Hebi Sasuke vs. War Arc Kakashi

[EZQ]

I didn't remember it right, Jugo did react to him.

I wouldn't expect less from him, he's practically in a watered down SM there

 

[Curse Mark]

I didn't remember it right, Jugo did react to him.

I wouldn't expect less from him, he's practically in a watered down SM there

Not only in SM2, but all the time. He's constantly absorbing natural energy and there's nothing really watered down about it.

 

[RedRobin]

Yes CS2 raises stats on everything but Sasuke gains two gigantic wings and he has never shown to proficiently maneuver them in CQC, think Kimi's tail slowing him down or Kabuto not being accustomed to his horn only in Sasuke's case way bigger. Now the wings give him flight but against Kakashi that doesnt help him in the slightest. Sasuke has no long range moves, chirdori spear has a 5m range.

So no CS2 doesnt give him any egde against Kakashi in CQC, if anything it gives Kakashi the advantage.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yes CS2 raises stats on everything but Sasuke gains two gigantic wings and he has never shown to proficiently maneuver them in CQC, think Kimi's tail slowing him down or Kabuto not being accustomed to his horn only in Sasuke's case way bigger. Now the wings give him flight but against Kakashi that doesnt help him in the slightest. Sasuke has no long range moves, chirdori spear has a 5m range.

So no CS2 doesnt give him any egde against Kakashi in CQC, if anything it gives Kakashi the advantage.

An increase in speed, strength and durability doesn't give Kakashi the edge? Lol making excuses I see. Kimimaro's entire mode is what slowed him down and that's because his body wasn't adapted to the transformation, Kabuto's example didn't lessen his ability in CQC. Sasuke "never showing to use his wings" in CQC so he can't literally makes zero sense. His wings can be used to block any incoming attack that isn't a Raiton.

But even then, who said he'd use his wings to fight Kakashi in CQC in the first place? :lol

 

[Oblivionx]

Don't see how sasuke wins...! War arc kakashi >= hebi sasuke in every department. yeah curse mark included. and even putting = there is being generous....

 

[BLAZE]

Yes CS2 raises stats on everything but Sasuke gains two gigantic wings and he has never shown to proficiently maneuver them in CQC, think Kimi's tail slowing him down or Kabuto not being accustomed to his horn only in Sasuke's case way bigger. Now the wings give him flight but against Kakashi that doesnt help him in the slightest. Sasuke has no long range moves, chirdori spear has a 5m range.

So no CS2 doesnt give him any egde against Kakashi in CQC, if anything it gives Kakashi the advantage.

1. Why will Sauke use wings in Close combat
2.Sasuke can use snake summons and far superior Kenjutsu too here
3.Katon Dragons are long ranged attacks imo

 

[Apêx1]

Sasuke can turn any part of his body into snakes.

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The fight is as simple as blocking with his wings and then having snakes unexpectedly bite Kakashi. CQC is not an option for Kakashi, and camping from afar results in Kirin. Not as debatable as people are suggesting.

 

[BLAZE]

Sasuke can turn any part of his body into snakes.

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The fight is as simple as blocking with his wings and then having snakes unexpectedly bite Kakashi. CQC is not an option for Kakashi, and camping from afar results in Kirin. Not as debatable as people are suggesting.

yes adding the fact during the scuffle snakes can not only attack the opponent but also give sasuke an Opportunity to pull a surprise attack with Fuma shuriken

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[Curse Mark]

Yes CS2 raises stats on everything but Sasuke gains two gigantic wings and he has never shown to proficiently maneuver them in CQC, think Kimi's tail slowing him down or Kabuto not being accustomed to his horn only in Sasuke's case way bigger. Now the wings give him flight but against Kakashi that doesnt help him in the slightest. Sasuke has no long range moves, chirdori spear has a 5m range.

So no CS2 doesnt give him any egde against Kakashi in CQC, if anything it gives Kakashi the advantage.

Sasuke's used them in CQC and Kimi wasn't slowed down because of his tail.

yes adding the fact during the scuffle snakes can not only attack the opponent but also give sasuke an Opportunity to pull a surprise attack with Fuma shuriken

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Not saying it changes your point or anything but I don't believe that's a fuma shuriken.

 

[BLAZE]

Not saying it changes your point or anything but I don't believe that's a fuma shuriken.

looks like fuma shuriken to me :|

 

[Curse Mark]

looks like fuma shuriken to me :|

I guess it still is considered one but when I thought of them I always thought of

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[RedRobin]

An increase in speed, strength and durability doesn't give Kakashi the edge? Lol making excuses I see. Kimimaro's entire mode is what slowed him down and that's because his body wasn't adapted to the transformation, Kabuto's example didn't lessen his ability in CQC. Sasuke "never showing to use his wings" in CQC so he can't literally makes zero sense. His wings can be used to block any incoming attack that isn't a Raiton.

But even then, who said he'd use his wings to fight Kakashi in CQC in the first place? :lol

Exactly. How can you say he is as proficient with wings if he has not shown it. Its clear the weight two giant wings add to the body, its clear his fighting ability will change maybe in not every case but against Kakashi who is very agile and quick it certainly makes a difference needing to worry about the position of your wings when moving around. And once again Sasuke has not shown agility and quickness with his wings.

Can Sasuke go into CS2 without his wings? I dont recall him doing that. The benefits of CS2 dont help in CQC since the wings are added to the fray.

1. Why will Sauke use wings in Close combat
2.Sasuke can use snake summons and far superior Kenjutsu too here
3.Katon Dragons are long ranged attacks imo

2. Kakashi can use a shadow clone who can fight just as well as he can. With

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no snakes stand a chance.

3. Sorry I meant no long range attack Kakashi can counter. A suiton can easily counter his katon.

 

[Curse Mark]

Exactly. How can you say he is as proficient with wings if he has not shown it. Its clear the weight two giant wings add to the body, its clear his fighting ability will change maybe in not every case but against Kakashi who is very agile and quick it certainly makes a difference needing to worry about the position of your wings in moving around. And once again Sasuke has no shown agility and quickness with his wings.

Can Sasuke going to CS2 without his wings? I dont recall him doing that. The benefits of CS2 dont help in CQC since the wings are added to the fray.



2. Kakashi can use a shadow clone who can fight just as well as he can. With lightning transmission no snakes stand a chance.

3. Sorry I meant no long range attack Kakashi can counter. A suiton can easily counter his katon.

Sasuke going CM2 without wings.

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[RedRobin]

Sasuke going CM2 without wings.

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That was still mid transformation.

 

[Curse Mark]

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That was still mid transformation.

Funny you used the next page because I was going to use that as an example of him using the wings in CQC.

He did the same thing with Jugo.

 

[KidGamer65]

Exactly. How can you say he is as proficient with wings if he has not shown it. Its clear the weight two giant wings add to the body, its clear his fighting ability will change maybe in not every case but against Kakashi who is very agile and quick it certainly makes a difference needing to worry about the position of your wings when moving around. And once again Sasuke has not shown agility and quickness with his wings.

Can Sasuke go into CS2 without his wings? I dont recall him doing that. The benefits of CS2 dont help in CQC since the wings are added to the fray.

He's shown to use his wings, and there's no reason to believe it's slower than any part of his body. Weight is irrelevant when we are talking about ninjas with superhuman strength. :lol It's painfully obvious that you are making excuses here. No reason for his wings to slow him down, especially when he's not using them in combat.

-His wings don't slow him down. No reason why they would, weight is irrelevant especially since you have no idea how heavy they are. Just baseless assumptions.

-CS2 speeds him up even further than the first state, so whether or not he's shown agility and quickness in CS2 is irrelevant.

Kakashi gets molested in CQC against CS2 Sasuke.

 

[RedRobin]

He's shown to use his wings, and there's no reason to believe it's slower than any part of his body. Weight is irrelevant when we are talking about ninjas with superhuman strength. :lol It's painfully obvious that you are making excuses here. No reason for his wings to slow him down, especially when he's not using them in combat.

-His wings don't slow him down. No reason why they would, weight is irrelevant especially since you have no idea how heavy they are. Just baseless assumptions.

-CS2 speeds him up even further than the first state, so whether or not he's shown agility and quickness in CS2 is irrelevant.

Kakashi gets molested in CQC against CS2 Sasuke.

Simply he has not shown to proficiently use them in CQC. Kakashi can easily move around Sasuke with his agility [

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] with his wing form. Of course its going to change his agility and flexibility because he has to worry about maneuvering with those 2 giant wings on his back.

No he doesnt. Kakashi was handling both Hidan and kakuzu while protecting Team 10, Pain and 6 tail Jins. Also kicking Obito's ass. Please tell me again how Kakashi is getting molested.

 

[KidGamer65]

Simply he has not shown to proficiently use them in CQC. Kakashi can easily move around Sasuke with his agility [

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] with his wing form. Of course its going to change his agility and flexibility because he has to worry about maneuvering with those 2 giant wings on his back.

No he doesnt. Kakashi was handling both Hidan and kakuzu while protecting Team 10, Pain and 6 tail Jins. Also kicking Obito's ass. Please tell me again how Kakashi is getting molested.

He doesn't need to when they don't make him slower nor does he actually need to use the wings themselves to whack this guy. The rest is based on literally nothing as usual. Just more nitpicking that exposes how biased towards Kakashi you really are. Quit talking this giant wings BS and start countering arguments. You can go on for days about speed and the size of the wings but until you can actually prove that they would be detrimental to his fighting style, you don't have a point, something I've already stated but of course, you conveniently ignored it.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

-He wasn't handling both Hidan and Kakuzu. Please stop overrating this guy for one second and just read the Manga.
-He accomplished nothing against the V2 Jins, so people need to stop wanking this feat. He charged them, got tanked. Attacked again, got dodged and slapped away in a matter of seconds.
-And a tired Obito letting him win doesn't help either.

Base Sasuke's stats already equal Kakashi's. Curse Mark Lvl 2>>Level 1>>Base. Do the math. If they fight head on Kakashi ends up with a sword through his heart. People go on about Kakashi's boost, yet he's shown no major boost in areas that'd matter, and that'd be speed and strength.

 

[BLAZE]

I guess it still is considered one but when I thought of them I always thought of

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aren't both same :|

2. Kakashi can use a shadow clone who can fight just as well as he can. With

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no snakes stand a chance.

and he will Just cut his chakra reserve by half becoz at close Combat sasuke can himself use chidori current to nuetralize the clone

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adding the fact Sasuke can spam shurikens in close combat to nuetralize the clone

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3. Sorry I meant no long range attack Kakashi can counter. A suiton can easily counter his katon.

vice versa is True too

 

[TheJinx]

S1. Sasuke wins
S2. Kamui gg