Hirudora got smaller because the air pressure compresses itself and then explodes. I'm saying the one we saw against Madara had already been compressed. If it's strength increases with size, then that'd actually mean Madara Hirudora>Kisame Hirudora, but then again.......the explosion for the one against Kisame seems to be far larger than the explosion for the one used on Madara. So I'm probably wrong here anyway.
The explosion being bigger could be because of it happening underwater. But I agree that the Hirudora used on Madara was stronger. What I don't agree with is the bold. Compression isn't even a thing for Hirudora. It just gets bigger smaller, because of the power Gai puts behind his punch. Manga showed a bigger Hirudora packing a bigger punch. The one he used on Kisame weakened because of the water. The one on Madara was still smaller than what he showed initially against Kisame, as Gai was far from fresh, and was sitting down, which reduced the power behind the punch.
The explosion being bigger could be because of it happening underwater. But I agree that the Hirudora used on Madara was stronger. What I don't agree with is the bold. Compression isn't even a thing for Hirudora. It just gets bigger smaller, because of the power Gai puts behind his punch. Manga showed a bigger Hirudora packing a bigger punch. The one he used on Kisame weakened because of the water. The one on Madara was still smaller than what he showed initially against Kisame, as Gai was far from fresh, and was sitting down, which reduced the power behind the punch.
Uh, no. Gai clearly says that it focuses a massive amount of pressure into a single point (compression) and then releases it. Then Kisame outright states that he thought it was shrinking because of GSB, but realizes it was shrinking because of it's ability. The bold makes zero sense since it got smaller after it was used, not before.
Amaterasu spawns at a certain distance from the user, and from there, it travles.
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Why does Gai need to keep himself outside of Sasuke's LoS? Amaterasu's size is small before it hits something. After it hits it can spread, but not fast enough to catch Gai.
So Amaterasu also travels from point A to point B from a certain distance. It doesn't just appear on the opponents face.
It spawns right at the opponent and then needs to attach itself onto the opponent before the opponent can dodge. Look at the image you posted, the Amaterasu appeared right at Ay as a ball and then spread out/began dispersing (but not on Ay) and kept travelling and hit the Samurai's armor afterwards. So once again, PLEASE post a reaction speed 6th Gate Gai has that substantiates dodging Amaterasu or stop fuking replying to me as this is getting ridiculous. Amaterasu is much faster then Gudo Dama so your entire point is completely illogical.
That would actually explain why Kisame didn't die or get severely wounded from the attack. If he didn't maximally compress the attack then the explosion's energy per area would be much smaller then when the explosion was smaller but in turn had more energy per area. Just my take on it though.
Well, considering it went from being a size larger than Bijuu to a size near Gai's height (in terms of it's height alone) I'd say that he compressed it as much as possible.
Uh, no. Gai clearly says that it focuses a massive amount of pressure into a single point (compression) and then releases it. Then Kisame outright states that he thought it was shrinking because of GSB, but realizes it was shrinking because of it's ability. The bold makes zero sense since it got smaller after it was used, not before.
It wouldn't make sense though. If what you're saying is right, it means that the small Hirudora right before it reached Kisame packs the greatest punch, due to it being so much compressed. But its feat is not even being able to kill Kisame, where as a bigger Hirudora(less compressed) busted V3 Susanoo. Either that Kisame's bare body durability is >>>>v3, or I'm missing something. :lol
Ok that was stupid of me. So let's argue what puts the Raikage at above v3 Susano level durability then. You said you can elaborate if needed so I presume your argument is already thought out or written out.
Raikage tanked Rasenshuriken enhanced by KCM which gives it at least a 3x boost in power. Raikage was also Edo, and less durable than he would be when alive (Base Lee with a Kyubi cloak
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whereas 6th Gated Gai was unable to decapitate 30% Kisame with a kick [
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2. SM Rasenshuriken made a mountain sized explosion [
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3. SM Rasenshuriken held down and weakened 50% Kurama [
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which broke free from it.
In conclusion Raikage is much more durable than V3 Susanoo.
It wouldn't make sense though. If what you're saying is right, it means that the small Hirudora right before it reached Kisame packs the greatest punch, due to it being so much compressed. But its feat is not even being able to kill Kisame, where as a bigger Hirudora(less compressed) busted V3 Susanoo. Either that Kisame's bare body durability is >>>>v3, or I'm missing something. :lol
-It was weakened from it being underwater and it going through GSB and the fact that he didn't want to kill Kisame/
-The one used on Madara is actually stronger.
-Susanoo wasn't destroyed.
Raikage tanked Rasenshuriken enhanced by KCM which gives it at least a 3x boost in power. Raikage was also Edo, and less durable than he would be when alive (Base Lee with a Kyubi cloak
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whereas 6th Gated Gai was unable to decapitate 30% Kisame with a kick [
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1. A much weaker Fuuton already bored a hole through it [
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2. SM Rasenshuriken made a mountain sized explosion [
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3. SM Rasenshuriken held down and weakened 50% Kurama [
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which broke free from it.
In conclusion Raikage is much more durable than V3 Susanoo.
-First of all, let's mention how the feats inside Naruto's mind are completely inconsistent with the outside world's. TBB is literally stopped by the Hachibi's weakened hand without even moving back, let alone being punctured
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. Shurikens have cut his tails in the past, Gobi has also punctured Bee's upper body by merely slamming his horns into him. TBB should be FAR stronger and have literally gone right through him.
-Naruto was flying in his mind
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-Naruto's clones all entered SM when the original entered SM
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-Naruto's Rasengan was about 3 times the size of the Kyuubi's head
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-Naruto can use sealing techniques in his mind
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So this leads me to believe that the things in Naruto's mind aren't consistent with the real world. Thus the rest of your comparisons don't really matter. Not to mention, it inflicted scuff marks on a weaker version of Kurama. It did not make him bleed or cut him or anything of the like. So back to square one, nothing suggests Raikage is beyond v3 Susano durability.
Edit: Btw, mountain range FRS explosion is inconsistent with the FRS's explosion
-It was weakened from it being underwater and it going through GSB and the fact that he didn't want to kill Kisame/
-The one used on Madara is actually stronger.
-Susanoo wasn't destroyed.
I agree with the first and second point. Madara's susanoo was destroyed. Madara himself took damage. He was all dusty looking the first time we see him after the Hirudora
Your example is shit because they collided against eachother from a frontal attack from both. If i start running against a car and we hit eachother, does that mean i'm as fast as the car? No.
If my dog is about to be run over by a car, and i'm nowhere to be seen, and at last moment i cover a big enough area in a short ammount of time to save the dog, does that mean i'm as fast as the car? not necesarely. Does that mean i'm very fast?- Yes it does
That was your logic, actually. I jokingly expanded on it. You didn't get that, man? Now, you actually admit how incredibily stupid it sounds. I like an honest man.
No, because Gai was nowhere on the panel. You don't know where he was. So, show me a panel and not a page from your fiction. What the hell does 'intercepting Kamui' even mean, by the way? Whatever it is, it sounds insanely absurd.
That was your logic, actually. I jokingly expanded on it. You didn't get that, man? Now, you actually admit how incredibily stupid it sounds. I like an honest man.
No, because Gai was nowhere on the panel. You don't know where he was. So, show me a panel and not a page from your fiction. What the hell does 'intercepting Kamui' even mean, by the way? Whatever it is, it sounds insanely absurd.
1- Yet, your joke about my logic had nothing to do with the logic i was using
2- No man. I'm talking about TSB being intercepted, not kamui. Kamui doesn't travel.
If Gai covered a long distance in the short time ammount in which TSB travels from Madara to where Kakashi was, then we call that fast. What don't you get?
1- Yet, your joke about my logic had nothing to do with the logic I was using
2- No man. I'm talking about TSB being intercepted, not Kamui. Kamui doesn't travel.
If Gai covered a long distance in the short time amount in which TSB travels from Madara to where Kakashi was, then we call that fast. What don't you get?
Please, don't try to be witty. Most of you fail at it. Stick to the topic.
Right. Which sounds equally preposterous as the same logic applies. By the way, your sentences are very hard to read. At first it seemed like you stated he intercepted TSB, then Kamui and then it's back to TSB again.
Madara was quite far away and still your logic makes no sense:
Kamui does allow you to travel:
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- It's called interdimensional travel.
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- Kamui's warping isn't instant.
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- Again, Kamui's warping isn't instant. To even compare Amaterasu's speed to its warping action is sheer nonsense. As:
1- Kakashi's Kamui has been cancelled more than once by Obito, when the warp point was on target and the warping action happening.
2- Kakashi's warping again failed against the Mezo.
3- The warp point was on paralyzed Sasuke when Obito stopped the warping.
4- Minato had enough time to escape during the process of being warped, twice, against Obito.
Instant indeed.
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- Kurama also prevented the speedy travel. Madara outright mentions it.
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- He also was not using anything faster and deadlier so that he wouldn't harm the Rinnegan. Another thing he mentions. He's mentioning Limo here.
Also, let me guess, Lee in 6 gates intercepted five TSBs without moving at Gai's speed - all he did was throw a Kunai - before Gai in Red Gate could even make it to them, and Minato reacted twice, with two consecitive FTGs to warp them out of the way. Not to mention Minato told Gai to keep going:
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And Minato specifically told Gai not to touch the stick and the spheres:
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That proves one thing for sure (I'll get to the other hilarious parts later) that those TSBs were meant to kill him, just like later, when he lay as a comotose and drooling mess on the ground:
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So, let's get to the facts:
- Minato in KCM lost a damn arm, and couldn't use FTG twice, against JJ Obito; one time JJ Obito smacked him and his clone away with his legs (it was hilarious to watch) and the other time he took his arm out. The former time, he was just a rampaging monster:
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But according to you, since TSBs are so damn fast (ignoring Madara's own opinions on the matter, concerning Limo, Kurama and the latter affecting the warp speed), Minato in base can react much faster because he intercepted TSBs, and used FTG twice at that before Gai in Red mode to even touch them. So, Base Minato >>>> Red Gai >>>> JJ Obito >>>> KCM Minato. Did I get it right? Because ... because TSBs are so fast.
Let's not forget it's the same dude, who launched 4 air cannons in air. Madara was paralyzed, but still:
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So base Minato and Lee are faster than 8th Gate Gai (airborne lol?) because they intercepted the TSBs and he couldn't even move out of the way? Not to mention since Sakura ran under Kaguya's arm, she should be faster than 8th gate Gai. Am I right?
And, Gai was told not to touch them and he didn't, and we saw how Madara tried to kill him twice, which is why Minato and Lee interupted him in the first place, but somehow (with ZERO proof in the manga), he kicked the TSB away and Base Minato and Sakura and Lee are faster than 8th gate Gai because they got to the TSBs first and Sakura performed better against a faster enemy.
I forgot Kakashi and Gaara. Gaara's sand moved faster than 8th Gate Gai in air and Kakashi used Kamui and warped a good chunck away before Gai to make it there, and to save him from touching it. When Gaara claimed his attacks are slower thn Madara's (TSBs):
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In fact, Gai is literally almost on TSB's ass when Kakashi and Gaara's sand reaches there. So, Gaara's sand and Kakashi's Kamui Warping (that has been cancelled repeatedly) >>> 8th Gate Gai, since who cares about how interception works:
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Now I know you are just grasping at straws and this is some baseless nonsense. Yeah, Amaterasu straight on his face and he dies. Period.
-First of all, let's mention how the feats inside Naruto's mind are completely inconsistent with the outside world's. TBB is literally stopped by the Hachibi's weakened hand without even moving back, let alone being punctured
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. Shurikens have cut his tails in the past, Gobi has also punctured Bee's upper body by merely slamming his horns into him. TBB should be FAR stronger and have literally gone right through him.
Um no, feats inside Naruto's mind aren't inconsistent with the outside world's nor is there any reason for them to be. That's just you downplaying what's happened. Nor does this disprove anything else I wrote since FRS has a feat outside of Naruto's mind that surpasses its feats VS Kurama (the one that caused a mountain sized explosion.)
-TBB being stopped by Hachibi's hand only means that the Bijuu Dama didn't have enough force to bulldoze right through it without exploding. Stop acting like that's some unrealistic feat when:
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with enough force to send them flying for miles in different directions.
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and shove it in Madara's face.
So what if shurikens cut Hachibi tentacles? Let's stop comparing piercing attacks to a ball with force behind it :lol.
Then there's the fact that Bijuu Dama in wave form is weaker than ordinary TBB considering KN4 Naruto's TBB couldn't get past one Rashomon gate, and Suigetsu survived a giant explosion at point blank range with just a water shield. The explosion still turned Hachibi into a puddle (despite full Hachibi tanking its own TBB in canon), so its explosion wasn't any weaker than a normal TBB explosion would be.
That was REAL LIFE Naruto entering Sage Mode due to not moving. Every clone in Naruto's mind retains some consciousness from him. If it was only the original Naruto inside his mind entering SM, then the clones wouldn't have entered SM too.
So this leads me to believe that the things in Naruto's mind aren't consistent with the real world. Thus the rest of your comparisons don't really matter. Not to mention, it inflicted scuff marks on a weaker version of Kurama. It did not make him bleed or cut him or anything of the like. So back to square one, nothing suggests Raikage is beyond v3 Susano durability.
-Naruto's feats inside his mind aren't inconsistent with the real world.
-Even if they were, there's no correlation between the feats you showed and the fact that either FRS would have to be much stronger or Kurama would have to be much weaker than they are in the outside world for your argument to make sense.
-Even if I was somehow wrong about the above two points, the rest of my argument can't just be disregarded because:
-FRS has a better feat than anything that's happened in Naruto's mind.
-KCM was giving Rasenshuriken at least a 3x boost in power, but Raikage still tanked it.
-Edo Raikage mind you who is less durable than alive Raikage.
-A much weaker fuuton still cut through Susanoo in canon.
-Nowhere did you actually give proof that Kirin is strong enough to kill the Raikage.
Being inconsistent doesn't mean you can disregard it. That is FRS's biggest explosion, so we can just assume Naruto never fully expanded it bar that time.
Btw the scuff marks argument is dumb. FRS isn't a piercing attack, so no reason it should cut through Kurama's skin and make him bleed. Hachibi didn't bleed after surviving its own TBB, but it bled after getting pierced by a bijuu's horns. Guess horned bijuu head butt is stronger than TBB. :lol
Um no, feats inside Naruto's mind aren't inconsistent with the outside world's nor is there any reason for them to be. That's just you downplaying what's happened. Nor does this disprove anything else I wrote since FRS has a feat outside of Naruto's mind that surpasses its feats VS Kurama (the one that caused a mountain sized explosion.)
Mountain sized explosion doesn't mean anything when you can't gauge the energy per area, and it didn't do any significant damage to the area, it merely sent out debris. If it destroyed a mountain then obviously you'd have a point, but creating a mountain sized explosion in and of itself does not constitute to mountain busting destructive capacity unless you can prove that. The feat is also inconsistent with the two other times FRS exploded, which leads me to believe this feat does not put FRS anywhere near Kirin. Only thing that might have would have been damaging the Kyuubi with scuff marks. But the mind feats aren't consistent with outside world.
-TBB being stopped by Hachibi's hand only means that the Bijuu Dama didn't have enough force to bulldoze right through it without exploding. Stop acting like that's some unrealistic feat when:
-Kurama's tails
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with enough force to send them flying for miles in different directions.
-Mokujin can
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and shove it in Madara's face.
So what if shurikens cut Hachibi tentacles? Let's stop comparing piercing attacks to a ball with force behind it :lol.
Then there's the fact that Bijuu Dama in wave form is weaker than ordinary TBB considering KN4 Naruto's TBB couldn't get past one Rashomon gate, and Suigetsu survived a giant explosion at point blank range with just a water shield. The explosion still turned Hachibi into a puddle (despite full Hachibi tanking its own TBB in canon), so its explosion wasn't any weaker than a normal TBB explosion would be.
Lol, exactly. Biju Dama didn't have enough force to bulldoze right through a WEAKENED hand (Hachibi himself said he was weaker there). And oh my god. Did you just use Kyuubi and Mokujin as comparisons with the Hachibi? Kyuubi and Mokujin being able to do it does not mean jack for Hachibi. The Kyuubi is not slightly stronger then the Hachibi, the Kyuubi is in its own league entirely. Same with Mokujin that's stronger then 50% Kurama.
Piercing attacks and a ball of force cannot be compared? I hope you know the only difference with cutting attacks and blunt force attacks is the area in which they are exerting their force on. Doesn't change the fact that the TBB would have so much momentum that its overall energy per area would still be FAR larger then the small area the Shuriken applies its force on. Here's the massive horns of the Gobi going through Hachibi's body
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despite, once again, carrying far less momentum then something like a TBB. And mind you, this is a non-weakened Hachibi, and this Hachibi did not stop the attack without being pierced/moving back given he flew insanely far.
Rashomon didn't get destroyed? Re-read the chapters, all of them get destroyed with ease
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. Rest is irrelevant since you clearly have your shit mixed up, because nothing in the whole world could prove this as a consistency smh. TBB would've punctured a hole right through his hand.
When you can correlate that to FRS's offensive power, then we'll talk.
Sweet counter, proved that Naruto's mind=consistent with real world.
That was REAL LIFE Naruto entering Sage Mode due to not moving. Every clone in Naruto's mind retains some consciousness from him. If it was only the original Naruto inside his mind entering SM, then the clones wouldn't have entered SM too.
-Naruto's feats inside his mind aren't inconsistent with the real world.
-Even if they were, there's no correlation between the feats you showed and the fact that either FRS would have to be much stronger or Kurama would have to be much weaker than they are in the outside world for your argument to make sense.
-Even if I was somehow wrong about the above two points, the rest of my argument can't just be disregarded because:
-FRS has a better feat than anything that's happened in Naruto's mind.
-KCM was giving Rasenshuriken at least a 3x boost in power, but Raikage still tanked it.
-Edo Raikage mind you who is less durable than alive Raikage.
-A much weaker fuuton still cut through Susanoo in canon.
-Nowhere did you actually give proof that Kirin is strong enough to kill the Raikage.
-Yet you failed to disprove the Hachibi occasion, and the other occasions which suggest the subconscious is different.
-Which is exactly what's being asserted when I brought up how weak his TBB is.
-Mountain sized explosion=/=mountain busting. Not to mention, more occasions that go against that explosion's size, so resorting to this single occasion and disregarding all others is rather biased.
-SM is also a boost so I don't see where you're going with that.
-Not necessarily.
-Baseless claim that the Futon is much weaker despite its amplification.
-Destroyed v3 Susano, calcs.
Being inconsistent doesn't mean you can disregard it. That is FRS's biggest explosion, so we can just assume Naruto never fully expanded it bar that time.
Btw the scuff marks argument is dumb. FRS isn't a piercing attack, so no reason it should cut through Kurama's skin and make him bleed. Hachibi didn't bleed after surviving its own TBB, but it bled after getting pierced by a bijuu's horns. Guess horned bijuu head butt is stronger than TBB. :lol
Lol, that's exactly what it means. It makes it an outlier because every other scenario it was used, KCM and SM, it was not even remotely close to that size. Naruto never fully expanded it bar that time? LOL. Completely illogical given he's been capped at like 3-4 FRS per SM usage in the Pain arc, which means that he puts equal amounts of chakra into all of them.
FRS isn't a piercing attack? Is this supposed to be a joke? FRS leaves massive craters in the ground due to its penetrative capabilities [
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]. TBB is completely different then FRS, FRS would make Hachibi bleed like he has Haemophilia. TBB does not exert force at all, it does not have a blast like an explosion does. It's purely energy, so you can't compare it at all. Not that it matters since your argument is flawed, because Hachibi did not tank his own TBB at all, and was bleeding profusely
Mountain sized explosion doesn't mean anything when you can't gauge the energy per area, and it didn't do any significant damage to the area, it merely sent out debris. If it destroyed a mountain then obviously you'd have a point, but creating a mountain sized explosion in and of itself does not constitute to mountain busting destructive capacity unless you can prove that. The feat is also inconsistent with the two other times FRS exploded, which leads me to believe this feat does not put FRS anywhere near Kirin. Only thing that might have would have been damaging the Kyuubi with scuff marks. But the mind feats aren't consistent with outside world.
First off, I'm going to ask for proof of the bold, because we don't see the area that FRS hit post-explosion. Second, a mountain-sized explosion is a feat that holds significance. The fact that it has a capacity to make an explosion that size obviously speaks for its power given that the size of an explosion correlates with its strength. You'll find proof of this in almost every single instance in the manga. It being inconsistent with its other explosions is irrelevant.
Yes, this feat does show that FRS has mountain busting capabilities.
1. The
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a) It said the word "easily" which indicates that DB doesn't say that just for the hell of it.
b)Chidori was carving away
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. Chidori=Rasengan. Chou Oodama Rasengan with a SM boost >>>>>>> Rasengan. So evidence shows COR can bust at least a small mountain, which is confirmed by DB.
3. SM: Rasenshuriken is canonically more than 25 times stronger than Chou Oodama Rasengan. Kurama vs 25 SM CORs:
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Kurama vs one FRS:
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4. Base Naruto's Rasengan was eating its way through Madara's ribcage Susanoo without even exploding [
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Lol, exactly. Biju Dama didn't have enough force to bulldoze right through a WEAKENED hand (Hachibi himself said he was weaker there). And oh my god. Did you just use Kyuubi and Mokujin as comparisons with the Hachibi? Kyuubi and Mokujin being able to do it does not mean jack for Hachibi. The Kyuubi is not slightly stronger then the Hachibi, the Kyuubi is in its own league entirely. Same with Mokujin that's stronger then 50% Kurama.
Piercing attacks and a ball of force cannot be compared? I hope you know the only difference with cutting attacks and blunt force attacks is the area in which they are exerting their force on. Doesn't change the fact that the TBB would have so much momentum that its overall energy per area would still be FAR larger then the small area the Shuriken applies its force on. Here's the massive horns of the Gobi going through Hachibi's body
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despite, once again, carrying far less momentum then something like a TBB. And mind you, this is a non-weakened Hachibi, and this Hachibi did not stop the attack without being pierced/moving back given he flew insanely far.
Rashomon didn't get destroyed? Re-read the chapters, all of them get destroyed with ease
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. Rest is irrelevant since you clearly have your shit mixed up, because nothing in the whole world could prove this as a consistency smh. TBB would've punctured a hole right through his hand.
Stop it. You've literally given me no reason to believe that a ball-shaped object would bulldoze its way through the Hachibi's hand. This feat is absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. It's literally the same principle as catching a ball. Even if the ball is going very fast, does it go fast enough to where it will literally leave a hole in your hand, or disconnect your hand from your wrist? :lol nope. On the other hand, a knife thrown at a slower speed will push its way through your hand because it's a pointy object and focuses its energy at a single point.
-It being a weakened hand is irrelevant since there's no reason that even a Hachibi not at full power can't catch a TBB.
-If a tail whip from BM Avatar can send fling away five TBBs for miles in each direction, than Hachibi catching 50% Kurama's TBB in its hand is hardly an unrealistic feat. :lol.
-I'll agree on the Rashomon point.
Oh wait, but Naruto levitating means you can just disregard all feats inside Naruto's mind because it's convenient for you? Smh. That's like saying I can ignore all of Konan's feats against Obito just because she had prep.
-Yet you failed to disprove the Hachibi occasion, and the other occasions which suggest the subconscious is different.
-Which is exactly what's being asserted when I brought up how weak his TBB is.
-Mountain sized explosion=/=mountain busting. Not to mention, more occasions that go against that explosion's size, so resorting to this single occasion and disregarding all others is rather biased.
-SM is also a boost so I don't see where you're going with that.
-Not necessarily.
-Baseless claim that the Futon is much weaker despite its amplification.
-Destroyed v3 Susano, calcs.
-There was nothing to disprove with the Hachibi occasion. The burden of proof is on you, since you haven't proved to me why a TBB would have enough force to bulldoze its way through Hachibi's hand leaving a hole in it.
-His TBB was not weaker than ordinary. It still turned the Hachibi into a puddle despite Hachibi tanking TBB outside of Naruto's mind.
-I've given proof that it's mountain busting. And for the last time. THAT IS RASENSHURIKEN'S BEST FEAT. It's not biased, it's the manga for Christ's sake. In Gai threads which Hirudora feat do people arguing for Gai use? The one that obliterated V3, or the one that couldn't kill Kisame? Its other explosions not being as big is irrelevant.
-KCM boost is more powerful. Icelerate made an argument for it one time, but I can't find it. Waiting on his reply.
-Yes necessarily.
-No, it isn't baseless. We know exactly how much Baku's suction amplifies fuuton. A single one of Danzo's wind slashes couldn't cut through V2, but three wind slashes cut through V3 when enhanced. FRS boosted by at least 3x >>> Danzo's fuuton given the feats I've gone over. This much should be obvious.
Lol. This run-on sentence right here is the ONLY argument you've given in this ENTIRE thread where you've actually stated why you think Kirin kills the Third. Proof has been given for FRS destroying V3 Susanoo as well, and you've conveniently downplayed it by saying feats inside of Naruto's mind can be ignored. And lol, how can Kurama inside Naruto's mind not be at full power when that was the occasion where we see Kurama make its biggest Bijuu Dama ever in the manga, despite being weakened after a barrage of CORs + 2 Rasenshurikens?
I'd like to see this "calc" because I call BS on it. There's no way Kirin is 3x more powerful than FRS, given manga feats. You are literally claiming that the Third Raikage is no more durable than a V3 Susanoo :lol I can't.
Lol, that's exactly what it means. It makes it an outlier because every other scenario it was used, KCM and SM, it was not even remotely close to that size. Naruto never fully expanded it bar that time? LOL. Completely illogical given he's been capped at like 3-4 FRS per SM usage in the Pain arc, which means that he puts equal amounts of chakra into all of them.
That is Naruto's best feat so I'm going to use it. Sorry if you don't like what Kishimoto wrote and drew. If you say it has a size inconsistency in that moment, then you'd also have to say it has a speed inconsistency since that FRS crossed the CT crater in 1 second...yet Deva still evaded it at point blank range. Are you also going to deny Kishimoto's very words, and say FRS can't cross a crater that size in 1 second? Or are you going to make another false argument, like words>pictures?
FRS isn't a piercing attack? Is this supposed to be a joke? FRS leaves massive craters in the ground due to its penetrative capabilities [
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]. TBB is completely different then FRS, FRS would make Hachibi bleed like he has Haemophilia. TBB does not exert force at all, it does not have a blast like an explosion does. It's purely energy, so you can't compare it at all. Not that it matters since your argument is flawed, because Hachibi did not tank his own TBB at all, and was bleeding profusely
Uhh...nowhere did you actually give proof that FRS is a piercing attack. It has millions of tiny needles sure, but overall it is an explosive attack because the needles all hit the target at once to make a giant explosion. FRS can obliterate V2 Susanoo. Does that mean each microscopic individual needle can bore its way through Susanoo armour? Obviously not. Overall durability =/= durability per unit. Okay, I was wrong about TBB not making Hachibi bleed.
