[Discussion] Jack>Marco>DD

[KingHashirama]

WHAT. ARE. YOU. TALKING. ABOUT? The author is speaking through the characters, he has no reason to lie. Your just making up what YOU WANT TO BELIEVE would make him the FM when in reality, Oda can do whatever the hell he wants.

And what's with that Marco BS? How has Marco been portrayed stronger when Jack hasn't done anything yet? They are both right hand men of a Yonko based off what's been said in the manga, not your imagination. Theres no way to tell whos stronger.

I'm going off what the manga has said and the manga says that Jack is the right hand man.

"author is speaking trough the characters".. so the author is speaking through the villains and the strawhats? Don't see how that works.. but ok.


Marco - leads the whitebeard crew after Whitebeard's death.

Jack - acts like a pawn of Kaido's.

Ben Beckman - the silent calm badass one similar to Zoro

My imagination? I think not. A different interpretation on characters compared to you? definitely.


Did I say you were wrong for believing Jack was Kaido's right hand man? no.

Did I say I was right? no.

I clearly stated "I highly DOUBT" that he is Kaido's right hand man.

Doubt: a feeling of uncertainty or lack of conviction.

Just like I highly doubt Sabo is the second-in-command of the Revolutionaries.


You are going off of an underling praising his captain, who is one of the leaders in Kaido's fleet.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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I'm almost done deciphering this. I think it's "Macho stop disliking my posts" but there's no "L."

 

[Ripple Hole]

I'm almost done deciphering this. I think it's "Macho stop disliking my posts" but there's no "L."

Why would I need an L?
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[Punk Hazard]

Why would I need an L?
Gambling to post this, feels like a trap.

Disliking has an "L" in it.

 

[Ripple Hole]

Disliking has an "L" in it.

Not anymore. Dunno how I missed that.
I'll fix it.

 

[OG sama]

"author is speaking trough the characters".. so the author is speaking through the villains and the strawhats? Don't see how that works.. but ok.


Marco - leads the whitebeard crew after Whitebeard's death.

Jack - acts like a pawn of Kaido's.

Ben Beckman - the silent calm badass one similar to Zoro

My imagination? I think not. A different interpretation on characters compared to you? definitely.


Did I say you were wrong for believing Jack was Kaido's right hand man? no.

Did I say I was right? no.

I clearly stated "I highly DOUBT" that he is Kaido's right hand man.

Doubt: a feeling of uncertainty or lack of conviction.

Just like I highly doubt Sabo is the second-in-command of the Revolutionaries.


You are going off of an underling praising his captain, who is one of the leaders in Kaido's fleet.

Did we need Inuarashi to tell us his name was Inuarashi? Why should we take Wandas words for it? That sounds like the equivalent of you argument, but I doubt you disbelieved his name was Inuarashi correct?

And you came to the conclusion that Jack is a pawn based off what? We don't know what Kaido wanted Jack to do and even if it was to retrieve Doflamingo. Its called following orders and Kaido could have strong faith in his crew to do anything, just like WB allowed Ace to go after BB alone.

 

[Bogard]

I think we should for better translation before concluding his position. *********** tries sometimes to be too formal that it could confuse the reader. I find it also strange the original translation didn't mention it. Doflamingo lvl remains the minimum fod Jack though judging by his hype and portrayal so far

 

[KingHashirama]

Did we need Inuarashi to tell us his name was Inuarashi? Why should we take Wandas words for it? That sounds like the equivalent of you argument, but I doubt you disbelieved his name was Inuarashi correct?

And you came to the conclusion that Jack is a pawn based off what? We don't know what Kaido wanted Jack to do and even if it was to retrieve Doflamingo. Its called following orders and Kaido could have strong faith in his crew to do anything, just like WB allowed Ace to go after BB alone.

Did you take Hordy for face value when he said he'd be the pirate king? no. Seems to me you like believing everything characters say.

And you came to the conclusion that Jack isn't a pawn based off what? Because his underling called him the "right hand man" of a Yonko?

If you are comparing Ace to Jack.. then he definitely isn't the Right hand man.

 

[Bogard]

Regardless if Jack is the right hand or not, one thing is for sure. He is just as wreckless and hasty as his captain. No wonder then why he is one of his top3 closest or trustest(?)

 

[KingHashirama]

Despite his Mammoth design looking a bit goofy, yea he is a beast alright. Kind of reminds of Barto for some reason XD. I can see Jack being a Kaido fanboy.


But i'm highly hoping that there is someone stronger than Jack who is close to the level of Kaido's badassery.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Despite his Mammoth design looking a bit goofy, yea he is a beast alright. Kind of reminds of Barto for some reason XD. I can see Jack being a Kaido fanboy.


But i'm highly hoping that there is someone stronger than Kaido who is close to the level of Kaido's badassery.

Kaido was said to be the strongest creature alive, so it's unlikely that someone is stronger than him currently. However, I'm sure you highly doubt that as well.

 

[OG sama]

Did you take Hordy for face value when he said he'd be the pirate king? no. Seems to me you like believing everything characters say.

And you came to the conclusion that Jack isn't a pawn based off what? Because his underling called him the "right hand man" of a Yonko?

If you are comparing Ace to Jack.. then he definitely isn't the Right hand man.

I don't believe everything. But is there any reason to believe that Jack isn't the right hand man? Nope, and there's nothing proving otherwise either. The manga says he is the right hand man and there's nothing telling the readers that this could be false.

So just because Sheepshead is an underling he's lying? You want to here it from Kaido when your probably not going to here about it from Kaido. But whatever, maybe we will or maybe we won't.

1st or 2nd in command , it doesn't matter. They both still have to take orders from the captain, so I don't know what the hell your trying to prove. And that doesn't make them pawns.

To each his own though, you sound like the person to highly doubt everything with no real basis.

 

[KingHashirama]

Kaido was said to be the strongest creature alive, so it's unlikely that someone is stronger than him currently. However, I'm sure you highly doubt that as well.

Meant someone stronger than Jack*

I don't believe everything. But is there any reason to believe that Jack isn't the right hand man? Nope, and there's nothing proving otherwise either. The manga says he is the right hand man and there's nothing telling the readers that this could be false.

So just because Sheepshead is an underling he's lying? You want to here it from Kaido when your probably not going to here about it from Kaido. But whatever, maybe we will or maybe we won't.

1st or 2nd in command , it doesn't matter. They both still have to take orders from the captain, so I don't know what the hell your trying to prove. And that doesn't make them pawns.

To each his own though, you sound like the person to highly doubt everything with no real basis.

The manga at one point stated Hordy would be the Pirate King.. did it turn out to be the case? no.

Before you start throwing a tantrum, and start claiming you are 100% right, and try to get on people simply because they believe somebody else is probably the right hand man?

What reason do we have to believe he is the right hand man, except for Jack's own underling, calling him Kaido's right hand man? It could very well be like Ussop calling himself the captain. It could be that Jack treats himself as the right hand man. There is no concrete evidence he is the right hand man. No clue how hard that is to understand. A character making a statement does not translate into "manga said it".

Marco was confirmed as the right hand man, through his talks with shanks, and him taking over the whitebeard pirates.

Ben Beckman is also not 100% confirmed as the right hand man for shanks, but comparing with portrayals he is most likely it.

First command would never try to go do something as wreckless as attacking 2 admirals. I'm sure Kaido isn't dumb enough to have his second-in-command get captured.


I sound like the person who simply doesn't believe that a goofy looking guy could be the right hand man for the most badass looking Yonko introduced so far.


So like I said, I never said you were wrong or that I was right. I simply said I highly doubt he is. I never said it was a 100% fact he won't be the right hand man.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Sounds like you need to get Doflamingos D out of your mouth. Its just like I said this isn't pre skip, Luffy was lacking in many things that made his wins BS pre skip, he didn't even have Haki, he had to rely on weaknesses and DF match ups to win against certain enemies. But Post skip he has what's necessary to get stronger and stronger and not need to fight weaker opponents because he has something that is the answer to everything, Haki and its going to get stronger island to island.

Irrelevant argument. Enel was more of a threat than smoker and kuma/moriha/lucci were all stronger than hordy.

You are dismissed. Not all villains get stronger as the story moves on and you have no proof that jack is as strong as Marco, so now can you get this fufu ass, naruto discussion section tier argument outta here?

G4 during its duration is >Doflamingo, only thing stopping him from actually winning is the time limit, which Oda may not even keep up with this arc or whenever he needs to bust out G4.

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G4 will always have duration no matter how short or long it is, as its really nothing but using massive amounts of haki combined with gomu gomu's effects. Now unless luffy is currently able to keep it longer, I don't see the point of mentioning the possibilities of the future in a current judgment of strength.



You can simply not use theories and predictions as evidence to make your point valid, I understand that you aren't that blessed, but damn your opinions and predictions hold no value in this manner so stop using things that don't currently exist

 

[Hexuze]

Jack stomps Doffy and massacres Marco? Lmao. I don't see him being stronger than Marco.

 

[OG sama]

Irrelevant argument. Enel was more of a threat than smoker and kuma/moriha/lucci were all stronger than hordy.

You are dismissed. Not all villains get stronger as the story moves on and you have no proof that jack is as strong as Marco, so now can you get this fufu ass, naruto discussion section tier argument outta here?

G4 will always have duration no matter how short or long it is, as its really nothing but using massive amounts of haki combined with gomu gomu's effects. Now unless luffy is currently able to keep it longer, I don't see the point of mentioning the possibilities of the future in a current judgment of strength.



You can simply not use theories and predictions as evidence to make your point valid, I understand that you aren't that blessed, but damn your opinions and predictions hold no value in this manner so stop using things that don't currently exist[/QUOTE]

What are you even talking about with Enel? That just proving my point. And what the hell? Steroid Hody is > Lucci and Moriah or do you think they can take punches from Post ts Luffy who was one shotting pacifista almost stronger than the whole pre SH crew? Kuma was just there to show them how weak they were, he was never even a defeated villain in the first place and technically, wasn't even against the SHs.

I may not have proof but knowing how most of the community likes to put Marco on some pedestal it doesn't even matter if he did, because for some reason Marco is some unsurpassable God if your not an Admiral or a Yonko. They're both right hand men in a Yonko crew and your telling me he will be weaker than Doflamingo? Sounds like you just dont want him to be on Marcos level.

I always bring up G4s duration because it doesn't have a noticeable time limit. How are we even going to know if the time limits gone up? Doflamingo fapboys like you would use the logic that anyone who is beaten within the time limit in the coming arcs is weaker than Doflamingo because Doflamingo outlasted it. When its very likely the time limit could have gone up.

Villains since Post skip have indeed been getting stronger, and I like how you keep trying to prove me wrong using pre skip, when I told you exactly why that happened pre skip.

Post skip: Hody<Caesar<Doflamingo

 

[Ripple Hole]

Post skip: Hody<Caesar<Doflamingo

I'm willing to bet Caesar could beat Doflamingo cause poison.
Only reason someone as strong as Luffy survived was because he was immune.

 

[OG sama]

Meant someone stronger than Jack*


The manga at one point stated Hordy would be the Pirate King.. did it turn out to be the case? no.

Before you start throwing a tantrum, and start claiming you are 100% right, and try to get on people simply because they believe somebody else is probably the right hand man?

What reason do we have to believe he is the right hand man, except for Jack's own underling, calling him Kaido's right hand man? It could very well be like Ussop calling himself the captain. It could be that Jack treats himself as the right hand man. There is no concrete evidence he is the right hand man. No clue how hard that is to understand. A character making a statement does not translate into "manga said it".

Marco was confirmed as the right hand man, through his talks with shanks, and him taking over the whitebeard pirates.

Ben Beckman is also not 100% confirmed as the right hand man for shanks, but comparing with portrayals he is most likely it.

First command would never try to go do something as wreckless as attacking 2 admirals. I'm sure Kaido isn't dumb enough to have his second-in-command get captured.


I sound like the person who simply doesn't believe that a goofy looking guy could be the right hand man for the most badass looking Yonko introduced so far.


So like I said, I never said you were wrong or that I was right. I simply said I highly doubt he is. I never said it was a 100% fact he won't be the right hand man.

Kaido is suicidal, why would he care If one If his men is captured? The guy doesn't even want to live, if anything he would rather have one of his men get captured In hopes of trying to get himself killed.

How Jack looks should not determine if he's the right hand man, his actions should, this is the same BS every one uses for Weevil as if goofy characters cant be strong, this is One piece. Not sure how you deduced that Jack was goofy looking when we haven't even seen him in human form yet.

I can agree to the rest there is no concrete evidence, but if Kaido or anyone else say otherwise then we know for a fact Jack is the right hand man.

 

[OG sama]

I'm willing to bet Caesar could beat Doflamingo cause poison.
Only reason someone as strong as Luffy survived was because he was immune.

Caesar takes orders from Doflamingo but yet he can beat him.

If you inhale caesars gas and your not immune then yeah your going to die, but he can still be beaten without anyone being immune lost as you don't inhale like Luffy did. M3, Law, Vergo, these guys would have beat Caesar.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I'm willing to bet Caesar could beat Doflamingo cause poison.
Only reason someone as strong as Luffy survived was because he was immune.

And you wonder why I'm disliking your posts...