[Predictions] Naruto Manga 499 Discussion and 500 Predictions

[irkool_budd]

Ok, let's pretend:

George Bush has 2 daughters, one of them is named Jenna. One day she marries a guy by the name Henry Hager and changes her name from Bush to Hager. Let's say she has a son, his last name will be (drumroll) Hager.

Question: Is the child still part of the 'Bush' family?
Clearly according to you, absolutely not because his family name isn't 'Bush.' However if you were to ask George and Laura Bush if the kid is a 'Bush' they'll say... (drumroll again) Y - E - S!
Because everyone in the world knows not every single grand-child always has the family name of the grand-parent.



Likewise if you're mapping someone's genome, getting thier medical history or w/e, you have to look at both the Paternal side, and the Maternal side despite that they only carry the paternal name.

So... somewhere way back in Naruto history some Senju female may have made a kid with a male Namikaze... or it may have taken more jumps than that... however I cannot believe how people cannot understand something so basic as,"Do you have the same family name as your mother's parents?"

Makes one embarresed to be in the same species....

EDIT: Considering it's been 80 years since the founding of Konaha and even longer since So6 has walked.... there's is an extremely large window where that could have happened.

point taken...bit too harsh tho... anything is possible in narutoverse...like who would have thought that kushina was the previous kyuubi host, right? with that theory of yours, the naruto-senju could be possible but only up to that level of "possibility". Yeah, even in narutowiki, the senju clan do not exist in its entirety, no one alive today has the name senju in there...the only recorded in the narutoverse is the 1st and the 2nd hokage... yeah, somewhere along the gene pool the name senju got replaced by another family or whatever... but come to think of it, if the senju were the originator of the konahagokure, how come the family name was erased throughout the years? And, 2, how come we have a whole bunch of uchiha still alive (till itachi erased them).

"It is unknown if the Senju clan currently still exists as an organization. There are no known people with the Senju name currently alive, although the Fifth Hokage, Tsunade, might be an official Senju. It is very possible that the Senju clan disbanded into smaller clans and families, especially since they never had a specific skill or technique like the Uchiha or Hyūga clans. However, their legacy lives on strongly in the hearts of the people of Konoha." -narutopedia

so with your theory, it is possible that naruto may have come from a bloodline of the senju clan...if naruto's dna would be checked, somewhere in that spiral code of protein, a senju might possibly swing by...but let me jst make it clear, if and only if, but the traces, if ever any, would be far too little to influence that naruto is a descendant of the senju... why? let me explain this to my own level of knowledge... say for example, like what you said that bush thinngy. 50% of each of the parents gene are, generally, distributed to make up the 23 chromosome, more or less. So, if george bush had a daughter then that daughter married a, say for example, lincoln, the child would have at least 12.5% of george bushes' dna. if that child is a girl then marries again, their child would have less than 1% of george's dna... see what i mean? in the 4th generation of from george bush, only 1% of his own dna is acquired... even though the bush's great grandchild has his own dna, but what is 1%, close to negligible! therefore, your theory of change in family is true but it will unlikely be the case...

but who knows, anything is possible, right?

ps. this is the reason why, in my previous post, i don't believe in naruto as a descendant of the best clan there is in narutoverse, unless dear ol' kishi says it so..

Indeed, Madara controlled the kyubi. And yes, i think that he has the potential to control other bijuus as well but not at the same time. Because I don't think its possible to cast genjutsu to more than one person/bijuus at the same time. If he could control the kyubi(the strongest) why can't he controls the other bijuus as well? Its just that he controlled the kyubi which is the strongest.

yeah, i believe this too.. but with let me point out madara's mugen tsukiyomi in his moon eye plan though? hehehehe... yeah, naruto manga is very much complex to comprehend...

 

[Alkad]

Well... lots of predictions and still 10 days to go... The time is too long to wait for manga....

Yeah, that's all we can do. In the meantime, its nice to waste time making predictions.

totally agree

To some other posts (agree/disagree) which are too long to quote. Not having the Senju name does not prove 100% that naruto is not a Senju descendant. However, even if he is, not having that name means that his genes likely to be very different from them. Taking that and that the Senju were not known for any common genetic traits, means that naruto will almost certainly not show any powers inherited from his descendants. Not even Minato had any special power.

If he is a Senju descendant, that may only be to please some people and displease others. This is a manga about will and ambition, not about how some people are born powerful or from powerful families - that's pretty much the motto of the story

 

[~Falcon~]

awesome chapter. really loved it Naruto is SO6P. wow
But one thing is bugging me how could the fourth hokage seal the nine tailed fox in Naruto. He used reaper seal jutsu but the one who performs the jutsu dies as soon as the soul of the opponent is sealed and kusina being the ex-host,how did it come out. Did the seal break? many questions. Can someone xplain??

 

[Caliburn]

awesome chapter. really loved it Naruto is SO6P. wow
But one thing is bugging me how could the fourth hokage seal the nine tailed fox in Naruto. He used reaper seal jutsu but the one who performs the jutsu dies as soon as the soul of the opponent is sealed and kusina being the ex-host,how did it come out. Did the seal break? many questions. Can someone xplain??

*sigh*

For the 10 000th time Naruto is not the SO6P -_-

Does he have the Rinnegan? No = not being the SO6P also the SO6P seperated himself into eyes and body = Uchiha and Senju, so it's impossible for Naruto to be the SO6P because of this division.

It also has already been said in this thread that the Reaper Dead Seal was used to separate the yin and yang chakra of the Fox. To seal the Fox in Naruto a four element seal was used.

What the circumstances were are still unknown, no one ones them. Maybe some of them will be answered next week.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Here's a prediction for chapter 500 I thought of.

Chapter 500: 16 Years

Naruto: You were the previous host of the Nine-Tails?

Kushina: Yes. Konoha's First Hokage, Hashirama Senju, divided the power of the tailed beasts so that each country would receive an equal share. He decided to give the most powerful of all, the Nine-Tailed Fox, to the Whirlpool Country.

Naruto: Whirlpool?

Kushina: It's not a well-known place, and that was exactly what Hashirama wanted. There were those who made several attempts to get their hands on it in the past, so Hashirama decided to hide it - over the years, the beast faded into obscurity, but a recurring problem kept emerging; no single host was powerful enough to keep the fox in check.

Naruto: So that was when they sealed it into you.

Kushina: Correct. As I told you before, my chakra has a unique quality to it, and the Whirlpool higher-ups thought they could use this to their advantage. But no one was an expert on seals from where I came from, so that was when I moved to Konoha. The fact that I was the host of the Nine-Tails was kept an S-rank secret, with only a few select individuals who knew.

Kushina: When I was kidnapped at fifteen years old by Kumogakure, I suspected information had somehow gotten out and they knew I was the host, but I couldn't be sure, so I chose to remain silent as they were taking me away. That was when Minato saved me - somehow I felt like he was someone I completely confide in, so I eventually told him about the beast sealed within me.

Kushina: It didn't change his opinion of me at all, and for that I was very grateful. He was the only other person to treat me with kindness back then.

Kushina: The years went by, and I finally found the peace in my life I had searched for so long. And before I knew it, you came into the picture, and I realized I was going to be a mother. I foresaw with happiness the future, but there was no one who expected the events that were going to take place on the night of your birth.

Naruto: What happened?

Kushina: That day, October tenth, was calmer than usual. Minato saw nothing wrong in it, but I had a premonition. I couldn't place it then, but I shook it off and decided that it was due to my anxiety of the fact that I was to be giving birth soon.

Kushina: The feeling went away, and giving birth to you, I found I was completely captivated by you. Joy took over my world, but it went just as quickly as it came. Minato was called away to the Hokage Tower on the grounds of emergency, and there I was in the hospital, emotion swelling in my heart at the mere sight of you.

Kushina: But something else drove fear into the deepest pits of my being. That same feeling I experienced the morning of October tenth returned, and I soon found out why.

Kushina: Someone approached me that night, a very powerful ninja. After giving birth to you, I found myself drained of energy, unable to present any resistance to this person's intentions. And for some reason, this time, I knew that nothing was going to save me.

Kushina: It quickly became clear to me that he was after the Nine-Tailed Fox.

Naruto: Who was it?!

Kushina: I'm sure you've already met him. The masked man from Akatsuki.

Naruto: Him?! How did he know?!

Kushina: That was the same question I asked myself that night. How could he have found out? Unfortunately there is no answer. My being the host of the Nine-Tailed Fox was supposed to be an S-rank secret, but somehow information was leaked and he found out.

Kushina: Without any hesitation, the man captured me and I vanished from plain sight. Konoha soon reported me as missing.

Naruto: Captured?! Where was dad?!

Kushina: I don't know, but I am confident that he searched for many hours, but not even he found me. In some unspecified location, that man entered my mind, and it was there I realized what he wanted to do.

Naruto: To release the Nine-Tails on Konoha!

Kushina: Yes. Upon performing that act, the fox, strangely enough, seemed familiar with this person. He howled a number of imprecations, raging for this man's flesh, but I also knew that the fox was powerless against this person. Nothing was going to stop what was soon to come, and I knew that. In my last moments, I could only witness the destruction that was soon to take place.

Kushina: The Nine-Tails took my mind over, heading for Konoha, still controlled by this man. There was only one way to defeat the fox, and Minato died using this option. He sealed the Nine-Tails into you, hoping that you would be able to use its power, for he knew that you would have to encounter this man one day.

Naruto: He...he's behind every single thing that went wrong in my life! Your death, dad's death, Sasuke's life tainted to one of revenge and anger, Konoha's destruction. It was all him!

Kushina: That's right. And that is why you must defeat him. You are the only one capable of overcoming the things he has in store for this world. Peace, safety to the ninja world...Naruto, it is you who must bring these things to the world.

Naruto: I know. He must be stopped!

Kushina: Everyone has faith in you, Naruto, myself included, so you must as well. Remember, good things can happen, all it takes is a little time to understand one another...the pain can be healed. Someone, somewhere, has given you this lesson before.

Naruto: Thank you, mom...and you're right. "Faith is better than any plan!"

END 500

And that is my prediction. Hope you all enjoy.

 

[donnic]

wait, what!!! the ch. is not coming out this week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nooo! ugh
its too long i tell you! but then again does ANYONE else have the impression that kishi is suddenly rushing to the end of the series it just seems to me everything is going to fast then what it use to (around the time of the pain attack and everything before that.)

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Could be, eh? That's not good enough. What we can do is keep on sticking whatever things we saw in the manga. I don't think its a translation error. Why the apostrophe is put just after PATHS. Thats intention and not an error. Or else there are many places to insert the apostrophe.



Well said. :y

But he also never said "This is the Sage of the Six Paths' sealing technique". It's still too vague. We know Naruto is Naruto. The Sage of the Six Path's is dead, and Naruto is his own person. But that does not mean that some form of the Sage, or something to do with the sage, does not reside in Naruto.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

If he is a Senju descendant, that may only be to please some people and displease others. This is a manga about will and ambition, not about how some people are born powerful or from powerful families - that's pretty much the motto of the story

Actually I have to disagree. Regardless of the motto of the story it is pretty obvious that Kishi is going somewhere with the So6P's, Senju, Uchiha tale. It is far too developed and mirrored in Naruto and Sasuke's relationship to be just some random back story. If the picture of Naruto in the last chapter in a form similar to the So6P's in addition to the Kyuubi's statement isn't enough to convince you and some others of the connection I guess we'll all just have to wait until Kishi puts it in black and white.

Does he have the Rinnegan? No = not being the SO6P also the SO6P separated himself into eyes and body = Uchiha and Senju, so it's impossible for Naruto to be the SO6P because of this division.

You're right Naruto doesn't have Rinnegan and is not the So6P's himself but the link to his younger son is clear. The Sage did not separate himself into eyes and body, he had two sons, one who inherited the eyes (the older son) and one who inherited the body (the younger son.) Nowhere does it say that they were the Senju and Uchiha, what it says is that from those lineages developed the Senju and the Uchiha (as well as the Hyuuga.) It is entirely possible that Naruto inherited blood from both lines, from only the younger son (this last chapter makes that theory all but fact) or a double dose through both parents of the younger son's So6P's body. In any case you can look back a few pages to see my theory on where this is going but as far as where it is, the logical answer is that Naruto is a direct descendent of the Sage's younger son and thus the Sage himself.

That also means that Nagato was a direct descendent of the Sage's older son for him to activate the Rinnegan and he was neither clearly Uchiha nor Hyuuga which should lead people to the conclusion that there is more to that lineage than two clans. Without a full family tree which we will likely never see, it would be impossible to track the gene's of those two sons down through the generations however in my mind at least the connections are clear and serve a purpose.

point taken...bit too harsh though... anything is possible in narutoverse...like who would have thought that kushina was the previous kyuubi host, right? with that theory of yours, the naruto-senju could be possible but only up to that level of "possibility". Yeah, even in narutowiki, the senju clan do not exist in its entirety, no one alive today has the name senju in there...the only recorded in the narutoverse is the 1st and the 2nd hokage... yeah, somewhere along the gene pool the name senju got replaced by another family or whatever... but come to think of it, if the senju were the originator of the konahagokure, how come the family name was erased throughout the years? And, 2, how come we have a whole bunch of uchiha still alive (till itachi erased them).

Keep in mind Narutowiki etc... doesn't have any insider information. It is written by people like us who read the manga and watch the anime. It's nice for remembering stuff forgotten a couple hundred chapters ago but not a real great source of proving something to be true or not. I think I explained what I think about the Senju line theory above pretty well but I do have another theory in regard to the Uchiha. Name one Uchiha female who has been shown with Sharingan or unmarried to an Uchiha male? My theory is that the Uchiha do not produce females. This would answer why there seemed to be a bunch of Uchiha but no Senju. Especially if you consider that the only Senju males we know of are the 1st, and 2nd hokages. I think that it is quite likely we will end up with a direct tie to the Senju for Naruto based on the hints about Tsunade's son being Minato but that is another can or worms entirely.

wait, what!!! the ch. is not coming out this week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nooo! ugh
its too long i tell you! but then again does ANYONE else have the impression that kishi is suddenly rushing to the end of the series it just seems to me everything is going to fast then what it use to (around the time of the pain attack and everything before that.)

Not really I think right now Kishi is tying up some loose ends along with setting up the next few major events. We still have so much that we know about to play out. Kushina is about to give some back story, Kisame is still hiding in Samehada with Bee, Sasuke's eyes have yet to be revealed, the next great war, the mooneyes plan, What Kabuto has over Madara if it is really Madara (I'm not saying it's not but there is still some doubt about who or what Madara really is), what Itachi's gift was, Sasuke vs. Naruto, The world vs. Madara, how it all ties to the So6P's, etc... If you figure there are at least a few chapters to each of those plus all the preparation stuff, back story, training, incidental battles I'm willing to bet we have at least a hundred chapters if not more. I'm of course hoping for more I could read Naruto until I'm old and wrinkled as long as the story holds my interest like the last 499 chapters have.

Keep in mind these are just my opinions and anything I mention not spelled out as 100% fact in the manga is a theory.

 

[irkool_budd]

Keep in mind Narutowiki etc... doesn't have any insider information. It is written by people like us who read the manga and watch the anime. It's nice for remembering stuff forgotten a couple hundred chapters ago but not a real great source of proving something to be true or not. I think I explained what I think about the Senju line theory above pretty well but I do have another theory in regard to the Uchiha. Name one Uchiha female who has been shown with Sharingan or unmarried to an Uchiha male? My theory is that the Uchiha do not produce females. This would answer why there seemed to be a bunch of Uchiha but no Senju. Especially if you consider that the only Senju males we know of are the 1st, and 2nd hokages. I think that it is quite likely we will end up with a direct tie to the Senju for Naruto based on the hints about Tsunade's son being Minato but that is another can or worms entirely.

hehehehe...yeah, when i read the entire page regarding the senju i was like, this is obvious, aint it? hehehe... was jst proving something that is obvious, obviously... about the uchiha thinggy, i think i saw somewhere in the anime a female uchiha with a sharingan, tho i might jst mistook it as a woman coz it had long hair....

 

[WhiteRabbit]

hehehehe...yeah, when i read the entire page regarding the senju i was like, this is obvious, aint it? hehehe... was jst proving something that is obvious, obviously... about the uchiha thinggy, i think i saw somewhere in the anime a female uchiha with a sharingan, tho i might jst mistook it as a woman coz it had long hair....

Sorry I didn't pick up on that, so I guess I obviously made the obvious point you were making more obvious.O.O hehe The Uchiha deal was just something that came to me while I was reading that, I didn't go back and check but a lot of those Uchiha do look like girls so who knows. They could just give anyone with Sharingan the Uchiha name though and bring them into the clan. If you or anyone else run across an Uchiha female with Sharingan I'd love to have the chapter # or anime # so I could go look.

 

[Holy Cowboy]

Indeed, Madara controlled the kyubi. And yes, i think that he has the potential to control other bijuus as well but not at the same time. Because I don't think its possible to cast genjutsu to more than one person/bijuus at the same time. If he could control the kyubi(the strongest) why can't he controls the other bijuus as well? Its just that he controlled the kyubi which is the strongest.

He can control the kyuubi due to the MS/EMS ( special ability and all the crap. ) Not other bijuus unless Kishi powers up the sharingan ( again ). For the genjutsu bit, frog song. Madara can't control the others ( yet ) due to Sharingan specific ability ness. If control of other beasts is granted, most likely it will be through specific bijuu statue jutsu or a jin.

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

He can control the kyuubi due to the MS/EMS ( special ability and all the crap. ) Not other bijuus unless Kishi powers up the sharingan ( again ). For the genjutsu bit, frog song. Madara can't control the others ( yet ) due to Sharingan specific ability ness. If control of other beasts is granted, most likely it will be through specific bijuu statue jutsu or a jin.

From what I have understood from reading the manga all these years is that the Sharingan can use genjutsu on any animal to control it like Sasuke using genjutsu on Manda or whatever that big snake. When Itachi and Sasuke fought in that secret Uchiha place there was the sign of the fox. So that means out of all the bijuus a Uchiha can control the Kyuubi the most powerful one. But I am quite sure one needs at least the MS or EMS to control it.

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Naruto is weak against genjutsus we all knows it. Guys can you tell me what if Naruto is in Sage Mode will it help him to counter genjutsu

 

[Holy Cowboy]

From what I have understood from reading the manga all these years is that the Sharingan can use genjutsu on any animal to control it like Sasuke using genjutsu on Manda or whatever that big snake. When Itachi and Sasuke fought in that secret Uchiha place there was the sign of the fox. So that means out of all the bijuus a Uchiha can control the Kyuubi the most powerful one. But I am quite sure one needs at least the MS or EMS to control it.

Yes, basically what I said minus the animal bit. Animal doesn't = bijuu. Any genjutsu user ( with enough skill and what not ) can genjutsu an animal. Controling a bijuu is a different story.

 

[niblack89]

Naruto isn't the SO6P. I would say that he is more like the embodiment of the younger brother same ideals as goal. The sage was reborn as Nagato. He had the eyes and body of the sage. I would go as far as to say Sasuke is the embodiment of the older brother.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I'll be very surprised if that guy isn't banned before I finish dinner.

 

[Hachibi]

Anyone who doubts the Naruto (body) and Sasuke (eye) theory should check this out. Also if anyone doubts him possibly being the Sage of Six Paths, this could make it more clear maybe that he could be.

I was rereading some chapters and on Chapter 462 Naruto has a run in with Madara where Madara says:

"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you. I can see the first hokage in you."

Also WhiteRabbit it does state in this chapter that the sons that inherited the eyes and the body were the Senju and Uchiha Clan.

 

[kawaii_sakura]

this has to b the BEST chapter ever!!!!!!!!!!!!! kishi has outdone himself...i was at the dge of my seat with my eyes popping! who wud hav guessed Kushina to b the prev host!.....Naruto sure looks like the SO6...wonder wats gonna b next......

irs gonna b a long wait 4 the nxt chapter.....i wanna double treat!!!!

 

[WhiteRabbit]

Anyone who doubts the Naruto (body) and Sasuke (eye) theory should check this out. Also if anyone doubts him possibly being the Sage of Six Paths, this could make it more clear maybe that he could be.

I was rereading some chapters and on Chapter 462 Naruto has a run in with Madara where Madara says:

"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you. I can see the first hokage in you."

Also WhiteRabbit it does state in this chapter that the sons that inherited the eyes and the body were the Senju and Uchiha Clan.

You should reread that.

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It clearly says that even though their blood had thinned the descendants of the brothers still warred with each other.

 

[irkool_budd]

Sorry I didn't pick up on that, so I guess I obviously made the obvious point you were making more obvious.O.O hehe The Uchiha deal was just something that came to me while I was reading that, I didn't go back and check but a lot of those Uchiha do look like girls so who knows. They could just give anyone with Sharingan the Uchiha name though and bring them into the clan. If you or anyone else run across an Uchiha female with Sharingan I'd love to have the chapter # or anime # so I could go look.

sure thing dude! if i can, well let you know...

I'll be very surprised if that guy isn't banned before I finish dinner.

who this u referring to? hehehe...hope not me

Anyone who doubts the Naruto (body) and Sasuke (eye) theory should check this out. Also if anyone doubts him possibly being the Sage of Six Paths, this could make it more clear maybe that he could be.

I was rereading some chapters and on Chapter 462 Naruto has a run in with Madara where Madara says:

"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you. I can see the first hokage in you."

Also WhiteRabbit it does state in this chapter that the sons that inherited the eyes and the body were the Senju and Uchiha Clan.

take note of that passage and try to pick up the words one by one... "but i can tell the fire of the senju clan dwells within you"... tho that may have a lot of interpretations/misinterpretations, but let me jst try to answer that in 3 words = "will of fire"...
its just like when you say like, hey i can see ur mother in you, but that doesnt mean that you are your mother... resemblance in physical stature or maybe a single particular trait that is familiar that you see in a person from another person... resemblance...

Naruto is weak against genjutsus we all knows it. Guys can you tell me what if Naruto is in Sage Mode will it help him to counter genjutsu

naruto would be in trouble even so... even KB was made a fool when sasuke before...i think the only hope is when he can control full kyubi... till then, naruto is a sitting duck.