How the Hyuuga actually stack up against Uchiha?

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Detecting genjutsu </ dispelling one. To combat the sharigan you need more than taijutsu because they can easily read through that.
Tell that to Naruto killer bee lee them sound ninja, oro and all the other people who punch Sasuke in the mouth my one and only questionn that I know you can't answer or won't answer it is . The uchiha can't use fire ball techniques all day after a few of those you are exhausting and as you fall throughout the entire war arc battles are fought up close
 

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It's funny that you mention that, because even if it's as you say where 80% of the Uchiha didn't have the sharingan, they still equaled the Senju with no mention of the Hyuga clan being even slightly close to their level.

So if you want to say that a clan with 80% average shinobi is still greater than a clan with 100% Doujutsu, that's fine by me.

And even if you believe the 20% with the sharingan made up for the 80% that didn't have it, that still means 1 Uchiha with a 3T sharingan is equal to 2, 3, 4, or even possibly 5 Hyuga with the Byakugan. But that's the math you've chosen.
Ok lets not twist words here you never heard me say Oh what the ever said that all senju were warriors so let not twist facts as you are known to do

1 and let's clear this up if hypothetically if the clan head said all hands on deck and went to battle even the shopkeeper or a waitress with byakugan can kill a man regardless of strength and power with a poke the same cannot be said for the uchiha
 
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Ok lets not twist words here you never heard me say Oh what the ever said that all senju were warriors so last night twist facts as you are known to do

1 and let's clear this up if hypothetically if the clan head said all hands on deck and went to battle even the shopkeeper or a waitress with byakugan can kill a man regardless of strength and power with a poke the same cannot be said for the uchiha
lol just stop pls. your posts are utterly cancerous
 

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Tell that to Naruto killer bee lee them sound ninja, oro and all the other people who punch Sasuke in the mouth my one and only questionn that I know you can't answer or won't answer it is . The uchiha can't use fire ball techniques all day after a few of those you are exhausting and as you fall throughout the entire war arc battles are fought up close
I dont see why they cant get defeated by a well place fireball jutsu do you?
 

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The Hyuga aren't essential to the story but that doesnt make them weak. In the grand scheme of things, their abilities are compared to power houses like Madara, Hashirama, the Kages, Naruto, Sasuke, etc. When that is compared, the Hyuga wouldn't stand out that much.

Compare them with the lesser shinobi and they would look strong. There's someone that stronger, even with the view of a whole clan's power in comparison. Another point is that this is the clan that claims that they are the strongest, so they stand out more and people will scrutinize if they really are that strong as they claim to be. Did other clans made such claims? No.

The Hyuuga are probably one of strongest clan in the Narutoverse; however, Kishi hasn't done a good job at showing the gap between the main cast and "average" ninjas. Since 99% of the ninjas in Naruto's world are fodder, the Hyuuga are not weak on a global basis.

Furthermore, The uchiha needed a Power hungry plot in order to be OP, so saying Sasuke becoming a demigod at the age of 17 isn't much impressive considering he had alot of powerups handed to him and it's all because he's a main cast that needed to progress the story.

If the Uchiha are the strongest then every uchiha would've posses MS but nope instead only few rare sharingan user can posses MS. The uchiha are full of dis-functional clan by losing one their team members in order to awaken something powerful.
 
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Could've sworn it was said that Sharingan was rare, MS was even rarer, and EMS was basically impossible vs Hyuga were the average Hyuga is born with Byakugan. Now we have to also take into fact that before the massacre it showed a lot of Uchiha with Sharingan which is also confirmed by the wall of eyes Obito had when he implanted Itachi's into Sasuke. So a fair comparison is 3 tomoe sharingan vs average Hyuga but anything above 3 tomoe, MS & EMS would wreck Hyuga imo.
 

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The Hyuga aren't essential to the story but that doesnt make them weak. In the grand scheme of things, their abilities are compared to power houses like Madara, Hashirama, the Kages, Naruto, Sasuke, etc. When that is compared, the Hyuga wouldn't stand out that much.
I agree but why do people make a big deal about Hyuuga being irrelvant in this discussion? I didnt put any emphasize about the HYuugas backstory in my OP. Their abilities shouldn't get mixed up with their relevancy. Maybe if they were stronger they woud be more relevant that's how I see it.

Compare them with the lesser shinobi and they would look strong. There's someone that stronger, even with the view of a whole clan's power in comparison. Another point is that this is the clan that claims that they are the strongest, so they stand out more and people will scrutinize if they really are that strong as they claim to be. Did other clans made such claims? No.
Hyuugas have only ever claimed to be the strongest clan in Konoha. Then it's the fact I'm comparing the HYuuga with the Uchiha and their respective ability level in each clan.


Furthermore, The uchiha needed a Power hungry plot in order to be OP, so saying Sasuke becoming a demigod at the age of 17 isn't much impressive considering he had alot of powerups handed to him and it's all because he's a main cast that needed to progress the story.
How irrelevant. Hyuuga fan once again blaming the plot because they are lesser than the Uchiha.
If the Uchiha are the strongest then every uchiha would've posses MS but nope instead only few rare sharingan user can posses MS. The uchiha are full of dis-functional clan by losing one their team members in order to awaken something powerful.
If every Uchiha possessed the MS, then the clan would've taken over the world. If every Hyuuga were good they wouldn't be weaker than Hinata.

Could've sworn it was said that Sharingan was rare, MS was even rarer, and EMS was basically impossible vs Hyuga were the average Hyuga is born with Byakugan. Now we have to also take into fact that before the massacre it showed a lot of Uchiha with Sharingan which is also confirmed by the wall of eyes Obito had when he implanted Itachi's into Sasuke. So a fair comparison is 3 tomoe sharingan vs average Hyuga but anything above 3 tomoe, MS & EMS would wreck Hyuga imo.

That isn't a fair comparison. Just look at oBito a crybaby fodder in the war arc who gained 2t managed to fight on kid Kakashi level. And Sarada managed to fight on MS shin clones. What was Hinata doing at genin level and she was an elite lmao...



The rotation can stop the ten tails hand / tail a simple fire jutus is not going to cut it plus depends on the strength of the jutus a simple chakra wall is efficient
Rotation to the Hyuuga is what MS is to the Uchiha.
 

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That isn't a fair comparison. Just look at oBito a crybaby fodder in the war arc who gained 2t managed to fight on kid Kakashi level. And Sarada managed to fight on MS shin clones. What was Hinata doing at genin level and she was an elite lmao...
Aren't we basing this on clan abilities overall, not just individuals and their feats? If it is stated that in the Uchiha clan average shinobi could only unlock 3 tomoe while average Hyuga is born with byakugan. To be completely objective in this argument you would basically have to forget individuals. If you keep using the feats of specific Uchiha against feats of specific Hyuga it's easy to make it look like Uchiha are auto better.

You're taking the feats of the only two EMS users Sasuke and Madara, and three MS users Obito, Izuna, Itachi, they are above the average Uchiha in every way. As for Hyuga Neji was a branch family prodigy that taught himself and mastered main branch techniques, he would be considered an elite Hyuga but still above the average as not all Hyuga know how to do this. So average versus average would be 3 tomoe versus regular Hyuga then all it would come down to is each shinobi's individual skill.
 

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Aren't we basing this on clan abilities overall, not just individuals and their feats? If it is stated that in the Uchiha clan average shinobi could only unlock 3 tomoe while average Hyuga is born with byakugan. To be completely objective in this argument you would basically have to forget individuals. If you keep using the feats of specific Uchiha against feats of specific Hyuga it's easy to make it look like Uchiha are auto better.

You're taking the feats of the only two EMS users Sasuke and Madara, and three MS users Obito, Izuna, Itachi, they are above the average Uchiha in every way. As for Hyuga Neji was a branch family prodigy that taught himself and mastered main branch techniques, he would be considered an elite Hyuga but still above the average as not all Hyuga know how to do this. So average versus average would be 3 tomoe versus regular Hyuga then all it would come down to is each shinobi's individual skill.
Obito had no skill before gaining his sharigan. I cant say skill wise Obito was an elite in anyway. You said 3t = average but imo 2t -1 is more than enough to compete or even way above the average because of what Obito did with it.

Average Hyuuga ability would be gentle fist. While the Average Uchiha ability is fire ball/ninjutsu, shuriken jutsu and genjutsu, kenjutsu.
 
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Obito had no skill before gaining his sharigan. I cant say skill wise Obito was an elite in anyway. You said 3t = average but imo 2t -1 is more than enough to compete or even way above the average because of what Obito did with it.

Average Hyuuga ability would be gentle fist. While the Average Uchiha ability is fire ball/ninjutsu, shuriken jutsu and genjutsu, kenjutsu.
Obito get's MS and in turn, Kamui he is beyond elite. If Byakugan is the equivalent to 3 tomoe sharingan in terms of speed tracking then hand to hand Hyuga would win against 2 tomoe Uchiha. Also, why are you downgrading gentle fist as it can easily block all the abilities you just listed except for genjutsu and even then byakugan can help user break out of genjutsu. If you want to use Obito as your basis for average and you say he was nothing before sharingan then actual average Uchiha would also be nothing if they didn't unlock sharingan. If this is true the average Uchiha would have no sharingan meaning all the enhancement they get to their abilities are now gone.
 

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Obito get's MS and in turn, Kamui he is beyond elite. If Byakugan is the equivalent to 3 tomoe sharingan in terms of speed tracking then hand to hand Hyuga would win against 2 tomoe Uchiha. Also, why are you downgrading gentle fist as it can easily block all the abilities you just listed except for genjutsu and even then byakugan can help user break out of genjutsu. If you want to use Obito as your basis for average and you say he was nothing before sharingan then actual average Uchiha would also be nothing if they didn't unlock sharingan. If this is true the average Uchiha would have no sharingan meaning all the enhancement they get to their abilities are now gone.
Obito was a failure like Naruto. If anything he was below average and the bottom of his class like Naruto was. I was only using Obito was an example to show how powerful the sharigan is. The Byakugan isn't equivalent to the 3t and I'm not sure where people are getting this from. Byakugan can be rivaled with pure skills. Sharigan sees through everything.
 

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I don't think the Sharingan being a rarity made the Uchiha Clan relatively weak. The clan itself was stated to be an actual threat to Konoha to the point that they could trigger a World War. The Hyuuga Clan were obviously a part of Konoha alongside multiple other clans meaning that the Uchiha had to be stronger than the Hyuugas to warrant a threat.
 

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I agree but why do people make a big deal about Hyuuga being irrelvant in this discussion? I didnt put any emphasize about the HYuugas backstory in my OP. Their abilities shouldn't get mixed up with their relevancy. Maybe if they were stronger they woud be more relevant that's how I see it.
It's because the Hyuga abilities are still OP but only in the weaker scale. It's still irrelevant due to how much the Uchiha gets all the glory but here's why it's arguable

-It was stated that the gentle fist user can destroy anything that are made of chakra substance. (People brings up that jyuuken can destroy susanoo similar to how neji destroyed water prison or broke the web that are hard than steel ) However it all comes down to how much extent the Hyuga are proficient in tenketsu by inputting chakra which I think there's no point in arguing when the Susanoo has been showcase to be overwhelming in their visual prowes.

If the hyuga have strong chakra reserve like the Uzumaki or enough chakra quantity like the Kyuubi chakra the amount of chakra they have to destroy susanoo depending on which version then it's strong possibility.

- Every Hyuga posses strong chakra control and they can shut their eyes and use their byakugan to avoid being caught and if they're caught in genjutsu they have the ability to break out thanks to their tenketsu as long as they activate their byakugan to realize they're trapped.
They can break out Uchiha genjutsu but If it's itachi especially with tsukoymi then that's complete different story.

- The hyuga are the best clan in terms of CQC. Hyuga are taijutsu specialist so if the The uchiha were too close they would've get rekt.

Not to mention they have good maneuver thanks to their byakugan .


If every Hyuga great degree in accessing with their chakra like for instance when Kaguya uses her Godly vacuum air palm to destroy Sasuke PS, then they would've taken the world.

That's what I meant by powerscale, Kaguya has nearly unlimited chakra.



How irrelevant. Hyuuga fan once again blaming the plot because they are lesser than the Uchiha.
Wrong, in the beginning, they give of impression that the Uchiha were on the same tier with every clan before they were induced to plot in Part 2. MS are obviously a Plot device in order to build up sasuke character. Even the elite shinobi within the clans are still competent enough against MS user even though its arguable they would likely lose.
But once Kishi introduce the EMS, that's when he completely lost his touch with the other clan. So in the nutshell, The Uchiha are fodder compare to EMS Sasuke.
It doesn't take skills for sasuke to become op, all it takes is witness through life tragedy experience which plays huge role in the story in order to become stronger and it's all due to PLOT!

It's like the same thing with the recent filler arc we had in a "what if" scenario, both clans are reversed. This time the hyuga were bit op because of the plot that were given to the main antagonist. Hyuga Tobi who is Neji father uses dimension shifting technique which is almost similar to Obito Kamui.


If every Uchiha possessed the MS, then the clan would've taken over the world. If every Hyuuga were good they wouldn't be weaker than Hinata.
That's a bold statment. How do you know average hyuga are weaker than Hinata?? Are you implying that Hinata is a stronger candidate who could possibly surpass Hiashi based on her performance in the Last Movie??

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I don't think the Sharingan being a rarity made the Uchiha Clan relatively weak. The clan itself was stated to be an actual threat to Konoha to the point that they could trigger a World War. The Hyuuga Clan were obviously a part of Konoha alongside multiple other clans meaning that the Uchiha had to be stronger than the Hyuugas to warrant a threat.
Maybe bcus Hyuuga was a clan of peace. Like China, its a peace loving country, it never invade any countries though out history. But we knew they capable of battle/war.
 
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