[Discussion] Luffys current power

[Punk Hazard]

lol funny how you ignore everything else shows how much of a bias you have. doffy survived with his powers which somehow repairs his organs. can you explain how exactly luffy uses haki and still has elastic properties, well we cant give exact answers so its a plot hole. LOL at that bs logic.

Everything else was just you saying "If it's said he repaired it, he repaired" in multiple ways.

No story is bulletproof. It's a plothole, plain and simple. It's not the first time it's happened in One Piece, and it certainly won't be the last. Unless you can show what else could be holding his organs together, it'll remain a plothole.

 

[OG sama]

G4 is better than Doffy in every way, so technically Doffy isn't stronger. Its just the fact that it doesn't last long enough for him to get the win. Doesn't matter though, as Luffy isn't even going to have a noticeable time limit in G4 for long, watch Luffy bust out new techniques and no time limit in his fight with Jack or whoever the MV of Zou is.

I think the better question to ask is, "When is anyone going to acknowledge Luffy as being stronger than Doflamingo?" Because even after this arc no matter what new technique Luffy pulls out if he legit beats Jack before G4 runs out people are just going to put Jack lower than Doflamingo.

When in reality, G4 doesn't have a fixed time limit, its going to last as long as the author wants it to last. But many people just don't see it this way, its sad when the only time we can notice Luffy got stronger is when he uses a new gear. New techniques should also be taken into consideration.

 

[Punk Hazard]

G4 is better than Doffy in every way, so technically Doffy isn't stronger. Its just the fact that it doesn't last long enough for him to get the win. Doesn't matter though, as Luffy isn't even going to have a noticeable time limit in G4 for long, watch Luffy bust out new techniques and no time limit in his fight with Jack or whoever the MV of Zou is.

I think the better question to ask is, "When is anyone going to acknowledge Luffy as being stronger than Doflamingo?" Because even after this arc no matter what new technique Luffy pulls out if he legit beats Jack before G4 runs out people are just going to put Jack lower than Doflamingo.

When in reality, G4 doesn't have a fixed time limit, its going to last as long as the author wants it to last. But many people just don't see it this way, its sad when the only time we can notice Luffy got stronger is when he uses a new gear. New techniques should also be taken into consideration.

You've only seen how G4 stacks against a Doflamingo that was weakened by GK, and even then, it wasn't enough to put down Doflamingo. There's no feasible way of saying it's better than 100% Doffy at this point.

 

[arv993]

Everything else was just you saying "If it's said he repaired it, he repaired" in multiple ways.

No story is bulletproof. It's a plothole, plain and simple. It's not the first time it's happened in One Piece, and it certainly won't be the last. Unless you can show what else could be holding his organs together, it'll remain a plothole.

um what else do u want, i thought repetition might help a guy who expects manga to make perfect sense. you do realize its fantasy right so we take what their powers can do for what it is. so sorry for repeating myself u seem like the type that needs it.

go ask oda buddy we all kno OP has plot holes but when a guy says he repairs it you dont look into the logic for it, if doffy didnt mention anything and he didnt die i would agree its a plot hole but he gave some explanation(although not precise) saying his powers help him repair himself so its not a plot hole. It manga>you not the other way around if it gave any explanation u take it for what it is.

 

[arv993]

G4 is better than Doffy in every way, so technically Doffy isn't stronger. Its just the fact that it doesn't last long enough for him to get the win. Doesn't matter though, as Luffy isn't even going to have a noticeable time limit in G4 for long, watch Luffy bust out new techniques and no time limit in his fight with Jack or whoever the MV of Zou is.

I think the better question to ask is, "When is anyone going to acknowledge Luffy as being stronger than Doflamingo?" Because even after this arc no matter what new technique Luffy pulls out if he legit beats Jack before G4 runs out people are just going to put Jack lower than Doflamingo.

When in reality, G4 doesn't have a fixed time limit, its going to last as long as the author wants it to last. But many people just don't see it this way, its sad when the only time we can notice Luffy got stronger is when he uses a new gear. New techniques should also be taken into consideration.

NB has a strong bias against main characters and even pirates, theres many ppl saying admirals= kaido when kaido is said to be WSC and has better hype. but the implications are obvious G4 was shown to be quite good and makes you see luffy is supposed to be close to doffy and the gap only gets smaller cuz its a relatively new tech.

 

[OG sama]

You've only seen how G4 stacks against a Doflamingo that was weakened by GK, and even then, it wasn't enough to put down Doflamingo. There's no feasible way of saying it's better than 100% Doffy at this point.

What has a healthy Doffy shown that suggest he could over power G4 though? The only thing I see healthy Doffy doing is winning because G4 ran out, he gets ass handed to him in the meantime based off what's been shown.

What if G4 showed no time limit from here on out, would your opinion change? Or are you still going to argue Duffy wins because he managed to simply outmaneuver one or two attacks? Because you have used that kind of logic before.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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Let's not forget that Doffy kept Luffy at bay for 20 minutes with his Awakening strings, forcing Luffy to dodge them and managing to strike and cut Luffy in at least one instance(second page).

um what else do u want, i thought repitition might help a guy who expects manga to make perfect sense. you do realize its fantasy right so we take what their powers can do for what it is.

go ask oda buddy we all kno OP has plot holes but when a guy says he repairs it you dont look into the logic for it,

Yes you do. That's how discussions work.

What has a healthy Doffy shown that suggest he could over power G4 though? The only thing I see healthy Doffy doing is winning because G4 ran out, he gets ass handed to him in the meantime based off what's been shown.

What if G4 showed no time limit from here on out, would your opinion change? Or are you still going to argue Duffy wins because he managed to simply outmaneuver one or two attacks? Because you have used that kind of logic before.

1. We haven't seen Doflamingo go all out

2. Weakened Doffy kept Luffy at bay for 20 mins using his Awakening strings, causing Luffy to be forced to dodge around them, and managed to strike Luffy with an Awakened attack that drew blood. A weakened Doflamingo also managed to blitz towards Luffy while he was in Gear 4. If a half-dead Doflamingo could speed into Luffy, keep him at bay for 20 mins, and still stand up after a G4 assault where he was beaten for 30 or so minutes, then it's obvious that a fully healthy Doflamingo could do much better. The decrease in his strength can be shown in the fact that an Ito Clone could swat away a Gear 2 attack, while Doffy himself was caught off-guard by a Gear 2 attack after GK struck.

 

[OG sama]

NB has a strong bias against main characters and even pirates, theres many ppl saying admirals= kaido when kaido is said to be WSC and has better hype. but the implications are obvious G4 was shown to be quite good and makes you see luffy is supposed to be close to doffy and the gap only gets smaller cuz its a relatively new tech.

Yep, what happened on dressrosa shouldn't even matter anymore. Because honestly, oda doesn't have a fixed time limit for G4, its going to last as long as he wants it to last. And its techniques are only going to get newer and stronger from here on out.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yep, what happened on dressrosa shouldn't even matter anymore. Because honestly, oda doesn't have a fixed time limit for G4, its going to last as long as he wants it to last. And its techniques are only going to get newer and stronger from here on out.

I guess it's plausible for me to say Luffy beats Akainu because Oda can just make Gear 4 last for three days straight and level islands if he wants to, and G4 will just get newer and stronger from here on out. Because that's how debating works

 

[OG sama]

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Let's not forget that Doffy kept Luffy at bay for 20 minutes with his Awakening strings, forcing Luffy to dodge them and managing to strike and cut Luffy in at least one instance(second page).




Yes you do. That's how discussions work.

What cut? There is no cut. It looks Like it touched him and did nothing, if your saying it noticeably hurt him the burden of proof is on you. He still has nothing that's actually going to overpower G4, you can't seriously say he will overpower him n his healthy state because he managed to actually touch G4 are you?

 

[Punk Hazard]

What cut? There is no cut. It looks Like it touched him and did nothing, if your saying it noticeably hurt him the burden of proof is on you. He still has nothing that's actually going to overpower G4, you can't seriously say he will overpower him n his healthy state because he managed to actually touch G4 are you?

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I suppose that's oil

 

[OG sama]

I guess it's plausible for me to say Luffy beats Akainu because Oda can just make Gear 4 last for three days straight and level islands if he wants to, and G4 will just get newer and stronger from here on out. Because that's how debating works

The thread is called, Luffys current power. I have no idea why you brought up Akainu, someone who is much stronger than Luffy is into this. Akainu could probably overwhelm G4 at the moment.

But Doflamingo isn't Akainu, and can't overpower G4, he can only win when it runs out. Every attack he somehow manages to land will do little or nothing, NF the rest of his attacks just straight up arent landing. If he could keep G4 up as long as he wants, with his stats so far he would definitely beat Doflamingo and that's my point.

G4 is going to be useless on Akainu if he can't even hurt him, it won't matter how long it last, not comparable.

 

[OG sama]

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I suppose that's oil

Fine its blood, one cut that hardly affected the battle isn't proving much.

He manages to cut him, big deal. Most of his techniques wont land and haven't landed.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The thread is called, Luffys current power. I have no idea why you brought up Akainu, someone who is much stronger than Luffy is into this. Akainu could probably overwhelm G4 at the moment.

But Doflamingo isn't Akainu, and can't overpower G4, he can only win when it runs out. Every attack he somehow manages to land will do little or nothing, NF the rest of his attacks just straight up arent landing. If he could keep G4 up as long as he wants, with his stats so far he would definitely beat Doflamingo and that's my point.

G4 is going to be useless on Akainu if he can't even hurt him, it won't matter how long it last, not comparable.

I'm using your logic. Even though the thread says "current Luffy," you're pointing out how Luffy will be stronger in the future. So, I'm using your logic. Because Oda can make G4 destroy islands, I'm gonna say Luffy beats Akainu. I mean, isn't that how it works? Because Oda will remove limits in the future, I can make that assessment about current Luffy, as you're doing?

Fine its blood, one cut that hardly affected the battle isn't proving much.

He manages to cut him, big deal. Most of his techniques wont land and haven't landed.

It shows that if Doffy, while half-dead, can keep Luffy at a distance for 20 straight minutes and slice through him, then 100% Doffy can obviously do many times better. So, to say G4 stomps 100% Luffy because of how you saw it fair against a severely weakened Doffy is foolish.

 

[OG sama]

I'm using your logic. Even though the thread says "current Luffy," you're pointing out how Luffy will be stronger in the future. So, I'm using your logic. Because Oda can make G4 destroy islands, I'm gonna say Luffy beats Akainu. I mean, isn't that how it works? Because Oda will remove limits in the future, I can make that assessment about current Luffy, as you're doing?

It shows that if Doffy, while half-dead, can keep Luffy at a distance for 20 straight minutes and slice through him, then 100% Doffy can obviously do many times better. So, to say G4 stomps 100% Luffy because of how you saw it fair against a severely weakened Doffy is foolish.

Its a new arc, Luffy is always busting out things we haven't seen, he may not have shown them but we all know they're coming. Zou arc Luffy is the current Luffy, and he will most likely have newer and stronger techniques.

You still seem to have that belief that Doffys strings grew weaker which makes no sense, Doffys health was the only thing that was affected, and there's nothing suggesting that other than Doffy organs, his strings were weakened. But for the sake of argument lets say it is weaker, an injured base Luffy was still able to take getting impaled by them, a G4 Luffy is doing much better.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Its a new arc, Luffy is always busting out things we haven't seen, he may not have shown them but we all know they're coming. Zou arc Luffy is the current Luffy, and he will most likely have newer and stronger techniques.

You still seem to have that belief that Doffys strings grew weaker which makes no sense, Doffys health was the only thing that was affected, and there's nothing suggesting that other than Doffy organs, his strings were weakened. But for the sake of argument lets say it is weaker, an injured base Luffy was still able to take getting impaled by them, a G4 Luffy is doing much better.

And what has current Luffy shown that makes it viable for you make the claims you've been making?

Seeing as Jozu was helpless to them, but Luffy could break out, I'd say they got a tad weaker

 

[OG sama]

And what has current Luffy shown that makes it viable for you make the claims you've been making?

Seeing as Jozu was helpless to them, but Luffy could break out, I'd say they got a tad weaker

A tad weaker or stronger isn't going to cut it. And whose to say G4 Luffy isn't very strong physically? He may have not lifted an entire iceberg but whose to say he cant? He hasn't done anything to prove he couldn't.

 

[Punk Hazard]

A tad weaker or stronger isn't going to cut it. And whose to say G4 Luffy isn't very strong physically? He may have not lifted an entire iceberg but whose to say he cant? He hasn't done anything to prove he couldn't.

He hasn't done anything to prove he can. Also, you really think Luffy is at the level where he can stall Kuzan?

 

[arv993]

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Let's not forget that Doffy kept Luffy at bay for 20 minutes with his Awakening strings, forcing Luffy to dodge them and managing to strike and cut Luffy in at least one instance(second page).




Yes you do. That's how discussions work.



1. We haven't seen Doflamingo go all out

2. Weakened Doffy kept Luffy at bay for 20 mins using his Awakening strings, causing Luffy to be forced to dodge around them, and managed to strike Luffy with an Awakened attack that drew blood. A weakened Doflamingo also managed to blitz towards Luffy while he was in Gear 4. If a half-dead Doflamingo could speed into Luffy, keep him at bay for 20 mins, and still stand up after a G4 assault where he was beaten for 30 or so minutes, then it's obvious that a fully healthy Doflamingo could do much better. The decrease in his strength can be shown in the fact that an Ito Clone could swat away a Gear 2 attack, while Doffy himself was caught off-guard by a Gear 2 attack after GK struck.

no u dont when said person doesnt give u a valid exxplanation this is why ppl have interviews and oda answers qestions that arent clear in the manga. but fact is doffy claims to repair/fix his organs, why would he lie, his stats in terms of being able to use his techs didnt go down and he didnt die from unconsciousness, all of it suggests hes not nearly dead. ur making it seem like doffy is miles ahead when he clearly isn't. don't argue with manga statements especially recent ones which dont get retconned as easily.

 

[Punk Hazard]

no u dont when said person doesnt give u a valid exxplanation this is why ppl have interviews and oda answers qestions that arent clear in the manga. but fact is doffy claims to repair/fix his organs, why would he lie, his stats in terms of being able to use his techs didnt go down and he didnt die from unconsciousness, all of it suggests hes not nearly dead. ur making it seem like doffy is miles ahead when he clearly isn't. don't argue with manga statements especially recent ones which dont get retconned as easily.

Oh, by the way, Doffy never said he repaired them. In the official translation, he says his strings are reconstructing them. Which supports what I said earlier: His strings pulled them back together to bring back function. However, that still means something has to be holding the organs together. The fact of the matter is, something has to be holding the organs together. And the manga panel blatantly shows his strings forming stitches, so what else could be holding his organs together? Use your brain.