Rikodou Naruto's SM?

[shelke]

I'm still surprised how you can bring the information yourself and still be wrong ... :lol

First of all, this is the Six Path Mode, which RSM Naruto uses:


This is the Six Path Coffin Seal, which Madara and Obito used.


To finish off this part, we already made the connection of SO6P Senjutsu, which is correlated to the SO6P power. Something that both Hagoromo and Hamura share, which is why they had TSB against the Juubi. Doesn't offer anything worthy when:

Naruto received the power from Hagoromo
Madara noted that Obito received the power from Sage Chakra.

And by your definition, it's already wrong because it says by acquiring the power of all ten tailed beasts, that it unlocks that power.. Something that Obito didn't even accomplish until he used the Seal, yet created a TSB alone from Sage power like we explained. This also doesn't change the fact that the DB4 explains the creation of the TSB:


So what you are nitpicking at?

It's said acquiring the Bijuu power is the same as acquiring the Sage power, meaning they are still two different concepts, but still retaining the same origin.

I don't even know what this argument is for. I'm assuming your referring to the fact that Obito received Sage power from Madara?


How does that change the fact that Madara himself noted the power came from Sage Chakra :lol

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If you are talking about the Six Paths Coffin Seal, then that's the only argumentation you have. RSM? Not a chance. Especially when Naruto was given Sage Chakra from Hagoromo himself which from the DB statement, is the equivalent of having all of the Bijuu's power.

Meaning he wouldn't need even more of that power to fuel something he already has, which was stated a few times already.


The top caption says that when it seemed that Madara was making Obito use Rinne Rebirth, Obito was actually weaving the sings for the Six Paths Ten Tails Coffin Seal. The middle caption says that the caster condenses and absorbs the ten tailed beasts into himself, awakening ("blossoming") their original power (本来の力, primal power, essential power).

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You do realize they used the same technique.... right?

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Let's see.

Madara/Obito use SPCS, which explained, "The middle caption says that the caster condenses and absorbs the ten tailed beasts into himself, awakening ("blossoming") their original power (本来の力, primal power, essential power)."

I'm wondering if you realize why Madara/Obito weren't capable of utilizing the Tailed Beasts power, as in their KKG abilities, and why Naruto was:

Madara and Obito condense the 9 beats into themselves.
Naruto receives their chakra in proportions

Madara and Obito gained a full set of TSB once they used the Coffin Seal.
Naruto received the TSB after receiving Hagoromo's chakra, which is Sage Power.

The manga and Databook surely agree with one of this, for sure.


Man this is silly. Sasuke explained that Naruto's Bijuu chakra wasn't even enough to beat him. I'm still waiting for a coherent reply as to why Sasuke would inform Naruto that his current supply isn't enough to stalemate Sasuke.

... Oh wait that's exactly what Sasuke did. After taking in that large amount of Bijuu chakra, he outclassed the small amount of Bijuu's that Naruto had in his body. Which is why Sasuke said in VIZ, "You only hold a little piece of each Bijuu's chakra ... You can't win against me now"

In comparison to SPCS, which literally absorbs the Bijuu's into their body, Naruto only took in small amounts of their chakra :lol

Yeah, Naruto unlocking TSB because he received Sage power from the source says all I need to know. I'm pretty sure everything said above supports that argument.


She ate the fruit and received Sage power, which is why her children had TSB without being in contact with Bijuu directly.


Yeah I'm starting to realize the difference between someone who can properly read the manga and then what you are reading :lol

> Hagoromo explains how Asura received his power

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> Hagoromo explains that after witnessing Asura's 'way' he decided to follow suit and do the same with the Tailed Beast, directly tarnashing any pivotal aspect of Asura using Bijuu power. Especially when the STORY flows in motion with Asura gaining his own power, and Hagoromo being inspired. :lol

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What kind of person thinks "By suffering hard and training hard, the chakra within his body bloomed and he gained the same power as his brother"

Yeah and Indra uses Bijuu chakra too, huh? What's next?

Gonna keep this mighty short:

- Yeah, it's clearly stated. I have no desire to teach you basic syntax.

- No, they do not. As SOP acquired the power in a different manner. Which means everyone else falls under the different heading, as they are acquiring the power THAT SOSP had. Still reaching, I see, as this is not even the remote possibility with that line. I mean, Jesus, "it means different things...!" Is that what you are going to play at now?

- I love the fact how you are repeatedly ignoring the TSBs explanation that fall under the SOP Senjutsu heading that sate that Bijuu power is required. It's as if that is null and void. Classic!

- Right, because he didn't talk about Obito stealing Bijuu chakra at all - and well before it at that? Oh wait, he did!

- Yeah, not going to do this again.

- And?

- So, you agree that they gained the SOP body after assimilating the chakra?

- What is condensing? It's nothing but chakra assimilation. They don't have any control over the chakra. Naruto does. He is the meeting point because of the chakra the sage gave him. Not to mention you seem to ignore this:

Kekkei Genkai Ninjutsu used by Obito and Madara. Taking the ten bodies of the tailed beasts into oneself, becoming a jinchuriki and gaining their power. It goes on to say that it's difficult to control the tailed beasts and that this can cause the user to have a psychological collapse.

Naruto is past the psychological collapse stage. Not to mention the fact that Naruto, Obito or Madara are NOT SOSP. So what you are showing me is absurd, when Naruto is a third-rate cheap knock off of the Sage. Obito and Madara would be a lot closer as they possess all tailed-beasts, the Mezo for condensation and Rinnegan for its output, the natural chakra sprout for Sage's Senjutsu.

The sage gave Naruto and Sasuke half his chakra. His chakra is NE based. That is half the problem Naruto would already bypass, as he already has a solid footing to attain a chunk of that power; a power the other two can only get through proper Mezo condensation. The other half is solved because he can communicate and can manipulate their chakra. The other two cannot. For Sasuke it resulted in a Rinnegan mutation, for Naruto it resulted in Senjutsu as he has the Bijuu chakra; the other half of the equation.

The only reason he isn't a Jubi Jin, is because he lacks the Mezo and the assimilation it provides. God, I cannot make this simple enough.

- Right, so that is what it means? Where is the syntax to back this up?

- No.

- That is not what those scans even remotely imply, as the DB and the manga state that he gained shit.

- Power means he gained a chakra gene of his father? Pulled it out of his ass? Still waiting for that manga panel.

 

[lndra]

Gonna keep this mighty short:

- Yeah, it's clearly stated. I have no desire to teach you basic syntax.

- No, they do not. As SOP acquired the power in a different manner. Which means everyone else falls under the different heading, as they are acquiring the power THAT SOSP had. Still reaching, I see, as this is not even the remote possibility with that line. I mean, Jesus, "it means different things...!" Is that what you are going to play at now?

- I love the fact how you are repeatedly ignoring the TSBs explanation that fall under the SOP Senjutsu heading that sate that Bijuu power is required. It's as if that is null and void. Classic!

- Right, because he didn't talk about Obito stealing Bijuu chakra at all - and well before it at that? Oh wait, he did!

- Yeah, not going to do this again.

- And?

- So, you agree that they gained the SOP body after assimilating the chakra?

- What is condensing? It's nothing but chakra assimilation. They don't have any control over the chakra. Naruto does. He is the meeting point because of the chakra the sage gave him. Not to mention you seem to ignore this:

> I don't think I need you to explain something that's already there

> "To acquire the power of the ten tailed beasts is the same as possessing the power of the Sage of Six Paths,"
- Using the SPCS, they gain the same power of the Sage of Six Paths. Whom was already on a level capable of fighting the Juubi with his Rinnegan, and TSB, noted from the flash back. None of which came from anything he wasn't born with. Hagoromo later sealed the Juubi in himself, before he had children.

> It's quite contradictory that you ignore the fact that Naruto, Hamura, and Hagoromo all received Sage power which gave them TSB, and then try to connect it to the Bijuu's! Despite their connection, it's obvious that there's three ways to gain Sage Power via Manga:
- Being born with the power; Hagoromo & Hamura
- Being gifted the power: Naruto
- Recreating the power via Tailed Beast: Madara & Obito.

Yet for some reason, your still trying to prove a nonexistent point when the DB4 already states that you need to condense the Tailed Beast (not just their chakra, but the beasts themselves) into your body. Yeah.

> Did you forget that the DB4 stated the power only forms when you combine the Beasts together? :lol
- Which is why Madara noted that the TSB formed when he used Sage Power

> I agree that they gained their power from becoming the Jinchuriki of all the Tailed beast by placing them all inside of their body. Yes.

> Don't really see the connection here when Naruto already received half of Hagoromo's Sage power, meaning he doesn't need the Bijuu's to form RSM. Despite this, the DB4 even stated that you needed to combine the Bijuu's together, not their chakra, but the living breathing Bijuu's to reach that form. Yet Naruto who already has Rikudou chakra, needs it? Yeah reading comprehension isn't somehow connecting the obvious here.

Naruto is past the psychological collapse stage. Not to mention the fact that Naruto, Obito or Madara are NOT SOSP. So what you are showing me is absurd, when Naruto is a third-rate cheap knock off of the Sage. Obito and Madara would be a lot closer as they possess all tailed-beasts, the Mezo for condensation and Rinnegan for its output, the natural chakra sprout for Sage's Senjutsu.

Naruto only received half of Hagoromo's power. Madara and Obito recreated his power by assimilating the Tailed Beasts together into their bodies, Naruto received the power from Hagoromo himself.

I mean it can't be that self explanatory. But it is :lol

The sage gave Naruto and Sasuke half his chakra. His chakra is NE based. That is half the problem Naruto would already bypass, as he already has a solid footing to attain a chunk of that power; a power the other two can only get through proper Mezo condensation. The other half is solved because he can communicate and can manipulate their chakra. The other two cannot. For Sasuke it resulted in a Rinnegan mutation, for Naruto it resulted in Senjutsu as he has the Bijuu chakra; the other half of the equation.

Er, no.

RSM is activated through the already formed Rikudou power that Naruto received from Hagoromo himself. Implying an assumption that Naruto needs Bijuu chakra to create a form when it doesn't state it, is beyond reaching. There's a reason why DB4 calls RSM a Gift, and why Sasuke notes that Naruto and himself were blessed with Rikudou powers which is why they were capable of using these new feats. It's because they attained these powers directly from the source. Isn't it obvious? Naruto didn't need a similar Coffin Seal implication because he already had the formed power which is only obtainable a different way through combining the Bijuu's into your body (not the chakra, but the Tailed Beasts themselves).

The only reason he isn't a Jubi Jin, is because he lacks the Mezo and the assimilation it provides. God, I cannot make this simple enough.

Reason why he isn't a Juubi Jin is because he doesn't need the Mezo, nor does he need to combine the tailed beasts in his body.

- Right, so that is what it means? Where is the syntax to back this up?

In the Manga & DB.

- No.

Yes.

- That is not what those scans even remotely imply, as the DB and the manga state that he gained shit.

Post the DB

Too bad the Manga states he gained power through hard work, cooperation in others, and believing in himself. It resulted in him blooming chakra from his body

- Power means he gained a chakra gene of his father? Pulled it out of his ass? Still waiting for that manga panel.

And yet the Manga proves that Hagoromo split the Juubi after being inspired by Asura.

Ignoring the Manga is a nice one :lol

 

[shelke]

SNIP

Still the same old thing. The DB makes it clear, and it puts in under the Senjutsu heading. That is ALL one needs to know. Same is the same with Ashura, as both the manga and the DB make it plain as hell that he got a short end of the stick at birth. Case closed.

 

[lndra]

Still the same old thing. The DB makes it clear, and it puts in under the Senjutsu heading. That is ALL one needs to know. Same is the same with Ashura, as both the manga and the DB make it plain as hell that he got a short end of the stick at birth. Case closed.

Definitely case closed after reading my last post.

 

[shelke]

Definitely case closed after reading my last post.

Self-pats on the back sure are trendy on NB.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Self-pats on the back sure are trendy on NB.

he's right and you are wrong...you can gain truth seeking balls without 1 drop of tailed beast chakra...see toneri otsutsuki

 

[shelke]

he's right and you are wrong...you can gain truth seeking balls without 1 drop of tailed beast chakra...see toneri otsutsuki

The same movie where Naruto used KBs well before he ever stole the scroll? Nobody is converting you. Trust me.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

The same movie where Naruto used KBs well before he ever stole the scroll? Nobody is converting you. Trust me.

yes that same movie...youre still wrong

 

[HENI]

His Rikudou chakra remains stored away and inactive until he needs it. When he doesn't need that much power, he just uses his own chakra for TSM. It's important to distinguish between:

RSM - Rikudou senjutsu.
RSBM - Rikudou senjutsu, chakra of the nine tailed beasts.
RBSM - Rikudou chakra, natural energy and 100% Kurama.

This is called Six Paths Sage Mode.

 

[shelke]

@Shelke may I please get the source of that databook translation? I'll edit this post with a response later.

It was taken from NF a long time ago. Convert this into a link as the forum censors it:

http: // www dot narutoforums dot com / showpost.php?p=52468922&postcount=150

And no, I am done with this debate.

 

[Chaosmark101]

It was taken from NF a long time ago. Convert this into a link as the forum censors it:

http: // www dot narutoforums dot com / showpost.php?p=52468922&postcount=150

And no, I am done with this debate.

Thank you for the link will do, & of course. Sorta thought there was no need after the back & forth you & Indra had yesterday.