[Discussion] Luffys current power

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nope watch the fight again he always said luffy's attacks in G2 were fast. and he says im not fully healed and im replacing it, if he didnt he would die at some point. its a decent fix and thus he could still fight and use all his top moves, hes implying its not a complete fix but it does the job and its further proved by him not dying. not a plot hole ur just denying the manga at this point. he is in no way nearly dead in his whole fight with luffy.
1. Doffy's strings disappear when he's unconscious
2. His strings are the only thing keeping his organs together
3. Doffy said his stitching is NOT healing his organs

So please, by all means, explain how Doffy's organs stayed together and didn't fall back apart after he was KOd, other than plothole.
 

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Riker. When you were banned for those couple of days... did you manage to pull out any of your hair? What do you do for those couple of minutes in the real world when youre not on these forums?
 

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1. Doffy's strings disappear when he's unconscious
2. His strings are the only thing keeping his organs together
3. Doffy said his stitching is NOT healing his organs

So please, by all means, explain how Doffy's organs stayed together and didn't fall back apart after he was KOd, other than plothole.
its a regenrating tech regarless he avoided damage, what do u make from that he was partially healed obviously not at a 100%. read it carefully he make it seem like he healed himself partially and refers to it as a form of first aid in some sense. yea they do disappear its a fact his organs were still intact due to his earlier repairs.

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he's repairing himself, but not full out healing, he is not 100% but he "repaired" himself, he is not making new organs he just used his strings to repair his organsnot necessarily have them permanently hold it together. and further proof is he didnt die when he was unconscious not a plot hol when he describes himself repairing himself.
 
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Luffy defeated Doffy with the help of Law.

So no,he's not ready to take on Kaido.
This along with a city who saved him once his gear 4th ran out.... Not to mention Fuji zoro etc who were pushing the cage back... And u have to take into the fact that gamma knife did serious damage to doffy internally I'd put on that move alone on par with gear 4th cuz while gear 4th is wrecking ur outsides gamma knife one shots ur insides... Hell even with gk doffy was still perfectly able to tank all of luffys hits bar the last one...

So yeah luffy is not ready for any admiral or yonko
Tbh I'd wager that him by himself is not even ready to take on someone of doffy's level (healthy) by himself even with the feats of gear fourth...
 

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Fodders barely count they were just holding back doffy all those fodders are not even a 1000th of help that law was. It's not a stretch to say luffy is comparable to doffy since he took on awakened doffy and held his own. And awakened doffy just needed fingers to move everything not really affected by his injuries there. Doffy is still stronger but not by any big margin.
But doffy was not at all healthy at the time of his awakening ...
 

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Yea I agree he is slightly below, but he is one punch away from a win, when u whoop someone that bad ur pretty darn close. Yea doffy wins in the end but luffy in G4 is pretty close.
If u see the second gear 4th he threw more then just one punch ... So please stop with the one punch nonsense ..and u act as if it's a baby punch it took his strongest punch to take down a weakened doffy... They r not on same level luffy will eventually b but not right now
 

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But doffy was not at all healthy at the time of his awakening ...
dude i agree doffy is stronger he wasnt fully healthy but my argument is that luffy gives him quite a match. but luffy did well against doffy's best tech and he just has to be conscious to use them him being hurt shouldnt hurt him too much there, but it did affect his performance, but if we take into account that luffy in G4 had a good advantage in the fight we gotta give luffy credit of giving ateast a high diff to healthy doffy.
 

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its a regenrating tech regarless he avoided damage, what do u make from that he was partially healed obviously not at a 100%. read it carefully he make it seem like he healed himself partially and refers to it as a form of first aid in some sense. yea they do disappear its a fact his organs were still intact due to his earlier repairs.

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he's repairing himself, but not full out healing, he is not 100% but he "repaired" himself, he is not making new organs he just used his strings to repair his organsnot necessarily have them permanently hold it together. and further proof is he didnt die when he was unconscious not a plot hol when he describes himself repairing himself.
As in, he put his organs back together and the strings are holding them in place. He isn't healing his organs, so the tissue hasn't fused back together. So, then, if the strings aren't holding his organs together, and his organs haven't healed, what IS holding his organs together?

This along with a city who saved him once his gear 4th ran out.... Not to mention Fuji zoro etc who were pushing the cage back... And u have to take into the fact that gamma knife did serious damage to doffy internally I'd put on that move alone on par with gear 4th cuz while gear 4th is wrecking ur outsides gamma knife one shots ur insides... Hell even with gk doffy was still perfectly able to tank all of luffys hits bar the last one...

So yeah luffy is not ready for any admiral or yonko
Tbh I'd wager that him by himself is not even ready to take on someone of doffy's level (healthy) by himself even with the feats of gear fourth...
Not to mention that after Luffy's Gear 4 assault finished, Doflamingo's strings were once again stitching his organs, indicating that the reason Gear 4 did so much damage was in part because of GK's damage from earlier.
 

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nope watch the fight again he always said luffy's attacks in G2 were fast. and he says im not fully healed and im replacing it, if he didnt he would die at some point. its a decent fix and thus he could still fight and use all his top moves, hes implying its not a complete fix but it does the job and its further proved by him not dying. not a plot hole ur just denying the manga at this point. he is in no way nearly dead in his whole fight with luffy.
Why don't u read the manga ... The anime gives characters to many highlights for example ppl who only watch the anime think that zoro didn't need any help against pica whereas in the manga zoro needed to get king punched in the air just to keep up with pica's evasive techs.... And get to him to deliver finishing blow...
 

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If u see the second gear 4th he threw more then just one punch ... So please stop with the one punch nonsense ..and u act as if it's a baby punch it took his strongest punch to take down a weakened doffy... They r not on same level luffy will eventually b but not right now
he was one punch away and he never used godseld punch in the first fight, he had the upper hand but i agree all I'm saying is doffy can get pushed to the limit even healthy since hurt doffy was mostly on the defensive against G4.
 

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As in, he put his organs back together and the strings are holding them in place. He isn't healing his organs, so the tissue hasn't fused back together. So, then, if the strings aren't holding his organs together, and his organs haven't healed, what IS holding his organs together?



Not to mention that after Luffy's Gear 4 assault finished, Doflamingo's strings were once again stitching his organs, indicating that the reason Gear 4 did so much damage was in part because of GK's damage from earlier.
he said repair what more do u need its not full out healing yes, and also he didnt die later which we can see even from that panel is due to doffy repairing himself. ur assuming and making your own narrative. ur just saying plot when its convenient doffy even says hes reparing himself but we know hes not 100%

Why don't u read the manga ... The anime gives characters to many highlights for example ppl who only watch the anime think that zoro didn't need any help against pica whereas in the manga zoro needed to get king punched in the air just to keep up with pica's evasive techs.... And get to him to deliver finishing blow...
are u blind he says that in the manga as well, stop assuming things if you're not sure.
 
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he was one punch away and he never used godseld punch in the first fight, he had the upper hand but i agree all I'm saying is doffy can get pushed to the limit even healthy since hurt doffy was mostly on the defensive against G4.
So imagine if he went offensive

And if he did the last punch in beginning of fight it wouldn't have had that much impact because with doffy it took collaborative damage to get him to be unconcious had he started out with that punch (wel for one the town b a mess) it wouldn't have did as much damage as it did when he actually did it cuz he had a whole gear 4th session on top of it

... Luffy literally needed two gear 4ths to extreme diff an injured doffy (mind u with help of towns folk and law and not gonna mention the others pushing back the cage..)

Luffy one on one vs healthy doffy is not even a debate ... Hell even with gear 4th he still has a time limit which injured doffy was able to put out enough stamina to beat... With that time limit he will b unable to defend himself and he would lose ....
 

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So imagine if he went offensive

And if he did the last punch in beginning of fight it wouldn't have had that much impact because with doffy it took collaborative damage to get him to be unconcious had he started out with that punch (wel for one the town b a mess) it wouldn't have did as much damage as it did when he actually did it cuz he had a whole gear 4th session on top of it

... Luffy literally needed two gear 4ths to extreme diff an injured doffy (mind u with help of towns folk and law and not gonna mention the others pushing back the cage..)

Luffy one on one vs healthy doffy is not even a debate ... Hell even with gear 4th he still has a time limit which injured doffy was able to put out enough stamina to beat... With that time limit he will b unable to defend himself and he would lose ....
doffy couldnt go on the offensive that was his problem. luffy wasted a lot of time and never used that attack, he also thought he beat him and was waiting for the birdcage to go away but he was wrong and thus wasted more time for that finishing blow. and he was one punch away from a win that itself, and that shows you that he is quite close. and lets keep it real luffy wasnt fully healthy he was tired as well, and had many fights that day but still healthy doffy wins only at high diff.
 

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doffy couldnt go on the offensive that was his problem. luffy wasted a lot of time and never used that attack and he was one punch away from a win that itself, and that shows you that he is quite close. and lets keep it real luffy wasnt fully healthy he was tired as well, and had many fights that day but still healthy doffy wins only at high diff.
The only fight he had was against Bellamy if ur talking bout coliseum he ate after which means he was replenished cuz that's how luffy works....

And Bellamy by himself I think at best his damage output might be eqivilant to one counter shock from law

His damage out put is nothing compared. To law...


Also he was not just one hit away u act as if this hit was some random hit it has been the strongest hit luff has shown to date exeecpt for perhaps what he did to the big ship In fish man arc ..
 

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The only fight he had was against Bellamy if ur talking bout coliseum he ate after which means he was replenished cuz that's how luffy works....

And Bellamy by himself I think at best his damage output might be eqivilant to one counter shock from law

His damage out put is nothing compared. To law...


Also he was not just one hit away u act as if this hit was some random hit it has been the strongest hit luff has shown to date exeecpt for perhaps what he did to the big ship In fish man arc ..
it was a direct hit that was really strong which initially pushed doffy all the way into the town, doffy was pretty much done at that point and its apparent that hit was all it took. and at no point did dluffy try godsled which could have done doffy in but he didnt use it in his first G4 for idk what reason even towards the end.

yea he replenished but he kept getting knocked down and having to go through small fights and clashes and it runs out your stamina, and took bellamy's hits he was tired when he got there but yes his damage was less than doffy. but he wasn't fully healthy by any means.
 
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he said repair what more do u need its not full out healing yes, and also he didnt die later which we can see even from that panel is due to doffy repairing himself. ur assuming and making your own narrative. ur just saying plot when its convenient doffy even says hes reparing himself but we know hes not 100%.
So what was holding his organs together? In order for him to "repair" them, something would be needed to keep them from falling back apart. You said it wasn't the strings used to stitch them back up. They aren't held together the way organs are normally, through fused tissue, as they didn't heal. So my question is, what was holding his organs together so that they stayed repaired?

doffy couldnt go on the offensive that was his problem.
Incorrect. We saw Luffy dodging several of Doffy's Awakened attacks, which clearly means Doffy was on the offensive.
 

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So what was holding his organs together? In order for him to "repair" them, something would be needed to keep them from falling back apart. You said it wasn't the strings used to stitch them back up. They aren't held together the way organs are normally, through fused tissue, as they didn't heal. So my question is, what was holding his organs together so that they stayed repaired?
idk this doesnt use real world logic u do realize it a manga right. if he says he repaired it in some way thats what happened, he says he can fix it with some first with enough time, ive never heard of first aid that fixes your organs but its there in OP world. when h claims he repairs himself to some degree thats what we take it as, its that simple. and i can back it up with proof when he was unconscious you can tell he was somewhat healed or not have no organs.

yea he was mostly on the defensive, yes luffy dodged when doffy used his awakening but doffy was the one consistently getting hit not luffy.
 

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That's all I needed to hear. If you can't offer a solution to the plothole, other than "It's not a plothole because I say so," then it's a plothole.
lol funny how you ignore everything else shows how much of a bias you have. doffy survived with his powers which somehow repairs his organs. can you explain how exactly luffy uses haki and still has elastic properties, well we cant give exact answers so its a plot hole. LOL at that bs logic.
 
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