Kakuzu vs Onoki

[Kagustuchi]

Hiruzen benifited from Edo Tensei a lot allowing him to spam the toolset he did have in his Old Form. His quick attacks with Large Shruiken Bunshin and large scale Jutsu let him interrupt Jinton. He's also better in CQC than Onoki/Kakuzu. He's also faster, he's simply a better matchup for Onoki and has manga implication as well. Despite how old it may be.

Edo Tensei made him stronger than either of them. That being said, Onoki wins this.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Onoki wins

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Your comparison is 100% garbage because being able to travel 3 trees widths doesn't equal him being able to do the same with it's length. And no Katon or Fuuton Kakuzu has is equal to 3-4 tree widths combined. I'd like for you to stop making shit up now.

Your making this too complicated when its not. Its not hard to get KG. I clearly stated our previous argument shows the distance/gap between each Trees themselves as to why you wanted me to prove KAkuzu elements is big enough to engulf a Buijuu/Boss Summon. But you left that part out and went on a rant with my comparison. So let me break this down again, as your doing everything your power strip deductive reasoning:

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The distance between the trees is about half the length of trees base on the lines drawn.

@Underline And Im getting augmentative when we already went through this?:

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I never said that a low tier could do the same exact thing at the same exact speed, I said that showing those movement lines doesn't help your argument because low tiers have been shown doing it before. Why don't you stop being an idiot and start posting actual speed feats like anyone would do when trying to make an argument. Me being able to produce scans of low tiers doing this doesn't help your argument as you literally have no feat.

Anyway, here you go.

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Then how about reading my argument properly because clearly what I was compare is the speed it takes from jumping/leapingto point A to point B. Not travel speed From A to B.

Or we can leave it at the fact that you simply don't have proof for anything you are saying, which is alright. I didn't expect anything more from you considering your predictable pattern of argumentation.

Lol

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hiruzen benifited from Edo Tensei a lot allowing him to spam the toolset he did have in his Old Form. His quick attacks with Large Shruiken Bunshin and large scale Jutsu let him interrupt Enton. He's also better in CQC than Onoki/Kakuzu. He's also faster, he's simply a better matchup for Onoki and has manga implication as well. Despite how old it may be.

Edo Tensei made him stronger than either of them. That being said, Onoki wins this.

Edo Tensei doesnt make you strong, fact. Only thing he benefits is his stamina gets restore

@Bold what?

Hiruzen having better Taijutsu is not relevant for Onoki match up.

Hiruzen is not faster than Kakuzu

 

[Kagustuchi]

Edo Tensei doesnt make you strong, fact. Only thing he benefits is his stamina gets restore

@Bold what?

Hiruzen having better Taijutsu is not relevant for Onoki match up.

Hiruzen is not faster than Kakuzu

Which is the whole point he definately had grown weak, but his stamina is what took the largest hit. So bad it was stated he shouldn't even be using Bunshin, stamina indirect makes him much stronger.

As an Edo he's fought much faster adversaries comparatively

 

[EZQ]

Edo Tensei doesnt make you strong, fact. Only thing he benefits is his stamina gets restore

@Bold what?

Hiruzen having better Taijutsu is not relevant for Onoki match up.

Hiruzen is not faster than Kakuzu

Old Hiruzen a lil bit stronger <<< Old hiruzen without pain restrain and stamina restrain,

In Hiruzen's case, the edo tensei benefited him a lot.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Which is the whole point he definately had grown weak, but his stamina is what took the largest hit. So bad it was stated he shouldn't even be using Bunshin, stamina indirect makes him much stronger.

As an Edo he's fought much faster adversaries comparatively

Old Hiruzen a lil bit stronger <<< Old hiruzen without pain restrain and stamina restrain,

In Hiruzen's case, the edo tensei benefited him a lot.

I agree

Edit: But Hiruzen fighting faster characters doesnt mean he gets speed boost. In fact Kakuzu portray of being faster gives could replicate his movement speed.

 

[KidGamer65]

Your making this too complicated when its not. Its not hard to get KG. I clearly stated our previous argument shows the distance/gap between each Trees themselves as to why you wanted me to prove KAkuzu elements is big enough to engulf a Buijuu/Boss Summon. But you left that part out and went on a rant with my comparison. So let me break this down again, as your doing everything your power strip deductive reasoning:

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The distance between the trees is about half the length of trees base on the lines drawn.

@Underline And Im getting augmentative when we already went through this?:

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Then how about reading my argument properly because clearly what I was compare is the speed it takes from jumping/leapingto point A to point B. Not travel speed From A to B.



Lol

There is nothing to get because you practically don't have an argument. Even this comparison is a 100% failure since you can't show that every tree is spaced out the same distance nor can you show that the trees in that particular area where Kakuzu, Choji and Shikamaru were are also spaced out the same exact way.

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-What's that? Trees closer together than what the trees in your page are? Yup. :lol

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-What? Another one? :lol What do you see there buddy? Cause I see that the distance between those trees is nowhere near half the length of a single tree. Even if I stupidly agreed with the logic you are using here:

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The line shows the distance that it crossed, but plus a bit more since Kakuzu is behind those trees and not aligned. Not as long as a tree thus not as long as you think it is. Not sure why you tried to circle the cut off parts of the last two trees when Gian doesn't go past them by feats. It reaches from Kakuzu to Choji and Shikamaru, who are in front of those last 2 trees.

The distance between the trees is about half the length of trees base

And this is baseless. Just like 99% of your BS claims.

Lol wtf? The speed at which he jumped from A to B is the same thing as his travel speed. I suggest you say what you really mean, but this time coherently so you don't end up contradicting yourself by mistake. Lmfao.

Keep using shit logic.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

There is nothing to get because you practically don't have an argument. Even this comparison is a 100% failure since you can't show that every tree is spaced out the same distance nor can you show that the trees in that particular area where Kakuzu, Choji and Shikamaru were are also spaced out the same exact way.

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-What's that? Trees closer together than what the trees in your page are? Yup. :lol

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-What? Another one? :lol What do you see there buddy? Cause I see that the distance between those trees is nowhere near half the length of a single tree. Even if I stupidly agreed with the logic you are using here:

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The line shows the distance that it crossed, but plus a bit more since Kakuzu is behind those trees and not aligned. Not as long as a tree thus not as long as you think it is. Not sure why you tried to circle the cut off parts of the last two trees when Gian doesn't go past them by feats. It reaches from Kakuzu to Choji and Shikamaru, who are in front of those last 2 trees.

Then your wasting my time, since all your doing is being augmentative about it. Theres no way of measuring the whole battle field but its literally not important when you use deductive reasoning. We can literally see the background/location completely

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/ S-y-m-m-e-t-r-i-c-a-l.

Are you done being dumb KG? All these scans you posing are vertical views points. The measures I use shows Shikimaru's point of view (him jumping and throwing down Kunai) is more dynamic from his and our view. Which means we get a better view from the location and distance. If the scans you use was the same as my view, the Trees would show no overlapping from each other.

And this is baseless. Just like 99% of your BS claims.

Lol wtf? The speed at which he jumped from A to B is the same thing as his travel speed. I suggest you say what you really mean, but this time coherently so you don't end up contradicting yourself by mistake. Lmfao.

Keep using shit logic.

More augmentative arguments. I post the distance between the trees from the base (black line) and it was longer then 30-40% of the Trees shown(red line). But lets not use reasoning to say if the line goes further up it would at least reach 50% of the tree.

KG whatever you think jump = movement is on you. I determine that Ghost Mask reach further distance then they could ever do by feats. And you have yet showed that for low tier characters.

-You posting that scan only shows that they move fast, therefore Mask moving fast too doesnt mean its fast enough for my claims to be true. Yet I showed the distance they reach during that time. Which you have yet show a low tier doing. Come again

 

[KidGamer65]

Then your wasting my time, since all your doing is being augmentative about it. Theres no way of measuring the whole battle field but its literally not important when you use deductive reasoning. We can literally see the background/location completely

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/ S-y-m-m-e-t-r-i-c-a-l.

Are you done being dumb KG? All these scans you posing are vertical views points. The measures I use shows Shikimaru's point of view (him jumping and throwing down Kunai) is more dynamic from his and our view. Which means we get a better view from the location and distance. If the scans you use was the same as my view, the Trees would show no overlapping from each other.

Do I have to teach a dumb kid what symmetrical means? :lol. The placements of those trees are not symmetrical nor is a certain area of trees representative of the entire battlefield. So stop using shitty logic for at least one post and stop trying to argue with reasoning we all know is flawed.

Irrelevant. It being a vertical viewpoint doesn't matter when you know (not really, but we are just going along with it for the sake of this counter) the distance between those trees shown in the panel. And crossing that distance is not enough to validate your garbage claim. What's even funnier is that you've yet to show an actual scan comparing the distance between Kakuzu and Shikamaru IN THAT PARTICULAR SCAN.

:lol Please stop.

Like I said, learn how to scale and measure instead of acting like you know what you are talking about when in reality you have no idea what you are talking about. None whatsoever. Doesn't help that all your posts are incoherent as hell.

More augmentative arguments. I post the distance between the trees from the base and it was longer then 30-40% of the Trees shown. But lets not use reasoning to say if the line goes further up it would at least reach 50% of the tree.

Oh look. EjBlack pulling numbers out of his ass.

KG whatever you think jump = movement is on you. I determine that Ghost Mask reach further distance then they could ever do by feats. And you have yet showed that for low tier characters.

Except I never said I could nor did I say I would. That's just your shitty ass reading comprehension failing you again. You tried to use their appearance as they jumped as evidence it was fast enough to validate your claims and the scans of low tier characters having the same appearance as they jump means that this alone isn't evidence. The distance they traveled is also completely fucking irrelevant when they have to travel that distance in a certain time if they want to get Onoki. Ala speed. Something that has already been mentioned. Now you are trying to misconstrue my point in bringing up fodder because you don't have a real argument as for how the masks kill Onoki before he uses Jinton.

Your head. Remove it from your ass and then we can continue.

 

[Zexion~]

Then why are you surprised that i responded when you were clearly addressing the point i made whether or not you know i made it, like i just said. Lol stop.

What? That was EJ's quote andyou shouldnt have replied if you weren't saying Golems could block Atsugai.