Tsunade Versus Gokage Analysis

[Lord Tywin]

Kratos where did I say anything about water. Please seriously point this out because You dont know how to read. I never stated water not ONCE. But if you are talking about katsuyu's liquid form yeah its NOT water.

Show me kazekage Gaara creating more sand in a neutral location, not a desert.

Katsuyu counters the sand so how are they getting seperated?

You looked at for seconds I bet and didnt even read it. Froget you, you are the exact kind of person I described up there, you dont care about any evidence, You simply look at the character it supports instead.

As long as it's not oil you can erase the thought of Katsuya making Gaara's sand crumble
Rest is the usual Tsunade wank.

 

[Icelerate]

Would Katsuyu's acid cause Gaara's sand to crumble much like Mei's acid did to susanoo or Katsuyu's acid did to rock? Various acid attacks have been shown and stated to cause a wide variety of things to crumble.

Databook 2 - Zesshi Nensan: Show

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NINJUTSU; Zesshi Nensan (Tongue and Teeth Acidic Paste)
User: Katsuyu
Offensive; Close, Medium, Long Ranges; Rank: none

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A highly concentrated acidic paste is suddenly released from the mouth! The acid boasts such high density and concentration it dilutes even stone, vaporizing it! There are no setup moves to do before this jutsu's activation. Thanks to this one can easily strike, catching the enemy unawares, which has the advantage of denying them any opportunity to dodge.

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-Thawing, dissolving and melting* into nothingness, the rain of strong acid causes everything to fade away.

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-The acidic rain is spilled out all of a sudden, with a timing that won't even allow for anticipation! All things it touches will melt away, losing their shapes once and for all (tn: confusing sentence: I don't know if I got it 100% right).

Futton Koumu no Jutsu

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Without exception everything exposed to the boil vapor will melt.

The Jutsu is vomited from the mouth like breath, it causes skin, flesh, and blood, to melt. The body melts due to it possessing a powerful acid property. Chakra defense are melted and nullified. In the face of it's power Sasuke's absolute defense Susano'o could not bare it, and it's chakra defense melted.

Youton Youkai no Jutsu

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Manipulating the strong acid of a large volcanic mud flow to corrode ones flesh.

For Godaime Mizukage it's possible to use the Youton Kekkai Genkai. inside her body, chakra is changed into strong acidic fluid, everything is melted by the dangerous Jutsu. Out of the mouth gushes (blasts) out a quantity of viscous fluid, the shape and amount is at the liberty of the Jutsu's users. When spit forth at short range it's speed drastically increases (I'm pretty sure?), a wall that obstructs ones path, to use in more than one direction is feasible.

distributes viscous liquid across a vast range/scope, creating an acid wall. Anything that touches it will crumble and loose it's shape.

Now obviously there is something called hyperbole so we can't say that literally everything would melt upon contact but it stands to reason most things in the NV would indeed melt so the chances of Gaara's sand melting or losing its shape is very probable. However, sand is mostly made out of quartz which is one of the hardest materials to dissolve.

Regardless Tsunade loses to Gaara with low difficulty. Gaara should be able to create multiple times more sand than what he did as a genin even in a neutral location. Just look at how large of a sand tsunami Gaara used by comparing its height and width to the

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to counter that massive sand tsunami despite there not being a desert of gold. Gaara has more chakra and better control over his sand than his father has of gold so I see no reason why Gaara can't create these massive sand tsunamis outside of a desert.
Katsuyu being able to survive Gaara's sand assaults is irrelevant when Tsunade can't. Katsuyu acid is evaded by floating on a sand cloud or blocked by expendable sand. Tsunade gets hit and engulfed by sand before she can reach Gaara if he decides to fight on the ground.

Tsunade isn't tanking a

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by Ay. His punch is strong enough to

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which is far more durable than Tsunade's skull so her face gets caved in and obliterated or it sends her head flying. Also his

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can slice Tsunade's limbs or neck apart especially since Suigetsu claimed he would have

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despite Raikage not attacking Suigetsu's arms directly. She isn't reacting to him when Sasuke who is faster couldn't react and the fact that he was also able to pressure KCM Naruto and Minato despite them being even faster than Sasuke. Even if Tsunade could react, she can't evade his hits or land a hit on him and merely blocking his hits with her limbs will cause her to lose them.

Tsunade can still draw out the fight by summoning Katsuyu so this is a mid diff win.

Tsunade VS Mei is a debatable fight but your arguments here also don't make much sense and are easy to refute.

 

[BLAZE]

Laughed my ass of while reading op of this thread

next make Tsunade vs Hebi Sasuke one

 

[EZQ]

Don't you dare stating Tsufodder beats lord Ay

 

[RedRobin]

The bulk of this BS is rendered 100% false and pointless because you foolishly tried to equate Katsuyu's liquid form to Mizukage's liquid form when the only reason that Mizukage's "water" was working was because it's oil mixed with water. Oily water. When Katsuyu produces either of the two then we can talk. Until then, you don't even have an argument as the only other thing you posted was that she can punch through his sand, ignoring the fact that she can't punch through Sand Tsunami nor can she punch through the

As long as it's not oil you can erase the thought of Katsuya making Gaara's sand crumble
Rest is the usual Tsunade wank.

Lol you are looking for one word to signify this point when there is overwhelming evidence that it will work in the same way.

- DB 2 stating Katsuyu's division makes her impossible to capture, now I wont saying this will stop Gaara's sand but her liquid that sure as hell makes her impossible to capture.

Please tell me if Gaara covered Katsuyu in a sand pyramid and she turned to liquid what would happen? Would Gaara's sand contain her? When the hell has it ever contained liquid? Please show me. Until them you have no evidence that it can stop katsuyu's liquid form.

- Katsuyu's liquid completely covers the earth it travels on, its not like the earth absorbs her in like water making the ground wet. Same with Mizukage's liquid which stayed above sand and separated it.

- Katsuyu has shown to control herself in her liquid form so she can move herself and leak out of the sand which is compact but still have many small spaces all throughout the sand which a liquid can seep through as shown with the mizukage when he leaked out when Gaata tried sealing him.

- Both the mizukage's liquid and Katsuyu being described as slimy. Slime being a property which makes Gaara's sand crumble as shown when it makes the sand slide off the Mizukage's body

- Karin making the point that Katsuyu is similar to Suigestu.

Overwhelming evidence. Absolutely overwhelming.

Sand Bullet attack he used against Madara when he was revived. That tech pierces her, she gets bound, and then Gaara finishes her with Sand Tsunami+Prison Sand Burial and then crushes her with little effort.

Low diff.

Which only got into Madara because of Shukaku's large fuuton.


But again no matter what evidence is in your face, you are just looking at the fact that it support Tsunade.

 

[RedRobin]

Would Katsuyu's acid cause Gaara's sand to crumble much like Mei's acid did to susanoo or Katsuyu's acid did to rock? Various acid attacks have been shown and stated to cause a wide variety of things to crumble.

Now obviously there is something called hyperbole so we can't say that literally everything would melt upon contact but it stands to reason most things in the NV would indeed melt so the chances of Gaara's sand melting or losing its shape is very probable. However, sand is mostly made out of quartz which is one of the hardest materials to dissolve.

I dont know but who cares its not like she can spit enough acid to stop that much sand. Thats why her liquid form comes into play.

Regardless Tsunade loses to Gaara with low difficulty. Gaara should be able to create multiple times more sand than what he did as a genin even in a neutral location. Just look at how large of a sand tsunami Gaara used by comparing its height and width to the

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The

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to counter that massive sand tsunami despite there not being a desert of gold. Gaara has more chakra and better control over his sand than his father has of gold so I see no reason why Gaara can't create these massive sand tsunamis outside of a desert.
Katsuyu being able to survive Gaara's sand assaults is irrelevant when Tsunade can't. Katsuyu acid is evaded by floating on a sand cloud or blocked by expendable sand. Tsunade gets hit and engulfed by sand before she can reach Gaara if he decides to fight on the ground.

Again you are looking at feats of Gaara in a desert. Even that big sand wave still doesnt reach Katsuyu's highest who would stand

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2nd databook to 3rd Gaara increases by 2.5 points.

.5 in ninjustu
1 in genjustu
.5 in intelligence
.5 in strength

Only things that helps him in regards to sand control would be ninjustu and strength.

So no I dont see Gaara creating that much more sand than he did against Kimimaro in neutral location, as shown from the dessert wave he creates wont cover Katsuyu's height.

Ice you realize most Gold is found in deserts deep down in the depths of sand which is why he could bring out so much.

Tsunade isn't tanking a

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by Ay. His punch is strong enough to

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which is far more durable than Tsunade's skull so her face gets caved in and obliterated or it sends her head flying. Also his

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can slice Tsunade's limbs or neck apart especially since Suigetsu claimed he would have

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despite Raikage not attacking Suigetsu's arms directly. She isn't reacting to him when Sasuke who is faster couldn't react and the fact that he was also able to pressure KCM Naruto and Minato despite them being even faster than Sasuke. Even if Tsunade could react, she can't evade his hits or land a hit on him and merely blocking his hits with her limbs will cause her to lose them.

Suigestu is just weak, Tsunade can block his hits in the same way

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, as shown Madara did not lose his limbs. And when he hit Muu

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so no he isn't taking her limbs off. She can block against his attacks having shown to already physically react to V1.

She has already shown to be able to physical react and travel a distance to knock Madara's katon before Ay could even move a muscle.

If Tsunade is so slow how come she was seen landing a kick to the susano seconds after Ay + Onoki chopped it?

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol you are looking for one word to signify this point when there is overwhelming evidence that it will work in the same way.

- DB 2 stating Katsuyu's division makes her impossible to capture, now I wont saying this will stop Gaara's sand but her liquid that sure as hell makes her impossible to capture.

Irrelevant to your point about Katsuyu's liquid causing it to break apart, and irrelevant in the respect of Katsuyu being captured or not when I never said Gaara could or would capture her.

Please tell me if Gaara covered Katsuyu in a sand pyramid and she turned to liquid what would happen? Would Gaara's sand contain her? When the hell has it ever contained liquid? Please show me. Until them you have no evidence that it can stop katsuyu's liquid form.

RedRobin. Stop being an idiot for just one second and start reading before you reply. Where did I say that Katsuyu would be captured? :lol. Gtfo with this bullshit. Katsuyu might be able to escape from Gaara's Sand, but she will never cause it to break apart. And I'm already done with half of your post and you've yet to provide any evidence at all let alone "overwhelming" evidence.

- Katsuyu's liquid completely covers the earth it travels on, its not like the earth absorbs her in like water making the ground wet. Same with Mizukage's liquid which stayed above sand and separated it.

What the kind of bullshit comparison is this?

-Mizukage's Oily Water sunk into the sand and broke it apart.
-Katsuyu's liquid doesn't seep into the ground.

How does that mean they work the same way? :lol. Not to mention enough water will sit on top of the Earth's surface for a good while until it sinks.

- Katsuyu has shown to control herself in her liquid form so she can move herself and leak out of the sand which is compact but still have many small spaces all throughout the sand which a liquid can seep through as shown with the mizukage when he leaked out when Gaata tried sealing him.

Irrelevant as this is literally the same BS you posted above, the same irrelevant shit I never claimed. Even if I did claim this none of your points even counter since you've yet to actually prove that Katsuyu's liquid form is indeed the same as oily water. Mizukage was only able to break out of the sand because his oily water broke it apart. Period. Unless Katsuyu can do the same then you don't have a point here.

- Both the mizukage's liquid and Katsuyu being described as slimy. Slime being a property which makes Gaara's sand crumble as shown when it makes the sand slide off the Mizukage's body

Lmfao wtf? No. THE OIL IN THE WATER IS WHY THE MIZUKAGE MAKES GAARAS SAND CRUMBLE. Your point is also retarded as all hell. Slimy=/=Same properties. Not a debate.

- Karin making the point that Katsuyu is similar to Suigestu.

Too bad Suigetsu isn't the same as Gengetsu. OILY. WATER. Please stop ignoring shit and then crying when people don't agree with your BS arguments./

Overwhelming evidence. Absolutely overwhelming.

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Which only got into Madara because of Shukaku's large fuuton.


But again no matter what evidence is in your face, you are just looking at the fact that it support Tsunade.

He doesn't need Shukaku's help to penetrate her skin.

Lol stop fucking crying.

 

[Curse Mark]

Wasn't it stated that gaara can use fuuton because he could use anything shukaku could? Vaguely remember hearing about kishi saying that

 

[Lord Tywin]

I'm just waiting for the evidence that made Paws come up with the conclusion that Katsuya's liquid would work like oil.(Not the bullshit in OP)

 

[Unorthodox]

No one appreciates a good thread. Fine go ahead and continue arguing Naruto VS Sasuke and Boruto VS Sarada. How fun that is.

People who disliked didnt even bring up arguments to counter. I brought the evidence and backed it all up yet people want to sit there and act like I am wanking.


Some of you have some issues. Who cares which character wins a match, its about the arguments and how they can do it but no one wants to listen simply because they dont like the character and the character is related to SAKURA. Fine go ahead but at the end of the day I brought the arguments and no one countered. If Gaara beats Tsunade so easily then counter my point, you cant because I brought sufficient evidence to show Tsunade makes it very hard but that doesnt matter because you people are just mad I had the nerve to even try and argue it.

Its not about the arguments or the evidence, its about which characters have to be looked at as the strongest. No one cares about who actually would win in a match, no one cares about the evidence you have brought. They only care about making certain character appear to be strongest.

These debaters have simply gotten lost in bias towards characters. Definitely not like it used to be when people actually looked at the evidence instead of what character it supported.

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yall crazy i knew he was a clown when he said tsunade could defeat kisame and even made an official thread to why she could.

 

[RedRobin]

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yall crazy i knew he was a clown when he said tsunade could defeat kisame and even made an official thread to why she could.

Hop off my ****. LOL.

 

[Unorthodox]

Hop off my ****. LOL.

NOO!..........

 

[RedRobin]

I'm just waiting for the evidence that made Paws come up with the conclusion that Katsuya's liquid would work like oil.(Not the bullshit in OP)

Kratos what about the oil makes the sand crumble?

 

[Joshutsu]

Eeeh Tsunade is hard to debate for. She is strong but she shows little feats that can be used to refute alot of arguements pertaining to ranged users or fast ninja. Granted that I am confident she could be more of a force to be reckoned with than people give her credit. There's not much to say of it otherwise.

I only say this in her favor in terms of my confidence in her abilities because when they all had a common enemy she was arguably the best performer in that battle from the moment she joined in barring onooki. Esp in her off panel throwdown with 5 susano, where the other kage backed each other up. Shame that was off panel and also a shame we didn't get to see more of.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Kratos what about the oil makes the sand crumble?

All I care about is that it makes the sand crumble.

 

[RedRobin]

All I care about is that it makes the sand crumble.

Exactly why this is pointless LOL. You have fun there.

 

[Conspirator.]

Gengetsu uses a special mixture of oil and water("oily water"), and it's the unique properties of that which enabled it to seep through Gaara's sand. There's literally no evidence that Katsuyu's slime has the exact same properties to nullify Gaara's sand, as has been said before. It's like me automatically assuming that the oil from Jiraiya's toads can do the same thing which Gengetsu did, but that's an erroneous assumption because it's not "oily water". Simply put, you're wrong until you can prove otherwise.

 

[Curse Mark]

Anyone remember Slug Princess Tsunade?

She'd probably love this thread.

Tbt to the good old days

 

[DrProof]

What a dumbass.

 

[Lord Tywin]

What a dumbass.

Lmao this cracked me up