naruto top tiers are all around the same in speed

[Ansatsuken]

Your logic forgot about the huge fireball naruto was holding off,when sasuke attacked him.

My logic is on the line. And its proved further that Naruto not having FTL reaction speed, just hypersonic level bcus he not managed to avoid the fire ball fired by Sasuke earlier, instead chose to block it. For light speed character with great sensing power, they can overcome all of that easily. Bcus why? Bcus they are faster than the attack could reach them unless the fire ball fired by Sasuke travel at light speed.

Look at how FTG user manage to avoid any in coming attack easily even in numbers of directions. It bcus they are faster than all those attacks. In close distance combat FTL speedster can rival Instant technique(teleportation users). Example of other anime is DBZ(Goku vs perfect Cell). Cell never learned Instant transmission before but he can match Goku's instant transmission technique that Goku incorporated into his fight easily bcus he amp up his speed(I dont really sure to what level, maybe close to relativistic).

All in all, this also another weak excuses from another people(you).

 

[Uchihakil]

My logic is on the line. And its proved further that Naruto not having FTL reaction speed, just hypersonic level bcus he not managed to avoid the fire ball fired by Sasuke earlier, instead chose to block it. For light speed character with great sensing power, they can overcome all of that easily. Bcus why? Bcus they are faster than the attack could reach them unless the fire ball fired by Sasuke travel at light speed.

Look at how FTG user manage to avoid any in coming attack easily even in numbers of directions. It bcus they are faster than all those attacks. In close distance combat FTL speedster can rival Instant technique(teleportation users). Example of other anime is DBZ(Goku vs perfect Cell). Cell never learned Instant transmission before but he can match Goku's instant transmission technique that Goku incorporated into his fight easily bcus he amp up his speed(I dont really sure to what level, maybe close to relativistic).

All in all, this also another weak excuses from another people(you).

You gotta be kidding me, raikage avoided ama which was faster than fire style, naruto is faaaaaaaaar faster than the raikage, so you telling me naruto could'nt dodge fire style because he decided to block it, you are desperately trying to underrate naruto xters, I already gave you examples to this, just coz you don't dodge, does'nt mean you can, unless you think the raikage who dodged amma somehow is faster than RSM naruto

 

[Uchihakil]

My logic is on the line. And its proved further that Naruto not having FTL reaction speed, just hypersonic level bcus he not managed to avoid the fire ball fired by Sasuke earlier, instead chose to block it. For light speed character with great sensing power, they can overcome all of that easily. Bcus why? Bcus they are faster than the attack could reach them unless the fire ball fired by Sasuke travel at light speed.

Look at how FTG user manage to avoid any in coming attack easily even in numbers of directions. It bcus they are faster than all those attacks. In close distance combat FTL speedster can rival Instant technique(teleportation users). Example of other anime is DBZ(Goku vs perfect Cell). Cell never learned Instant transmission before but he can match Goku's instant transmission technique that Goku incorporated into his fight easily bcus he amp up his speed(I dont really sure to what level, maybe close to relativistic).

All in all, this also another weak excuses from another people(you).

You gotta be kidding me, raikage avoided ama which was faster than fire style, naruto is faaaaaaaaar faster than the raikage, so you telling me naruto could'nt dodge fire style because he decided to block it, you are desperately trying to underrate naruto xters, I already gave you examples to this, just coz you don't dodge, does'nt mean you can, unless you think the raikage who dodged amma somehow is faster than RSM naruto, well by your logic, raikage is faster, since he dodged a faster form of fire, right?

 

[Ansatsuken]

You gotta be kidding me, raikage avoided ama which was faster than fire style, naruto is faaaaaaaaar faster than the raikage, so you telling me naruto could'nt dodge fire style because he decided to block it, you are desperately trying to underrate naruto xters, I already gave you examples to this, just coz you don't dodge, does'nt mean you can, unless you think the raikage who dodged amma somehow is faster than RSM naruto, well by your logic, raikage is faster, since he dodged a faster form of fire, right?

Yeah, how Raikage can dodge Ama but Naruto need to used Kyuubi cloak to shrug off and protect him self from Ama? Care to tell me.

Please sometime not all verse follow ABC logic from start to end.

I never underrated Naruto characters(not xters) speed but saying they are FTL starting it all. Sorry. Keep it low and logical Please even though this manga toying with logic.

 

[Uchihakil]

Yeah, how Raikage can dodge Ama but Naruto need to used Kyuubi cloak to shrug off and protect him self from Ama? Care to tell me.

Please sometime not all verse follow ABC logic from start to end.

I never underrated Naruto characters(not xters) speed but saying they are FTL starting it all. Sorry. Keep it low and logical Please even though this manga toying with logic.

Haaah, you are still at it huh, no dude, no waay in hell is raikage dodging anything, and naruto not been able to dodge a lesser version of it, baagana, as I said, I gave you examples of such things which you tend to overlook, lemme give you one last example, when kid sasuke threw shurikens at kakashi, kakashi stick his hands inbetween the shuriken and did'nt dodge, why is that? Because it aint worth dodging!!! That's what it is, orrr when suigetsu got hit by a fodder before he got the executioner blade, or when pain used shinra to deflect simple kunais and shuriken, I'm done giving you these kinda examples it happens, whether you like it or not

 

[Ansatsuken]

Haaah, you are still at it huh, no dude, no waay in hell is raikage dodging anything, and naruto not been able to dodge a lesser version of it, baagana, as I said, I gave you examples of such things which you tend to overlook, lemme give you one last example, when kid sasuke threw shurikens at kakashi, kakashi stick his hands inbetween the shuriken and did'nt dodge, why is that? Because it aint worth dodging!!! That's what it is, orrr when suigetsu got hit by a fodder before he got the executioner blade, or when pain used shinra to deflect simple kunais and shuriken, I'm done giving you these kinda examples it happens, whether you like it or not

You brought in the horde kind of characters here but still unable to proved to me how Naruto's reaction speed reach FTL level.'

Yeah I appreciate for all the examples you brought here and proved to me that NV characters is very fast. Thats all.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Haaah, you are still at it huh, no dude, no waay in hell is raikage dodging anything, and naruto not been able to dodge a lesser version of it, baagana, as I said, I gave you examples of such things which you tend to overlook, lemme give you one last example, when kid sasuke threw shurikens at kakashi, kakashi stick his hands inbetween the shuriken and did'nt dodge, why is that? Because it aint worth dodging!!! That's what it is, orrr when suigetsu got hit by a fodder before he got the executioner blade, or when pain used shinra to deflect simple kunais and shuriken, I'm done giving you these kinda examples it happens, whether you like it or not

You brought in the horde kind of characters here but still unable to proved to me how Naruto's reaction speed reach FTL level.'

Yeah I appreciate for all the examples you brought here and proved to me that NV characters is very fast. Thats all.

 

[Uchihakil]

You brought in the horde kind of characters here but still unable to proved to me how Naruto's reaction speed reach FTL level.'

Yeah I appreciate for all the examples you brought here and proved to me that NV characters is very fast. Thats all.

You said naruto did'nt dodge Fire style, so I gave you examples of why he did'nt coz not always do people or mangakas choose for their xters to evade attacks via dodging, so that point of yours means nothing, and ranton kouga is an attack made by kishi, and technique is LS according to kishi, if haku in early shippuden is LS I dont think saying naruto is close to LS is stretching with his feats, the mangaka says the tech is LS, and you here telling me its not, the attack is a beam of ****ing light, its not rock or wood, beam of ****ing light, and you telling me its not LS when the mangaka says it is, its his manga not yours

 

[Ansatsuken]

You said naruto did'nt dodge Fire style, so I gave you examples of why he did'nt coz not always do people or mangakas choose for their xters to evade attacks via dodging, so that point of yours means nothing, and ranton kouga is an attack made by kishi, and technique is LS according to kishi, if haku in early shippuden is LS I dont think saying naruto is close to LS is stretching with his feats, the mangaka says the tech is LS, and you here telling me its not, the attack is a beam of ****ing light, its not rock or wood, beam of ****ing light, and you telling me its not LS when the mangaka says it is, its his manga not yours

The fact is in the manga(the legit source of story) and not anime it show you Naruto dodge the attack and Madara swing his head from left to right.

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Its impossible for Madara started to swing his head 90 degree and not 95 or 100 or 110 degree from left to the right. What he did was cutting and not piercing. If he tried to piercing Naruto's head or neck infront of him using Light fang(Raton Koga), why he need to swing his head from left to right?

But what you saw was a head being swing for cutting/slicing. Do you ever use a sword/machete to cut or slice something IN FRONT OF YOU wheres you start to swing the sword 90 degree starting from the center and going left or right? From where the force of cutting came from?

I dont care if this was HIS manga. But here not him(Kishi) that misjudged what happen inside the manga, inside the scene, but you. The attack sure is light and LS but the one to perform the attack was Madara and his head. Madara's head couldnt move at LS fast. Thats how Naruto managed to avoided Raton Koga's attack.

Kishi established the attack as Light Speed and not Naruto

This kid(You) should learn how to think clearly bcus his mind get mixed really baadly.

 

[NarutoX28]

The attack itself might be created at light speed, but Madara's cervical rotation isn't.

 

[Ansatsuken]

This will be the last I entertain you here in this thread if you still dont get the logic behind it

 

[Uchihakil]

The fact is in the manga(the legit source of story) and not anime it show you Naruto dodge the attack and Madara swing his head from left to right.

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Its impossible for Madara started to swing his head 90 degree and not 95 or 100 or 110 degree from left to the right. What he did was cutting and not piercing. If he tried to piercing Naruto's head or neck infront of him using Light fang(Raton Koga), why he need to swing his head from left to right?

But what you saw was a head being swing for cutting/slicing. Do you ever use a sword/machete to cut or slice something IN FRONT OF YOU wheres you start to swing the sword 90 degree starting from the center and going left or right? From where the force of cutting came from?

I dont care if this was HIS manga. But here not him(Kishi) that misjudged what happen inside the manga, inside the scene, but you. The attack sure is light and LS but the one to perform the attack was Madara and his head. Madara's head couldnt move at LS fast. Thats how Naruto managed to avoided Raton Koga's attack.

Kishi established the attack as Light Speed and not Naruto

This kid(You) should learn how to think clearly bcus his mind get mixed really baadly.

The attack CUTS at the SPEED OF LIGHT, understand what that means then we talk, regardless of it being 100 degrees or 90

 

[Ansatsuken]

The attack CUTS at the SPEED OF LIGHT, understand what that means then we talk, regardless of it being 100 degrees or 90

Oh that mean the attack can move left to right by itself and not propelled by Madara's head????? Understand what the meaning of CUT/Cutting movement first.

It travel forward at LS fast after Madara spitting it out. Thats what it mean. Come back when you manage to fix your logical thinking bcus I'm wasting my time to fixed your using of logic. Do you even high school?

 

[Uchihakil]

Oh that mean the attack can move left to right by itself and not propelled by Madara's head????? Understand what the meaning of CUT/Cutting movement first.

It travel forward at LS fast after Madara spitting it out. Thats what it mean. Come back when you manage to fix your logical thinking bcus I'm wasting my time to fixed your using of logic. Do you even high school?

I do not give a flying **** bout your logical explanation on why it does'nt cut at lightspeed, the mangaka says it does, deal with it, at first you did'nt even agree it moved at LS, now you saying it does'nt cut at LS, I really dont giva **** bout what you think, your words are not > than kishis words, his words says it the tech cuts at LS

 

[Ansatsuken]

I do not give a flying **** bout your logical explanation on why it does'nt cut at lightspeed, the mangaka says it does, deal with it, at first you did'nt even agree it moved at LS, now you saying it does'nt cut at LS, I really dont giva **** bout what you think, your words are not > than kishis words, his words says it the tech cuts at LS

Nothing in all my posts I said Ranton Koga was not a LS attack. I said Madara's head movement was not light speed and also Naruto's reaction. It just you dont get what Im looking for. What Im looking for was Naruto FTL reaction speed when NextGenNinja questioning you about FTL reaction.

NextGenNinja post:-

ftl reaction? When did any of them dodge something faster than light?

Your OP:-

I hear people saying sasuke blitzed madara and what not, madara just transplanted an eye and was after his other eye, madara reacted to eight gates guys issoku (in a lesser/weaker form) before he was hit by the rest meaning there is no way in hell he could'nt have at the very least reacted to sasuke who is slower than guy without ameno

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And guy is the fastest naruto xter, so saying sasuke blitzed madara is just you being biased in all honesty, he did'nt even try blocking sasukes assault but just praised him, madara was'nt even trying to defend
Also people saying kaguya got blitzed by naruto is also wrong because kaguya was'nt at full power, and she was fighting sasuke at the time naruto took her arm off she was so fast sasuke (who hit naruto using ameno) appeared to be in slowmo while using ameno againt her

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She instantly overwrote the dimension (I know I know that was'nt evading) but after she overwrote the dimension to a plain dimension, and she moved with speed that sasuke appeared be slow and was in mid air in no time, sasuke said he was going to be the decoy

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So naruto blitzed her while sasuke was being a decoy, and we already saw how she was manhandling narutos clones and was blitzing and parring narutos attacks

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And this is all before she gained a boast in her power

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That been said,top tier naruto xters are atleast low balling them, relatavistic with ftl reactions

This is my top tier speed list
1- Guy (eight gates)
2- prime kaguya
3- jj madara/ naruto / sasuke / momoshiki
4- juubtio/ toneri

Toneri only fought KCSM naruto who is inferior to RSM naruto, momoshiki (fused) fought on par with RSM naruto and sasuke, madara is equally as fast due to having full rikudou sage mode, juubito and toneri are also close by, but not on that level, guy was moving so fast he was bending space, nuff said bout his speed

The bold statement inside your opening post. Clear now?

 

[Uchihakil]

Nothing in all my posts I said Ranton Koga was not a LS attack. I said Madara's head movement was not light speed and also Naruto's reaction. It just you dont get what Im looking for. What Im looking for was Naruto FTL reaction speed when NextGenNinja questioning you about FTL reaction.

NextGenNinja post:-



Your OP:-



The bold statement inside your opening post. Clear now?

Yea he asked and I answered him, and the feat you've been asking is there in the manga, so stop asking for feat if you won't believe what the mangaka says bout the tech, you dont agree with what the mangaka says, I believe what he says because its his manga, not yours, I can't make you believe what you dont want to believe, I'm with the mangaka on this, your opinion is worth horse shit since you aint the mangaka

 

[Ansatsuken]

Yea he asked and I answered him, and the feat you've been asking is there in the manga, so stop asking for feat if you won't believe what the mangaka says bout the tech, you dont agree with what the mangaka says, I believe what he says because its his manga, not yours, I can't make you believe what you dont want to believe, I'm with the mangaka on this, your opinion is worth horse shit since you aint the mangaka

You said you're with mangaka. OK. tell me when was Kishi said Naruto reaction to Ranton Kouga is FTL. Dont get mixed dude. You are in lost here not me. You said Im against author words but actually I'm not.

I agree with what Kishi said about Ranton Kouga(light speed attack) but you're the only one who said/conclude that bcus Ranton Kouga was a LS attack, Naruto must be FTL right?. When was manga and DB established that Naruto's reacted to that attack with FTL reaction. No. never. All people here in NarutoBase knew about the fact 'Light Speed' words dedicated for Senpo: Ranton Kouga only and not including Naruto.

You're the one with slow and childish thinking here, couldnt see the truth. I kept explaining to you the reason and the unreasonable behind it.

Bcus you unable to gave any logical explanation to me on how Naruto reached FTL level, you resulted in using "this is Kishi manga not yours","Inconsistencies", ABC Logic etc etc..

You tried to used Mangaka as back up but it found that you also couldnt understand what mangaka meant to explained to readers.

 

[Uchihakil]

You said you're with mangaka. OK. tell me when was Kishi said Naruto reaction to Ranton Kouga is FTL. Dont get mixed dude. You are in lost here not me. You said Im against author words but actually I'm not.

I agree with what Kishi said about Ranton Kouga(light speed attack) but you're the only one who said/conclude that bcus Ranton Kouga was a LS attack, Naruto must be FTL right?. When was manga and DB established that Naruto's reacted to that attack with FTL reaction. No. never. All people here in NarutoBase knew about the fact 'Light Speed' words dedicated for Senpo: Ranton Kouga only and not including Naruto.

You're the one with slow and childish thinking here, couldnt see the truth. I kept explaining to you the reason and the unreasonable behind it.

Bcus you unable to gave any logical explanation to me on how Naruto reached FTL level, you resulted in using "this is Kishi manga not yours","Inconsistencies", ABC Logic etc etc..

You tried to used Mangaka as back up but it found that you also couldnt understand what mangaka meant to explained to readers.

Is that so? Last time I checked, when kid sasuke while carrying sakura and naruto dodged zakus air wave (which was supersonic) did kishi tell us sasuke's speed is > supersonic speed? No he did'nt, its left for you to use your brain and conclude, naruto dodged a point blank light speed attack that cuts at lightspeed (fact) so its left for you to put the pieces together, meaning his reaction speed is faster than light since he dodged a POINT BLANK LIGHT SPEED ATTACK

 

[Ansatsuken]

Is that so? Last time I checked, when kid sasuke while carrying sakura and naruto dodged zakus air wave (which was supersonic) did kishi tell us sasuke's speed is > supersonic speed? No he did'nt, its left for you to use your brain and conclude, naruto dodged a point blank light speed attack that cuts at lightspeed (fact) so its left for you to put the pieces together, meaning his reaction speed is faster than light since he dodged a POINT BLANK LIGHT SPEED ATTACK

Prove Madara shot that attack from point blank range first than we talk. Use manga and not anime source.

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You see that TSB stick get cut on. Let assume Naruto hold that stick vertically and align with his body and head position.

You saw the tiny swing lines. The lines that representing a movement we can found in every manga/comic.

The TSB stick can only be cut possibly if Madara moving his head from left to right(cutting movement) and impossible if he just fired the attack toward Naruto directly.

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If you look at the video carefully, Madara actually fired the technique not directly toward Naruto like you are thinking here. Thats mean no point blank range here as. The light actually direct by Madara's head. You can see the light start a bit left from Naruto position and moved to the right by Madara. It left Naruto a small space to react to Madara's head movement. Its hard to see because of the viewing position.

And I dont even see LS or even relativistic movement by either Naruto or Madara here portrayed by anime(it studio perriot afterall).


The speed is in Madara control here and not the tech. The Nature of that tech is the same but not Madara's head.


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[KidGamer65]

If the anime is any indication of what happened in the Manga, then Ranton Kouga isn't light speed. Not a chance in hell. Naruto reacted to it's extension and Madara swinging his blade and he's not light speed. If it was light speed it would've went past his neck before he budged an inch.