways.. When their thinking is far from the truth.

The real Idealists of Naruto-verse.
Madara, Obito, Nagato. Why are they idealists? Because their "plans" were simply far from dealing with the reality and hypocritical in most of the way.

2 of them wanted people to live in some sort of a dream land.. while the reality is that, doing that doesn't bring peace, but simply stopping people from living in reality.

The other one had some thinking that he can go around causing pain, and people would magically understand each other and then form short term peace, and then back to war.. reality is that people already expereince pain in different ways without him even going around destroying villages. Nagato was a naive idealist.



The reason Naruto and Hashirama would be realists.

Naruto's answer to Nagato's question was.. that he won't kill Nagato. Him not killing Nagato became the answer that freed Nagato from the hatred that engulfed him. Thats not being idealistic.. thats real shit. As many humans work in similar manner. When somebody chooses to be the bigger man, your perception on the situation starts to change, and inevitable lead you to becoming a different person. Naruto accepted what Nagato had done, he didn't forgive Nagato.. however, due to him wanting to remove Nagato's hatred, he chose to spare Nagato which showed Nagato the right way. REALITY.


Hashirama, the man that Madara called a hypocrite. In reality is probably the realist person in the series. He faced warring clans, and so on. What did he do? He started uniting senju blood groups, then made friends with his rival, then formed a village, and then made treaties with other clans who then moved into the village. He found a real solution to the real problem at hand, he didn't go start dreaming about putting people to sleep.. no. The man after all did say in the Gokage meeting, that he believed that their peace wouldn't last forever... however ,nontheless he had a dream that somewhere along the path Shinobi will stand united.

Naruto and Hashirama, understand that peace can't be made by 1 individual, but by people understanding each other. Which is something you can only trust on others for. You can implement systems that can lead you closer to way, but in the end its all up to the ones who will come after you.

illusion of peace, isn't true peace. I would rather live my life, rather than sleep and imagine about peace, while the reality being far from it.


Purpose of my post:

Naruto's way is the rational way. And in reality the man isn't a naive little idealist.. but someone who is willing to change things while staying in the reality of the world.

you call Hashirama and Naruto realists, yet the former gave a known racist and necromancer absolute political power thinking it would soften his attitudes and the latter called Obito "the coolest guy" while referring to an idealized version of him that didn't exist for almost 20 yrs:yeah:

 

[nefraiko]

you wanted to say : obito's madness vs naruto's idealism

because infinite tsukoyomi would have turned everyone into zetsus
naruto has ended the shinobi curse of indra and ashura, he has established peace and is building his legacy
you're comparing the incomparable, even obito confessed that he was wrong.

I'm just answering to the title, I'm sorry but I didn't read the OP.

 

[shelke]

Everything about Naruto screamed "high tier, God sent stupidity ..." and, he soldered to it like a petty leech to the very end. What did he achieve? Nothing. He has thrown the world back into the "now it is peace, but wait till some power hungry Kage rises to power, and then it will be war over Tailed Beasts and resources all over again."

This is the same loop NV was always in. Peace was made, treaties were signed and Bijuus were bartered. But guess what? Villages still carried out cross-border terrorism, corrupt operations and espionage was shamelessly present and distrust was rampant again.

Naruto has hurled the villages into yet another point in the same cycle of peace, mistrust, covert operations, political tensions spiraling out of control and the cold war breaking out into a blazing hot one … and three times at that before its 4th outing.

The best solutions were IT or Nagato's and Sasuke's plan. Either, to entrap humanity in dreams or to eradicate the village system to completely wipe out the incidious and deeply entrenched corruption. Anyone who states otherwise is clearly a fool. There was never any other solution to the matter. Getting into the same loop, awaiting the rise of another dictator and dreading the next conflict ... Naruto's win in a nutshell. Back to square one for this jackass.

 

[lndra]

Well the Boruto Movie actually explained that the boundaries that held the Five Villages apart, are now together, thanks to Naruto.

So it seems as if the cooperation Naruto preached about is coming into fruition. It makes more sense to leave the World in the World's care, rather than to have some kind of evil dictator to watch on the World as if they were puppets. Entrusting the future of mankind to mankind is something beneficial, because before in the War driven world, there was no hope. But now it's established.

Obviously this is fiction so the whole concept of things going haywire is probably not possible. The next Kage's will follow in suit after the old, and this 'peace' will continue.

The upcoming Manga most likely has to do with Otsutsuki, whom have nothing to do with the political struggle of Shinobi. Either-way the next upcoming brats will learn 'The Will of Bull-shit' and start preaching it to their children and the cycle will continue.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Everything about Naruto screamed "high tier, God sent stupidity ..." and, he soldered to it like a petty leech to the very end. What did he achieve? Nothing. He has thrown the world back into the "now it is peace, but wait till some power hungry Kage rises to power, and then it will be war over Tailed Beasts and resources all over again."

This is the same loop NV was always in. Peace was made, treaties were signed and Bijuus were bartered. But guess what? Villages still carried out cross-border terrorism, corrupt operations and espionage was shamelessly present and distrust was rampant again.

Naruto has hurled the villages into yet another point in the same cycle of peace, mistrust, covert operations, political tensions spiraling out of control and the cold war breaking out into a blazing hot one … and three times at that before its 4th outing.

The best solutions were IT or Nagato's and Sasuke's plan. Either, to entrap humanity in dreams or to eradicate the village system to completely wipe out the incidious and deeply entrenched corruption. Anyone who states otherwise is clearly a fool. There was never any other solution to the matter. Getting into the same loop, awaiting the rise of another dictator and dreading the next conflict ... Naruto's win in a nutshell. Back to square one for this jackass.

nagato and sasuke plans were some of the dumbest things I ever read...killing the kage would not bring about peace at all

 

[ninjarasengan]

Everything about Naruto screamed "high tier, God sent stupidity ..." and, he soldered to it like a petty leech to the very end. What did he achieve? Nothing. He has thrown the world back into the "now it is peace, but wait till some power hungry Kage rises to power, and then it will be war over Tailed Beasts and resources all over again."

This is the same loop NV was always in. Peace was made, treaties were signed and Bijuus were bartered. But guess what? Villages still carried out cross-border terrorism, corrupt operations and espionage was shamelessly present and distrust was rampant again.

Naruto has hurled the villages into yet another point in the same cycle of peace, mistrust, covert operations, political tensions spiraling out of control and the cold war breaking out into a blazing hot one … and three times at that before its 4th outing.

The best solutions were IT or Nagato's and Sasuke's plan. Either, to entrap humanity in dreams or to eradicate the village system to completely wipe out the incidious and deeply entrenched corruption. Anyone who states otherwise is clearly a fool. There was never any other solution to the matter. Getting into the same loop, awaiting the rise of another dictator and dreading the next conflict ... Naruto's win in a nutshell. Back to square one for this jackass.

Okay, Wtf? at Bold...

at Sasuke's

 

[WoldOfFingo]

nagato and sasuke plans were some of the dumbest things I ever read...killing the kage would not bring about peace at all

yup. the enitre thing was flawed as hell.. Nuking entire cities or killing all their leaders... One of the most naive and dumbest stuff I ever read in any manga or fiction for that matter. Truly the mind of immature chidlren who live in a fantasy world.

 

[shelke]

nagato and sasuke plans were some of the dumbest things I ever read...killing the kage would not bring about peace at all

What YOU have read, which apparently, doesn't seem to be anything beyond manga.

 

[Michael]

Naruto, no question. Even Aizen knows the deal

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[gerizzyYMcrew]

What YOU have read, which apparently, doesn't seem to be anything beyond manga.

failed attempt at trolling