naruto top tiers are all around the same in speed

[Uchihakil]

Yeah and above supersonic is hyper sonic after that is massive hypersonic and so on

If you try to prove that Sasuke is FTL or LS or relativistic bcus he can avoid super sonic attack from your post/explanation above, try harder.

No I just posted that to show how fast naruto xters are, dante was saying naruto are sonic speed at best, so I posted that for people who think like that, sakura can't be massively hypersonic and be on the same tier as naruto, naruto is waaaay faster than sakura, RSM naruto >> BSM naruto >> BM naruto>= KCM naruto > raikage ( who is as fast as lightning), that alone shows how far naruto got, I gave many speedfeats above, from shinobis weaker than naruto and the feat they have, juubito reacting to teleported attacks, rinne madara reacting to hiraishin giri, who are weaker/slower than RSM naruto

 

[Ansatsuken]

There is a difference between reaction speed and footspeed, I never said sasuke nor naruto nor any xter in naruto has ftl speed, they are just below lightspeed though

All examples I gave you here is all related to LS or FTL reaction speed tho(Naruto reaction to Sasuke's Chidori and Sasuke reaction to Madara's attack)

To put an icing on the cake here, why Sasuke need to swap with his sword using Amenotejikara when he capable of LS or FTL reaction speed? He has an opportunity to show us his reaction speed using foot and not technique.

Remember this scene?

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Only you that brought here foot speed feat by bringing Sakura's case

Point is you want to proved us that Naruto have FTL reaction speed(see all your replies regarding of Rikudou Madara vs RSM Naruto close combat to all people)

 

[Uchihakil]

All examples I gave you here is all related to LS or FTL reaction speed tho(Naruto reaction to Sasuke's Chidori and Sasuke reaction to Madara's attack) To put an icing on the cake here, why Sasuke need to swap with his sword using Amenotejikara when he have LS or FTL reaction speed? He has an opportunity to show us his reaction speed using foot and not technique.

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Only you that brought here foot speed feat by bringing Sakura's case

I already answered that in my earlier post when I said kishi wanted to show us his new power, and also gave you examples, sakura is not even as fast as raikage, and she is massively hypersonic, and naruto who is waaaaay faster than that, has 3 forms faster than the raikage is massively hypersonic, that just does'nt make sense man, think for a while, we have a continent buster in the same manga, this is noo exaggerating man, haku using her mirrors is lightspeed (though sasuke been able to tag her is an ass pull, but that does'nt change haku's speed), so saying the main xter at the end of the series dodged a lS attack is exaggerating, come on man

 

[Uchihakil]

Hebi sasuke was able to summon,control and enter mandas mouth or nose or whatever before an explosion which was in motion could hit him

 

[Uchihakil]

And ofcoarse their is guy who was bending space in the same manga

 

[NarutoX28]

Madara doesn't have RSM. RSM is specific to Naruto. Databook explains this I believe. He does have something similar. Due to being the jinchuuriki of the juubi. Can't remember what it's called. Very similar powers but not RSM.

Anyways, my list

1 Gai
2 Kaguya
3 Adult Naruto/ Adult Sasuke/ fused momoshiki
4 JJ Madara/Toneri
5 juubito

TSB is created through the chakra control attained from RSM.

Juubidara had TSB.

Therefore, Juubidara had Rikudou Senjutsu. End of discussion.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Hebi sasuke was able to summon,control and enter mandas mouth or nose or whatever before an explosion which was in motion could hit him

As I said before also yourself. Inconsistency put their actual reaction speed under question. There was no clear answer.

 

[Uchihakil]

As I said before also yourself. Inconsistency put their actual reaction speed under question. There was no clear answer.

There are alot of feats that proves my point, alot, I gave you countless speedfeats in naruto, which most of them were from slower xters, obito reacted to a teleported attack, teleported kyuubi sized rasengan, how fast do you think his reaction speed is just with that? Base hashi outspeeding a bijuu dama and deflecting it while it was halfway, and many more, if you watched boruto the movie, you'll see naruto and sasuke leaving trails of fire due to speed, and were portrayed the way it should be, the portrayal in anime was'nt that good tbh, they had better portrayals in the last and boruto the movie

 

[Ansatsuken]

There are alot of feats that proves my point, alot, I gave you countless speedfeats in naruto, which most of them were from slower xters, obito reacted to a teleported attack, teleported kyuubi sized rasengan, how fast do you think his reaction speed is just with that? Base hashi outspeeding a bijuu dama and deflecting it while it was halfway, and many more, if you watched boruto the movie, you'll see naruto and sasuke leaving trails of fire due to speed, and were portrayed the way it should be, the portrayal in anime was'nt that good tbh, they had better portrayals in the last and boruto the movie

If they still got hit and just can defend themselves from the attack the best thing they can do, its slower than LS even relativistic.

I already gave you logic how FTL speed works be it reaction or running..

Use you logic to dictate the speed and not how flashy the moves were.

 

[Uchihakil]

If they still got hit and just can defend themselves from the attack the best thing they can do, its slower than LS even relativistic.

I already gave you logic how FTL speed works be it reaction or running..

Use you logic to dictate the speed and not how flashy the moves were.

This is like the 3rd time I'm telling you, such inconsistencies happen in every manga, EVERY manga, I gave you examples which you tend to overlook, why are you ignoring the examples?

 

[oxtopus]

Naruto have FTL reaction speed bcus he can reacted to Madara's light fang attack but failed to avoided cleanly Sasuke attempt to chidori him from behind after Amenotejikara in VOTE 2 battle despite having FTL reaction speed and Rikudou sensing power.

Couldnt you see the absurdity inside your logic or your persistent in backing up Naruto character
speed(FTL) feats in here Uchihakil?

Your logic forgot about the huge fireball naruto was holding off,when sasuke attacked him.

 

[Uchihakil]

Your logic forgot about the huge fireball naruto was holding off,when sasuke attacked him.

Thank you for pointing that out

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

TSB is created through the chakra control attained from RSM.

Juubidara had TSB.

Therefore, Juubidara had Rikudou Senjutsu. End of discussion.

yes madara has six paths senjutsu...but the coffin seal version of it...not six paths sage mode

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

TSB is created through the chakra control attained from RSM.

Juubidara had TSB.

Therefore, Juubidara had Rikudou Senjutsu. End of discussion.

TSB can be created after attaining six paths senjutsu. Naruto, juubidara and juubito had this. The mistake you are making is thinking six path senjutsu and RSM are the same. They are not. Databook 4/explains this. Naruto has RSM but juubito and juubidara don't even though they possess six path senjutsu.

I am not explaining this again. Do your research.

 

[NarutoX28]

TSB can be created after attaining six paths senjutsu. Naruto, juubidara and juubito had this. The mistake you are making is thinking six path senjutsu and RSM are the same. They are not. Databook 4/explains this. Naruto has RSM but juubito and juubidara don't even though they possess six path senjutsu.

Being able to use Senjutsu literally allows one to use Sage Mode. You're simply applying "different" names to Naruto and a Juubi Jin's mode when they literally mean the exact same thing.

The key characteristic of an RSM user is the 9 Tomoes on their back which Obito, Madara, and Naruto all possessed.

 

[NarutoX28]

yes madara has six paths senjutsu...but the coffin seal version of it...not six paths sage mode

Great, because in my mind, being able to use Senjutsu allows one to use Sage Mode, so Rikudou Senjutsu = Rikudou Sage Mode. Seriously, what's the difference between those 2 names? They literally mean the exact same thing.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Great, because in my mind, being able to use Senjutsu allows one to use Sage Mode, so Rikudou Senjutsu = Rikudou Sage Mode. Seriously, what's the difference between those 2 names? They literally mean the exact same thing.

no...senjutsu allows one to utilize sage chakra within their regular ninjutsu...creating senjutsu...
orochimaru's curse mark allows one to employ senjutsu...no it's not the same thing
sasuke uchiha has six paths chakra...he does not have six paths senjutsu...
the coffin seal is a jutsu to seal the ten-tails into one's self and achieve six paths senjutsu...
naruto's six paths sage mode is a DIRECT RESULT of utilizing hagoromo's chakra...madara and obito did not have hagoromo's chakra

 

[NarutoX28]

no...senjutsu allows one to utilize sage chakra within their regular ninjutsu...creating senjutsu...
orochimaru's curse mark allows one to employ senjutsu...no it's not the same thing
sasuke uchiha has six paths chakra...he does not have six paths senjutsu...
the coffin seal is a jutsu to seal the ten-tails into one's self and achieve six paths senjutsu...
naruto's six paths sage mode is a DIRECT RESULT of utilizing hagoromo's chakra...madara and obito did not have hagoromo's chakra

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You can't use Senjutsu without harmonizing Natural Energy, Physical Energy, and Spiritual Energy. By attaining that balance, one enters Sage Mode and is able to use Senjutsu. There's literally no difference between RSM and Rikudou Senjutsu besides you making up arbitrary terms.

The Juubi's Chakra is essentially similar to Rikudou's due to the fact that he inherited his chakra from Kaguya who attained her Chakra from the Chakra Fruit which requires all of the Bijuu's Chakra to flourish. Of course, the Juubi embodies Natural Energy as well, so it contains both Rikudou's Chakra + Natural Energy which creates Rikudou Senjutsu. This makes sense considering Rikudou Senjutsu is considered a Six Paths Power and by attaining it through the Juubi, one can manifest Rikudou's Chakra as Hagoromo stated:

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There's absolutely no difference besides the way Naruto and Madara/Obito attained it.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Being able to use Senjutsu literally allows one to use Sage Mode. You're simply applying "different" names to Naruto and a Juubi Jin's mode when they literally mean the exact same thing.

The key characteristic of an RSM user is the 9 Tomoes on their back which Obito, Madara, and Naruto all possessed.

Lol. They are different. Forget the names. Just because someone has rikudou senjutsu doesn't mean the have rikudou Sage mode. Disregard logic and understand that kishi logic is different.

Despite the names. They are two different things.

 

[NarutoX28]

Lol. They are different. Forget the names. Just because someone has rikudou senjutsu doesn't mean the have rikudou Sage mode. Disregard logic and understand that kishi logic is different.

No, it's already been established that creating a balance between Natural Energy, Physical Energy, and Spiritual Energy allows one to use Senjutsu and that state of being able to use Senjutsu is essentially Sage Mode. There's absolutely no difference and Kishimoto has Juubidara claim that Naruto's Rikudou Power received from Rikudou Sennin was exactly like his. That statement wasn't contradicted at all.

Despite the names. They are two different things.

No they're not. They're both a power received from utilizing both Senjutsu and Rikudou's Chakra.