[VS] Ems Sasuke vs War Arc Kakashi

[EZQ]

Dude your post is weird, it doesn't let me quote the things inside the quote. Anyways:

1-You're using an old scan from Kakashi's kamui. Its sad you know, to help your argument you are using a scan from Kakashi's kamui against the gedo mazo, when he clearly showed he improved a lot with kamui.

2-Sasuke having better pre-cog doesn't mean anything when he can't do anything to Kakashi's kamui. Are you suggesting that him having more pre-cog means he'd use amaterasu faster than Kakashi uses kamui? That's crazy

You keep saying things like Amaterasu and Susano arrows barrage when Sasuke won't be on time to even stabilitze his susano before he gets warped away. I really don't get what you're arguing.

Kakashi starts the fight with kamui --> Sasuke gets warped away and your counter argument is that Sasuke uses susano arrows somehow? When kamui is showed to be faster than anything Sasuke has until that point, and claimig sasuke has better pre-cog doesn't mean anything since pre-cog doesn't aid the speed of his attacks, and even if he reacts to kamui he can't do anything.

 

[BLAZE]

Dude your post is weird, it doesn't let me quote the things inside the quote. Anyways:

Yeah Becoz i said this is not Amaterasu Vs kamui thread and thus quoted that part myself

1-You're using an old scan from Kakashi's kamui. Its sad you know, to help your argument you are using a scan from Kakashi's kamui against the gedo mazo, when he clearly showed he improved a lot with kamui.

Same goes in case of Amaterasu.The only timed Sasuke's amaterasu failed to land on target was against A and JJ obito both superior to him in reaction and speed.It even landed on naruto[though anticipated and countered] even when sasuke couldn't control his eye

No one is denying he improved his Kamui but trying to act that he oneshots anyone who has superior precog and speed feats becoz kakashi was only able to kamui an arm of Gedo Mezo is just :|

2-Sasuke having better pre-cog doesn't mean anything when he can't do anything to Kakashi's kamui.

Hurr Durr

Are you suggesting that him having more pre-cog means he'd use amaterasu faster than Kakashi uses kamui? That's crazy

what da F.I nvr said that
I said he could avoid kamui becoz of better Precog.Kamui is superior to amaterasu in both offense and defence and thats a fact.But this is not kamui vs Amaterasu thread

 

[EZQ]

Yeah Becoz i said this is not Amaterasu Vs kamui thread and thus quoted that part myself



Same goes in case of Amaterasu.The only timed Sasuke's amaterasu failed to land on target was against A and JJ obito both superior to him in reaction and speed.It even landed on naruto[though anticipated and countered] even when sasuke couldn't control his eye

Irrelevant. You're comparing Rinnegan Sasuke's amaterasu with EMS Sasuke's. Even rinnegan Sasuke's amaterasu got completely anticipated, so there's no reason to believe MS Sasuke's or EMS Sasuke's amaterasu is better. I won't use the JJ Obito example tho, since a JJ obviously is a god in front of such a fodder tech as amaterasu.

No one is denying he improved his Kamui but trying to act that he oneshots anyone who has superior precog and speed feats becoz kakashi was only able to kamui an arm of Gedo Mezo is just :|Hurr Durr

Still waiting for you to prove how on earth does Sasuke having better pre-cog than Kakashi help him to do something about Kakashi using kamui on him...

what da F.I nvr said that
I said he could avoid kamui becoz of better Precog.Kamui is superior to amaterasu in both offense and defence and thats a fact.But this is not kamui vs Amaterasu thread

Ok finally you explained your argument.

So, in your opinion Sasuke having better precog than Kakashi helps him because?

1- Sasuke has better precog, so, it means he can react to Kamui mentally
2- Still, he's not fast enough to dodge it
3- He can't shield from it

So, again, how on earth does Sasuke avoid Kamui? Him having better pre-cog than Kakashi is irrelevant since Kakashi would be the one attacking first, since his tech is a lot faster. Sasuke can't dodge, nor do anything about Kamui.
He has better precog than Kakashi, but that doesn't help his case. He'd be able to mentally react to kamui, nothing else.

 

[hatake axel]

Scenario 1: SASUKE
Sasuke is vastly above Kakashi in Kenjutsu and Taijutsu.
He has more chidori variations and has shown to be alot faster.

Scenario 2: KAKASHI
I hate saying this, because it makes me sound like a a complete fanboy.
And I personally think this techique ruined Kakashi's character.
But, Kamui will give him the win.
Kakashi was able to react to Sasuke's Susanoo Arrow, wich is among is fastest techniques.
After that he got better at using it, and used Kamui againts Obito without letting him notice.

 

[NarutoX28]

EMS Precog being superior to MS means what now in this fight? How will Sasuke win in CQC?

You just stated it. Having Superior Precognition vastly increases reflexes which is a major component in CQC. It's what literally separated EMS Sasuke from being trashed like SM Naruto was against Blind Madara.

Irrelevant, Madara's complimenting Sasuke's movements being fluid doesn't mean they're better than Kakashi's.

Madara literally complimented Sasuke's abilities in reflexes.

The same guy continued to trash both SM Naruto and Tobirama, the latter who displayed better reflexes than KCM Minato. Keep in mind Kakashi pissed himself at BM Naruto's speed and literally believed it was Base Minato's own speed. EMS Sasuke is well up there and performed the best against Madara compared to everybody. Even Base Hashirama got absolutely trashed prior while Madara was completely Blind.

Hell, EMS Sasuke could read Juubito's speed whereas Kakashi couldn't even detect BM Naruto's Shunshin.

Irrelevant, Sasuke's confrontation with Madara didn't involve him having to react to anything. Nothing. You've proven SM Naruto cant react to RT Madara (well he did just a bit, he managed to put up a guard at least) but you've failed to prove Sasuke can, or would do any better in the same situation.

No. SM Naruto can't react to Blind Madara.

EMS Sasuke literally performed better when he wasn't bich-slapped and was actually complimented by Madara w/ Sage Sensing. What makes matters worse is when SM Naruto was scorched by Madara's Weaker Katon whereas EMS Sasuke, somebody who should be physically inferior due to lack of Sage Enhancements just blocked it while being entirely engulfed in the flames.

Wrong, Sasuke has shown the ability to perceive and react mentally on the same level as Naruto.

BSM Naruto with physically capabilities that outclasses both KCM and SM Naruto's capabilities as stated before.

Put EMS Sasuke on the ground in a fight where he needs to physically react and is limited to his own bodily movements and most top tier CQC fighters (Tobirama, Minato, Madara, Kakashi, Itachi, Bee etc) will trash the fuck out of him despite all of them being slower than Jubito because their actual bodily speeds are faster than Sasuke's which is what he'll need to react to like Lee explained. "

That's funny. Madara w/ Sage Sensing didn't trash EMS Sasuke whereas Madara literally trashed Tobirama, impaled him with multiple rods, and called him trash. Had Madara wanted to, he could've stolen Sasuke's eyes, but him not doing so means he couldn't trash EMS Sasuke. Keep in mind that Tobirama's capabilities in CQC are above the users that you already mentioned.

Even if Sharngan can see it, your actual body needs to be fast enough to react, counter, strike etc or it'll be useless." Not sure if thats the direct quote but thats the gist of it.

Which it is as Madara complimented his body movements.

Madara didn't block, he caught the sword with his arm. This is also irrelevant because Madara had no eyes and was perceiving everything through sensory. If Madara had his MS like Kakashi would have, it still wouldn't change his own bodily speeds but he would have not been hit by the sword because he'd know it was coming beforehand.

Doesn't matter b/c we're comparing Sasuke's performance compared to Madara w/ Sage Sensing compared to other people's performances such as Base Hashirama, SM Naruto, and Tobirama.

That's if I assume Madara actually had to block. He had no precog where as Kakashi has MS and will be able to see Sasuke much better than Madara did not to mention Madara was toying with Sasuke, unless you think Sasuke actually stands a chance against an EMS Madara in CQC, let alone a SM Madara.

Madara had Sage Precognition.

Kakashi's base reflexes don't compare to Madara, so I'm not sure why you're comparing the two.

Visually perceiving Jubito doesn't mean he can physically react move at those speeds as well. Already addressed the Madara point.

Are we really debating scenario 2? I'd like to hear your counter for Kamui then.

It does. His reaction timing was on par with BSM Naruto's and as stated before, he has superior combat speed to Tobirama potentially.

Susano'o literally counters Kamui as Kamui has to penetrate Susano'o in order to warp Sasuke seeing as how Kakashi couldn't Kamui through Juubidara's Gudoudama.

 

[BLAZE]

Irrelevant. You're comparing Rinnegan Sasuke's amaterasu with EMS Sasuke's. Even rinnegan Sasuke's amaterasu got completely anticipated, so there's no reason to believe MS Sasuke's or EMS Sasuke's amaterasu is better. I won't use the JJ Obito example tho, since a JJ obviously is a god in front of such a fodder tech as amaterasu.

Yeah a exhausted Sasuke who couldn't control his left Eye
and again you brought Rinnegan sasuke in here not me

Still waiting for you to prove how on earth does Sasuke having better pre-cog than Kakashi help him to do something about Kakashi using kamui on him...

Yup becoz someone who has better Precog gets one shotted by kamui.
Then i think not even a single person can defeat war arc kakashi[Except Rikudo chakra users]

Ok finally you explained your argument.

So, in your opinion Sasuke having better precog than Kakashi helps him because?

If he was able to track down strike juubito or was able to stab SM Madara he will be able react and avoid kamui

1- Sasuke has better precog, so, it means he can react to Kamui mentally
2- Still, he's not fast enough to dodge it
3- He can't shield from it

The same guy who was abe to land an attack on SM Madara whose lesser version blitzed War arc SM Naruto :|

So, again, how on earth does Sasuke avoid Kamui? Him having better pre-cog than Kakashi is irrelevant since Kakashi would be the one attacking first, since his tech is a lot faster. Sasuke can't dodge, nor do anything about Kamui.
He has better precog than Kakashi, but that doesn't help his case. He'd be able to mentally react to kamui, nothing else.

becoz.
Sasuke has speed to feats to literally react to Juubito's attack that blitzed both Hashirama and Tobirama

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sasuke was able to travel and use Susanoo before Juubito attacked

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[onepieceuc1]

Scenario 1: Kakashi mid-diff because he is much more clever and intelligent than Sasuke. As a ninja, Kakashi is at least as good as him. But Sasuke will never become as intelligent as his master is. He was even praised by the Rikudo due to his leadership and strategies.

Scenario 2: If sasuke makes a wall with Amaterasu to hide himself and goes all out he can win this. But if Kakashi strikes first he wins so I don't know... It depends on each case but once again what makes the difference here is that Kakashi is the most clever ninja in a direct fight. And when there is not much difference in power, everyone is in disadvantage against him so Kakashi wins this Very High diff eventually.

EDIT: For example, Rinnegan Sasuke would stomp him due to their different league. Too much power for Sasuke !

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Scenario 1: SASUKE
Sasuke is vastly above Kakashi in Kenjutsu and Taijutsu.
He has more chidori variations and has shown to be alot faster.

Scenario 2: KAKASHI
I hate saying this, because it makes me sound like a a complete fanboy.
And I personally think this techique ruined Kakashi's character.
But, Kamui will give him the win.
Kakashi was able to react to Sasuke's Susanoo Arrow, wich is among is fastest techniques.
After that he got better at using it, and used Kamui againts Obito without letting him notice.

Going with this, I guess.

 

[EZQ]

Yeah a exhausted Sasuke who couldn't control his left Eye
and again you brought Rinnegan sasuke in here not me


Yup becoz someone who has better Precog gets one shotted by kamui.

Are you dumb or what? You just come here acting like you have the right word but you still haven't explained how does better pre-cog help sasuke dodge Kamui if he doesn't have the physicall speed to get away from it

Then i think not even a single person can defeat war arc kakashi[Except Rikudo chakra users]

Well, you think wrong.

-Fast people (on Ay's speed level?
-People who have a tech that can block LoS instantly
-People with their own S/T jutsu

Can beat Kakashi

If he was able to track down strike juubito or was able to stab SM Madara he will be able react and avoid kamui

Then, you are still bringing useless feats:

-Him tracking down Juubito only talks about his sharingan pre-cog. He has enough pre-cog to realize Kamui is being used, but still lacks the speed

-How on earth does he stabbing a blind Madara who didn't even try to dodge Sasuke's stab prove he can get out of Kakashi's LoS on pure speed?

The same guy who was abe to land an attack on SM Madara whose lesser version blitzed War arc SM Naruto :|

Again, Madara wasn't moving, he was a static target.

becoz.
Sasuke has speed to feats to literally react to Juubito's attack that blitzed both Hashirama and Tobirama

Mentally react to attacks = Better precog =/= Physicall speed. Did he have the physicall speed to keep up with Juubito? Hell no

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sasuke was able to travel and use Susanoo before Juubito attacked

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Lmfao

-The distance Sasuke was to Naruto was barely 5m
-Juubito was using mayflay thus he wasn't going at full speed
-That only talks about how fast he can put up his ribcage susano, which is useless against Kamui.

So, unless you are bringing an actual feat from Sasuke that indicates that he has al least enough physicall speed to get out from Kakashi's LoS before he uses Kamui on him, stop replying because this is getting dumb as **** and you are doing nothing but repeating a flawed logic that says better precog = dodges.

 

[BLAZE]

Are you dumb or what? You just come here acting like you have the right word but you still haven't explained how does better pre-cog help sasuke dodge Kamui if he doesn't have the physicall speed to get away from it
Well, you think wrong.

-Fast people (on Ay's speed level?
-People who have a tech that can block LoS instantly
-People with their own S/T jutsu

Can beat Kakashi

Oh yeah someone reacting to and having feats to track down Juubito dosen't count fast enough then i surely rest the case.
Madara[before gaining SM] blitzed past SM Naruto who had enough speed and reflexes to dodge third raikage but according to you madara didn't even try to dodge sasuke smh

Then, you are still bringing useless feats:

-Him tracking down Juubito only talks about his sharingan pre-cog. He has enough pre-cog to realize Kamui is being used, but still lacks the speed

Juubito went past both naruto and sasuke but they sasuke was able to keep up with BSM Naruto in attempt to reach juubito and strike him

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-How on earth does he stabbing a blind Madara who didn't even try to dodge Sasuke's stab prove he can get out of Kakashi's LoS on pure speed
?

He tried dodge them

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and then even complimented it to sasuke's movement

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Mentally react to attacks = Better precog =/= Physicall speed. Did he have the physicall speed to keep up with Juubito? Hell no

Yeah he has thats why he was keeping up with BSM Naruto
Obito got past through them

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Both were able to track him and attack

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Lmfao

-The distance Sasuke was to Naruto was barely 5m

sure

-Juubito was using mayflay thus he wasn't going at full speed

okay sure thus he knocked out both Mintato and his clone later on despite being engaged with Naruto and sasuke

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-That only talks about how fast he can put up his ribcage susano, which is useless against Kamui.

So you think Kakashi is as fast as Juubito now huh :lol

So, unless you are bringing an actual feat from Sasuke that indicates that he has al least enough physicall speed to get out from Kakashi's LoS before he uses Kamui on him, stop replying because this is getting dumb as **** and you are doing nothing but repeating a flawed logic that says better precog = dodges.

So Keeping up with BSM Naruto to strike juubito isn't an actual feat
Neither is stabbing SM Madara whose lesser version blitzed past war arc SM Naruto then sure sasuke dosen't have any feats
Yup Logic is Flawed becoz the only Logic that can be accept here is Kamui GG ,Kamui oneshot and others

sad that it nvr oneshotted anyone
Edit: @bold if they aren't feats then yeah surely kamui oneshots

 

[Bogard]

Kamui GG

 

[EZQ]

Thanks for posting a scan that shows Madara totally clowning Sasuke in speed, and obviously let himself get hit to block sasuke's sword.

Lmao, don't even expect a counter since i already told you, your arguments are crap, and you keep ignoring my points.

Pre-cog doesn't mean anything here
Sasuke didn't tag Juubito at full speed, just when he was static
Sasuke has already showed to be a lot slower than Ay (neccesarry speed to get out of a MS user's LoS)

The examples of BSM Naruto are as stupid as they get since Sasuke was travelling at that speed because he was inside his legged susano, which obviously moves faster than himself, but here he doesn't get to activate susano before kamui.

SMH

 

[Apêx1]

Thanks for posting a scan that shows Madara totally clowning Sasuke in speed, and obviously let himself get hit to block sasuke's sword.

Lmao, don't even expect a counter since i already told you, your arguments are crap, and you keep ignoring my points.

Pre-cog doesn't mean anything here
Sasuke didn't tag Juubito at full speed, just when he was static
Sasuke has already showed to be a lot slower than Ay (neccesarry speed to get out of a MS user's LoS)

The examples of BSM Naruto are as stupid as they get since Sasuke was travelling at that speed because he was inside his legged susano, which obviously moves faster than himself, but here he doesn't get to activate susano before kamui.

SMH

Huh? He still resorted to using his own body to survive, so Sasuke did put him in a bad enough position where he couldn't outright dodge. And don't compare MS Sasuke with EMS Sasuke lmao. Will let Sabo guy reply to the rest tho

 

[EZQ]

Huh? He still resorted to using his own body to survive, so Sasuke did put him in a bad enough position where he couldn't outright dodge. And don't compare MS Sasuke with EMS Sasuke lmao. Will let Sabo guy reply to the rest tho

You saying Madara couldn't outright dodge when he was literally dodging any attack Sasuke made, and when Sasuke finally landed a hit it is revealed that Madara did that on porpuse to block Sasuke's sword as a restraining method.

And in the case you haven't noticed, this guy is using:

-Sasuke's tracking feats (don't even understand why this guy thinks Pre-cog makes sasuke fast enough to dodge kamui)
-Sasuke's striking speed feats against an opponent who obviously wasn't going at full speed since he was back pedaling him, and he never outrun him either (so this feat is not showing sasuke's full speed nor madara's)
-Sasuke's feats inside his legged susano (he can't keep up with Naruto's avatar speed without his legged susano, which he can't put up and start to move all before kamui is performed)

To counter Kamui. To counter kamui you must get out of Kakashi's LoS before he attempts kamui, which requires high travelling speed, which this guy above hasn't refered to on his 5 posts

 

[Apêx1]

Smh at you sayinh Madara couldn't outright dodge when he was literally dodging any attack Sasuke made, and when Sasuke finally landed a hit it is revealed that Madara did that on porpuse to block Sasuke's sword.

Sick logic bro. Sasuke cornered him and then screamt 'die' at his last attack. He was confident that last attack would connect, Madara would'v been hit had he not used his arm. Sasuke could do that because of how well he moves due to his Choku tomoe. It was not revealed that he did that on purpose, lmfao. Where are you getting this from? Unless you give me a SUPPORTED reason as to why Madara would decide to let himself be stabbed instead of outright dodging and smashing his face in, you have no point.

And in the case you haven't noticed, this guy is using:

-Sasuke's tracking feats (don't even understand why this guy thinks Pre-cog makes sasuke fast enough to dodge kamui)
-Sasuke's striking speed feats against an opponent who obviously wasn't going at full speed since he was back pedaling him, and he never outrun him either (so this feat is not showing sasuke's full speed nor madara's)
-Sasuke's feats inside his legged susano (he can't keep up with Naruto's avatar speed without his legged susano, which he can't put up and start to move all before kamui is performed)

To counter Kamui. To counter kamui you must get out of Kakashi's LoS before he attempts kamui, which requires high travelling speed, which this guy above hasn't refered to on his 5 posts

-Lol, agreed that it makes no sense.
-Still a big feat though, he's right to use it if talking about Sasuke's speed, but there's probably a better feat then that.
-Agreed that he's not making sense.

Still though, I hope you haven't forgotten of our IC debate already. This time OP even STIPULATED IC for you. So don't mention Kamui gg when he won't use Kamui instantly. But anyways, I'd like to think Katon can deal with Kamui's LoS just fine, and a spam of Susano arrows/enton projectiles that travel as fast as FRS would also do just fine in ending Kakashi since Kakashi's Kamui wouldn't be able to keep up with the barrage of arrows/enton projectiles.

 

[EZQ]

Sick logic bro. Sasuke cornered him and then screamt 'die' at his last attack. He was confident that last attack would connect, Madara would'v been hit had he not used his arm. Sasuke could do that because of how well he moves due to his Choku tomoe. It was not revealed that he did that on purpose, lmfao. Where are you getting this from? Unless you give me a SUPPORTED reason as to why Madara would decide to let himself be stabbed instead of outright dodging and smashing his face in, you have no point.

Okay not gonna bother. This scan only shows striking speed and movement speed from Sasuke.

-Lol, agreed that it makes no sense.
-Still a big feat though, he's right to use it if talking about Sasuke's speed, but there's probably a better feat then that.
-Agreed that he's not making sense.

I agree that it's a big feat, about Sasuke making good moves and having nice reflexes and all. This doesn't talk about Sasuke's travelling speed on foot. Sasuke does have good feats on that category, and using the one against madara is not the best,

Still though, I hope you haven't forgotten of our IC debate already. This time OP even STIPULATED IC for you.

Honestly i didn't read the IC thing. I concentrated on the restrictions on the scenarios.

So don't mention Kamui gg when he won't use Kamui instantly. But anyways, I'd like to think Katon can deal with Kamui's LoS just fine, and a spam of Susano arrows/enton projectiles that travel as fast as FRS would also do just fine in ending Kakashi since Kakashi's Kamui wouldn't be able to keep up with the barrage of arrows/enton projectiles.

-Fire requires hand seals and inhaling-exhaling. If we're still talking about kamui in the first second of the fight, this is not a valid counter, since Kamui spawns faster than Sasuke making handseals. If this is IC, then of course.

-I never argued Kakashi beating EMS Sasuke once susano is up. The subject was him warping Sasuke away before he uses susano.

 

[BLAZE]

Thanks for posting a scan that shows Madara totally clowning Sasuke in speed, and obviously let himself get hit to block sasuke's sword.

Yeah sasuke was totally confident in last panel

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and madara compliments him on next page.
also sasuke was standing opposite to hashi

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and was still able to land a strike a SM madara

Lmao, don't even expect a counter since i already told you, your arguments are crap, and you keep ignoring my points.

which point exactly
KAMUI gg

Pre-cog doesn't mean anything here

so without precog or sensing anyone can dodge kamui huh

Sasuke didn't tag Juubito at full speed, just when he was static

i was talking about him keeping up with BSM naruto's attack

Sasuke has already showed to be a lot slower than Ay (neccesarry speed to get out of a MS user's LoS)

yup MS sasuke

The examples of BSM Naruto are as stupid as they get since Sasuke was travelling at that speed because he was inside his legged susano, which obviously moves faster than himself, but here he doesn't get to activate susano before kamui.

SMH

they both are in char and only argument from you is kamui gg.kakashi just kamui's him at start of battle
when has kakashi done that

 

[EZQ]

Yeah sasuke was totally confident in last panel

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and madara compliments him on next page.
also sasuke was oppostite to hashi

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and was still able to land a strike a SM madara

which point exactly
KAMUI gg


so without precog or sensing anyone can dodge kamui huh

i was talking about him keeping up with BSM naruto's attack

yup MS sasuke

they both are in char and only argument from you is kamui gg.kakashi just kamui's him at start of battle
when has kakashi done that

Lmao. You only brought up the IC thing because you saw Apex posted it. You never considered it as a part of your argument and that's why you were arguin Sasuke dodging Kamui on speed alone, which was poorly supported as everyone else said your arguments were no good.

I only conceeded here because they mindset is IC. But if you still think Sasuke can dodge kamui then i advice that you better try harder on your arguments.

-Sasuke against madara only showed high striking speed, not movement speed, as Madara was backpedaling him, he wasn't as full speed.

-Precog and Sensing would only work to help sasuke realize Kakashi is using kamui, but if he doesn't have the speed to get out, he's done, and your example didn't help the case

-You say he keeps up with BSM Naruto's attacks and you still ignoring that happens inside his susano.

Please...

 

[BLAZE]

Lmao. You only brought up the IC thing because you saw Apex posted it. You never considered it as a part of your argument and that's why you were arguin Sasuke dodging Kamui on speed alone, which was poorly supported as everyone else said your arguments were no good.

??????
i didn't even read his post
@bold yes and i conceded if you don't believe either of them are speedefeats

But if you still think Sasuke can dodge kamui then i advice that you better try harder on your arguments.

like madara was not serious and juubito was not at full speed[despite him knocking minato and his clones]

-Sasuke against madara only showed high striking speed, not movement speed, as Madara was backpedaling him, he wasn't as full speed.

sasuke started from opposite direction and was still able to land attack on SM madara[superior version of that blitzed war arc sm naruto]

-Precog and Sensing would only work to help sasuke realize Kakashi is using kamui, but if he doesn't have the speed to get out, he's done, and your example didn't help the case

yup i only stated precog as a factor to dodge and already stated if sasuke does not have speed the kamui GG or did you even read my post @50

You say he keeps up with BSM Naruto's attacks and you still ignoring that happens inside his susano.

Please...

okay

 

[Silent Hero]

Kakashi obviously loses both.