Rikodou Naruto's SM?

[Gerkak]

Dont know how to do anything else I'm on a phone

You can quote multiple times in your post, you don't need to post more than once. I don't know about now but to my knowledge double posting or more is against the rules

 

[TheSages456]

narutos six paths sage mode comes from him drawing on the power of all 9 biju. he has no natural six paths chakra. the only way that he can produce the six paths sage chakra is by drawing on all of the bijus power, which grants him six paths sage mode.

 

[Jokule67]

So what explains his base mode being empowered and him flying in The Last? Obviously, that can't be done without Rikodou chakra, which again implies that his BSM had Rikodou chakra involved.



That I understand...



It was shown to be empowered in The Last where he could throw FRS and that also like a guided missile. And his BSM (BM+SM) was shown to be capable of flight which couldn't happen with his own Ashura chakra. Obviously, Rikodou chakra was involved in the SM part of BSM.



LOL, I don't look at things with that level of simplicity. The complex details are important to a considerable extent, aren't they?



It has nothing to do with my information. It wasn't stated or clarified anywhere. I'm only making judgement as logical as possible.

Even Sasuke has to actually USE six paths chakra. All his jutsu are not six paths chakra based. They still have their own chakra. And Naruto has gained full control over all his powers he can channel into it without having to fully transform.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

narutos six paths sage mode comes from him drawing on the power of all 9 biju. he has no natural six paths chakra. the only way that he can produce the six paths sage chakra is by drawing on all of the bijus power, which grants him six paths sage mode.

He must have natural Six Paths Senjutsu chakra since the the quantity of the bijuus chakra is quite low. He wouldn't be able to fight the entire war that way.

 

[Jokule67]

You can quote multiple times in your post, you don't need to post more than once. I don't know about now but to my knowledge double posting or more is against the rules

I know that. I just dont really care. If they wanna ban me I couldnt care less.

 

[TheSages456]

He must have natural Six Paths Senjutsu chakra since the the quantity of the bijuus chakra is quite low. He wouldn't be able to fight the entire war that way.

"The Nine Tails was still living inside Naruto. There were also remnants of the other 8 bijuu inside him as well. In that way, you could say he was a human pillar for the power of the Ten Tails. In the last war, Obito had become a human pillar for the Ten Tails and gained chakra rivalling that of the Sage of the Six Paths. Naruto, who’d taken the bijuu into him as well, had some of the Sage’s power even now."

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[BlacLord™]

If he retained his own chakra, then the answer to this question would be really easy. But now he has Rikodou chakra instead of his own chakra (proved by his base mode being empowered).



Those are self given terms, aren't they?

As are all terms surrounding this. The only thing for certain is that nine tomoe and a Rinnegan symbol indicate Rikudou Senjutsu, which he doesn't have on his cloaked back now. I don't recall Naruto being empowered in Base. I remember Naruto being able to use the Kurama air claw, but otherwise...?

As far as I'm aware, he must have both his own and Rikudou chakra. If his own chakra was Ootsutsuki, he'd have permanent tomoe markings on his chest.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Even Sasuke has to actually USE six paths chakra. All his jutsu are not six paths chakra based. They still have their own chakra.

Just like how his PS was empowered by Rikodou's chakra, all his jutsus are also empowered similarly. Just like his Chidori in The Last. IMO, his base mode is empowered just like Naruto, definitely because of Rikodou chakra. I get your point about "using", but what proof do you have that Sasuke uses certain jutsus with his own chakra and certain with Rikodou chakra? And that all of his jutsus are not Six Paths based by default?

And Naruto has gained full control over all his powers he can channel into it without having to fully transform.

This explains how Naruto use jutsus with Six Paths chakra which clarifies the guided FRS part since it was created with Rikodou chakra, but how will it explain the flight in BSM unless Rikodou chakra is involved in SM? You can't fly just by drawing in chakra, you have to be in a related mode.

 

[Gerkak]

"The Nine Tails was still living inside Naruto. There were also remnants of the other 8 bijuu inside him as well. In that way, you could say he was a human pillar for the power of the Ten Tails. In the last war, Obito had become a human pillar for the Ten Tails and gained chakra rivalling that of the Sage of the Six Paths. Naruto, who’d taken the bijuu into him as well, had some of the Sage’s power even now."

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Novels aren't canon

 

[The Demon Hawk]

I know that. I just dont really care. If they wanna ban me I couldnt care less.

At most, they'll cast a single infraction for disobeying the rules, not ban I hope. But yeah, this is a policy. I got my first warning with this.

"The Nine Tails was still living inside Naruto. There were also remnants of the other 8 bijuu inside him as well. In that way, you could say he was a human pillar for the power of the Ten Tails. In the last war, Obito had become a human pillar for the Ten Tails and gained chakra rivalling that of the Sage of the Six Paths. Naruto, who’d taken the bijuu into him as well, had some of the Sage’s power even now."

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Not canon.
BTW, @red That's the key part. It means Naruto only has fragments of their chakra which isn't enough to keep him in RSM for that long. Plus, drawing in bijuus chakra will give Juubi's chakra, not RSM.

As are all terms surrounding this. The only thing for certain is that nine tomoe and a Rinnegan symbol indicate Rikudou Senjutsu, which he doesn't have on his cloaked back now. I don't recall Naruto being empowered in Base. I remember Naruto being able to use the Kurama air claw, but otherwise...?

As far as I'm aware, he must have both his own and Rikudou chakra. If his own chakra was Ootsutsuki, he'd have permanent tomoe markings on his chest.

So do you mean he isn't using RSM now since he doesn't have the 9 tomoe and Rinnegan? And Base Naruto was definitely a tier above his former base as shown in The Last.

Can't really say for sure. I've made the same point to others in the same thread, but how come BSM Naruto can fly if SM utilizes his own chakra and not Rikodou chakra?

 

[TheSages456]

Novels aren't canon

of course they are. they are official works of the series under the naruto new era project.

Not canon.
BTW, @red That's the key part. It means Naruto only has fragments of their chakra which isn't enough to keep him in RSM for that long. Plus, drawing in bijuus chakra will give Juubi's chakra, not RSM.

@underlined-according to who?

@bold-says who?
you're coming to ridiculous conclusions when its already clear cut stated that the source of narutos sage power comes from having all of the biju.

the juubis power grants its jinchuriki six paths senjutsu. possessing 9 biju is blatantly stated to give the same power as the juubi.

 

[Jokule67]

Just like how his PS was empowered by Rikodou's chakra, all his jutsus are also empowered similarly. Just like his Chidori in The Last. IMO, his base mode is empowered just like Naruto, definitely because of Rikodou chakra. I get your point about "using", but what proof do you have that Sasuke uses certain jutsus with his own chakra and certain with Rikodou chakra? And that all of his jutsus are not Six Paths based by default?



This explains how Naruto use jutsus with Six Paths chakra which clarifies the guided FRS part since it was created with Rikodou chakra, but how will it explain the flight in BSM unless Rikodou chakra is involved in SM? You can't fly just by drawing in chakra, you have to be in a related mode.

From the simple fact that he can still make a blue chidori proves he is not always using Six Paths. Its a choice for those 2.

There is a novel that goes more in depth if the last stating that it was indeed a psuedo type rsm but only tapping into the power. It also states that Toneri was using Six Paths Senjutsu.

 

[lndra]

Regular Sage Mode is Naruto gathering Senjutsu which in turn creates that form. Rikudou Sage Mode is Naruto gathering Senjutsu with Rikudou chakra.

 

[Gerkak]

of course they are. they are official works of the series under the naruto new era project.

They aren't many of the things that happened in the novel do not reflect the manga and movies(which are also considered part of the new era project)

There cannot be two accurate yet conflicting sources one has to be more reliable than the other just as how the manga is generally more relaiable than the data book.

 

[TheSages456]

They aren't many of the things that happened in the novel do not reflect the manga and movies(which are also considered part of the new era project)

There cannot be two accurate yet conflicting sources one has to be more reliable than the other just as how the manga is generally more relaiable than the data book.

its an official work of the series. one official work isnt more valid than the other. every official work in the series is canon. fans dont decide that.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

From the simple fact that he can still make a blue chidori proves he is not always using Six Paths. Its a choice for those 2.

There is a novel that goes more in depth if the last stating that it was indeed a psuedo type rsm but only tapping into the power. It also states that Toneri was using Six Paths Senjutsu.

Good point. That makes sense now, at least for the time being and for the most part. And I also have to recall the instances where Sasuke used blue-white Chidori... But there are still a few things. Firstly, my same point about BSM Naruto flying retains. How can he fly without Rikodou chakra? Secondly, Sasuke used blue-white Chidori to destroy the meteor in The Last, right? How could he produce such a massive Chidori without Rikodou chakra. Is his own chakra really that powerful now?

Regular Sage Mode is Naruto gathering Senjutsu which in turn creates that form. Rikudou Sage Mode is Naruto gathering Senjutsu with Rikudou chakra.

I wouldn't have asked this if it was that simple.

Firstly, the confusion is whether Naruto retains his own chakra or not, or is it replaced by Rikodou chakra. Naruto retaining his former chakra solves the problem however. Secondly, you're wrong about RSM. Naruto doesn't combine Senjutsu with Rikodou chakra, he already has the Rikodou Senjutsu chakra by default, which he just access and enters RSM.

 

[Gerkak]

its an official work of the series. one official work isnt more valid than the other. every official work in the series is canon. fans dont decide that.

That so? Guess you agree that temari can blow away the universe and naruto can comprehend all of creation since data book is canon.

Also you just chose what info you wanted the DB didn't say naruto got RSM from the bijuu it called it a gift from hogoromo, by presenting your quote and standing by it you effectively chose what you wanted to believe in.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

of course they are. they are official works of the series under the naruto new era project.


@underlined-according to who?

@bold-says who?
you're coming to ridiculous conclusions when its already clear cut stated that the source of narutos sage power comes from having all of the biju.

the juubis power grants its jinchuriki six paths senjutsu. possessing 9 biju is blatantly stated to give the same power as the juubi.

Your quote clearly stated "remnants" which means small quantity. That is not enough to attain any power. How can he have a full fledged power with just a small portion of the bijuus chakra? Doesn't make sense...

The Juubi grants RSM, not Juubi's chakra.

 

[TheSages456]

That so? Guess you agree that temari can blow away the universe and naruto can comprehend all of creation since data book is canon.

yes the databook is canon as an official work of the series. it containing hyperbole has nothing to do with its canonicity.

Also you just chose what info you wanted the DB didn't say naruto got RSM from the bijuu it called it a gift from hogoromo, by presenting your quote and standing by it you effectively chose what you wanted to believe in.

@bold-both are true. it seems that you have a problem applying logic. the databook states that six paths sage mode is a gift and shikamaru hiden states that the biju are responsible for this power.
you should be asking yourself how these 2 descriptions can be related instead of saying "hurr durr contradiction" so you can fabricate your own canon.

Your quote clearly stated "remnants" which means small quantity. That is not enough to attain any power. How can he have a full fledged power with just a small portion of the bijuus chakra? Doesn't make sense...

The Juubi grants RSM, not Juubi's chakra.

whats wrong with you? its blatantly stated that naruto is a human pillar for the juubis power just like obito was since he possesses the chakra of all of the biju.
you're blatantly denying official statements for no reason.

 

[Jokule67]

Good point. That makes sense now, at least for the time being and for the most part. And I also have to recall the instances where Sasuke used blue-white Chidori... But there are still a few things. Firstly, my same point about BSM Naruto flying retains. How can he fly without Rikodou chakra? Secondly, Sasuke used blue-white Chidori to destroy the meteor in The Last, right? How could he produce such a massive Chidori without Rikodou chakra. Is his own chakra really that powerful now?



I wouldn't have asked this if it was that simple.

Firstly, the confusion is whether Naruto retains his own chakra or not, or is it replaced by Rikodou chakra. Naruto retaining his former chakra solves the problem however. Secondly, you're wrong about RSM. Naruto doesn't combine Senjutsu with Rikodou chakra, he already has the Rikodou Senjutsu chakra by default, which he just access and enters RSM.

I wodnt put it past Sasuke. Obito and Obito made a massive fire technique and Sasuke was bound to be next in line for legendary uchiha power. It's in his blood really. He was even next in line for head of the clan behind Itachi. Basically the prince of all Uchiha lol.

As for Naruto the last we only we have the novel which goes in depth. Nothing more so I cant say. If it was a psuedo form like the novel says that would explain the flight. Or just another example of Naruto's skill by using the it outside of RSM.