[Discussion] Jack>Marco>DD

[Lance171]

well due to plot luffy will eventually be the strongest. and honestly id put luffy>mingo. and marco>jack only because jack has no feats yet zoans are kinda over rated

Are you talking about the OPs? He's just wanking, don't pay him any mind. And no ones wetting themselves, the minkmen aren't stronger than Jack that was just silly to say. We know as a whole they are a very powerful race of people, if Jack can't handle the duke of day + night, the 3 musketeers, the guardians, and the rest of the mink citizens all at once its because they are hella strong.

I think people just like to have this mindset that an island full of people should just be helpless citizens who can't defend themselves. Now watch people put Marco and Doflamingo above Jack because they want to believe these characters should solo a whole island full of strong people. Even those there's no basis for this, people just set their expectations too high and want to believe what they want to believe.

mingo and his executives took over dressrosa by themselves. I know dressrosa wasn't all that powerful, but now people wanna underrate doffy cause he was beat by luffy. obviously luffy was gonna win that's classic plot no jutsu

 

[Punk Hazard]

it took two admirals to take him down?... lol. talk about bending the circumstances to your benefit.

Nope. It didn't take two admirals to bring him down, he attacked two Admiral-level people and got stomped.

 

[Skull Knight]

obviously luffy was gonna win that's classic plot no jutsu

Nope it was Plot Plot no Bazooooooka

 

[OG sama]

well due to plot luffy will eventually be the strongest. and honestly id put luffy>mingo. and marco>jack only because jack has no feats yet zoans are kinda over rated



mingo and his executives took over dressrosa by themselves. I know dressrosa wasn't all that powerful, but now people wanna underrate doffy cause he was beat by luffy. obviously luffy was gonna win that's classic plot no jutsu

No ones under rating Doflamingo, and there's no shame in losing to Luffy anyway. If anything Jack is going to be underrated because him and Marco are right hand men but Marco fought against an Admiral while Jack(if he is the villain of zou) is destined to lose to Luffy. No one wants to acknowledge how strong Luffy really is, which is why there is so much downplay.

Luffy already showed he could somewhat hold his own with Fujitora despite telegraphing all his attacks and bruising Fuji with a basic G3 attack, despite the attack being blocked. That's already more than Marco managed the whole MF war against any admiral. But yet Marco is admiral level because he kicked some Admirals and did no damage.

 

[Fireplay]

Lmao. The hype begins. Its too early to say anything.

Until Jack shows feats Marco>Jack.

By your logic Jack>errbody "caus kido rite hnd maaaaaaqan"

WB>Kaido

Marco was WB's 2nd therefore by your logic i could say Marco>Jack.

 

[KingHashirama]

I HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY DOUBT that he really is the First Mate/Second-in-command.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Are you talking about the OPs? He's just wanking, don't pay him any mind. And no ones wetting themselves, the minkmen aren't stronger than Jack that was just silly to say. We know as a whole they are a very powerful race of people, if Jack can't handle the duke of day + night, the 3 musketeers, the guardians, and the rest of the mink citizens all at once its because they are hella strong.

I think people just like to have this mindset that an island full of people should just be helpless citizens who can't defend themselves. Now watch people put Marco and Doflamingo above Jack because they want to believe these characters should solo a whole island full of strong people. Even those there's no basis for this, people just set their expectations too high and want to believe what they want to believe.

We haven't see DD fighting admiral, and he ****ed jozu and other WB commanders in war so keeping him at marco's level, shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY DOUBT that he really is the First Mate/Second-in-command.

He was called Kaido's right hand man.

 

[KingHashirama]

He was called Kaido's right hand man.

I know he was, and I'm saying I highly doubt that is the truth.

 

[OG sama]

Lmao. The hype begins. Its too early to say anything.

Until Jack shows feats Marco>Jack.

By your logic Jack>errbody "caus kido rite hnd maaaaaaqan"

WB>Kaido

Marco was WB's 2nd therefore by your logic i could say Marco>Jack.

WB was the WSM but was his crew the strongest? Nope.

Marco has been a Whitebeard pirate for at least 20 years but compared to Prime Rayleigh he's like a little kid based off what even an Old Rayleigh did against Kizaru.

So no, just because WB was the strongest man does not mean Marco is the strongest FM.

 

[Punk Hazard]

an Old Rayleigh did against Kizaru.

Get played with and tired after a few brief clashes of the blade?

 

[OG sama]

I know he was, and I'm saying I highly doubt that is the truth.

You can doubt it all you want but until there's something proven otherwise he's the right hand man. There would also be no reason for Oda to lie about it.

 

[KingHashirama]

You can doubt it all you want but until there's something proven otherwise he's the right hand man. There would also be no reason for Oda to lie about it.

No clue why fans think, everything characters say is 100% fact by ODA himself... There are things such as characters exaggerating and messing around, or overdoing it with their relationship with other characters.


Only way it becomes a 100% fact is, when he is with Kaido himself or someone says it in Kaido's presence. You really think he'd be the second strongest in the crew of the World's strongest pirate? When people like Marco have been portrayed to be stronger?

 

[OG sama]

No clue why fans think, everything characters say is 100% fact by ODA himself... There are things such as characters exaggerating and messing around, or overdoing it with their relationship with other characters.


Only way it becomes a 100% fact is, when he is with Kaido himself or someone says it in Kaido's presence. You really think he'd be the second strongest in the crew of the World's strongest pirate? When people like Marco have been portrayed to be stronger?

WHAT. ARE. YOU. TALKING. ABOUT? The author is speaking through the characters, he has no reason to lie. Your just making up what YOU WANT TO BELIEVE would make him the FM when in reality, Oda can do whatever the hell he wants.

And what's with that Marco BS? How has Marco been portrayed stronger when Jack hasn't done anything yet? They are both right hand men of a Yonko based off what's been said in the manga, not your imagination. Theres no way to tell whos stronger.

I'm going off what the manga has said and the manga says that Jack is the right hand man.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

No clue why fans think, everything characters say is 100% fact by ODA himself... There are things such as characters exaggerating and messing around, or overdoing it with their relationship with other characters.


Only way it becomes a 100% fact is, when he is with Kaido himself or someone says it in Kaido's presence. You really think he'd be the second strongest in the crew of the World's strongest pirate? When people like Marco have been portrayed to be stronger?

Why would a Kaido Pirate member lie about Jack's position in the crew?

 

[OG sama]

k .

Why would Sheepshead lie about Jacks position within kaidos crew? He says there are 3 calamities and out of those 3 Jack is the right hand man. Theres no way you can get, he's lying out from that. Also Jack didn't deny it, and there's nothing proving otherwise.

Just cause you don't like Jack doesn't mean the manga is wrong.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Jack was directly called Kaidou's right hand man. Until the manga syas otherwise and it was just Sheephead hyping Jack, Jack is Kaidou's right hand and most likely the #2 without question. Whether he is stronger than Marco is yet to be seen but judging from Marco and Beckmann(maybe 3 eyed woman with Big Mam), he should at least be stronger than Doflamingo.

As a simple zoan, his abilities are very straight foward and relies on brute force. No crazy tricks and versatility like Doffy.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Yea you keep acting ignorant like this and you will be disappointed with the outcome.

Because it makes total sense for Kaidos right hand man to be weaker than Doflamingo, when we know that as a Yonko FM he should be up there with Marco more than likely.

This isn't pre skip where Luffy has to rely on cheap weaknesses and DF match ups to win a battle, the villains are going to get stronger from here on out.

ok, thanks for your very nice opinion that O never cared about nor asked for.


You don't know if all yonko first mates are in the same level so stop assuming stuff. The shichibukai weren't nearly equal as we thought they would at the beginning. The supernova are also another group that were no where near equal in terms of strength. Smh even the yonko are yet to show their full power. Not every yonko first mate is on Marco level so please get that shit argument outta here bro.


Again another opinion with no good explanation or general logic behind it. Are you truly implying that kuma was weaker than hordy? Or that enel was weaker than smokey?villains don't always get stronger as the story process, plus even if he was stronger, doffy was never defeated fairly by the main character and so someone that is above his level is not needed here as the level of doffy himself was not surpassed yet.


Ultimately let feats speak for themselves, or are you scared that you might be massively wrong?

 

[Ripple Hole]

Why would Sheepshead lie about Jacks position within kaidos crew? He says there are 3 calamities and out of those 3 Jack is the right hand man. Theres no way you can get, he's lying out from that. Also Jack didn't deny it, and there's nothing proving otherwise.

Just cause you don't like Jack doesn't mean the manga is wrong.

ko .

 

[OG sama]

ok, thanks for your very nice opinion that O never cared about nor asked for.


You don't know if all yonko first mates are in the same level so stop assuming stuff. The shichibukai weren't nearly equal as we thought they would at the beginning. The supernova are also another group that were no where near equal in terms of strength. Smh even the yonko are yet to show their full power. Not every yonko first mate is on Marco level so please get that shit argument outta here bro.


Again another opinion with no good explanation or general logic behind it. Are you truly implying that kuma was weaker than hordy? Or that enel was weaker than smokey?villains don't always get stronger as the story process, plus even if he was stronger, doffy was never defeated fairly by the main character and so someone that is above his level is not needed here as the level of doffy himself was not surpassed yet.


Ultimately let feats speak for themselves, or are you scared that you might be massively wrong?

Sounds like you need to get Doflamingos D out of your mouth. Its just like I said this isn't pre skip, Luffy was lacking in many things that made his wins BS pre skip, he didn't even have Haki, he had to rely on weaknesses and DF match ups to win against certain enemies. But Post skip he has what's necessary to get stronger and stronger and not need to fight weaker opponents because he has something that is the answer to everything, Haki and its going to get stronger island to island.

G4 during its duration is >Doflamingo, only thing stopping him from actually winning is the time limit, which Oda may not even keep up with this arc or whenever he needs to bust out G4.