MS Sasuke vs 7th Gate Gai

[Lord Tywin]

Terrible logic. As Susanoo increases in level, the durability of each "layer" increases pound for pound and overall since it gets larger and adds more chakra. By your logic, since the Kage bodyguard's combined attack can wreck v1, it should take a layer off V2. Except V2 tanked it with zero damage when Sasuke upgraded.

V4 Susanoo is V3 Susanoo wearing new armor. That armor>>V3 Susanoo in durability. If Gai's Hirudora caps at V3 Susanoo, then normally V4 would only take moderate damage, if at all considering V2 tanked what V1 was destroyed by with zeroo damage. Since Madara's Susanoo is stronger than Sasuke's, V4 might end up taking heavy damage instead of low to moderate. Then the second Hirudora would destroy the rest of the V4 armor and damage V3. Then he'd need a 3rd Hirudora to finish Gai off.

Then there's an argument that Beans made which puts 3rd Raikage equal to V4 Susanoo in durability, and Raikage tanked FRS with no damage despite it having the elemental advantage. I'll find it later, but if that argument is right, then Gai never puts a scratch on V4 Susanoo with Hirudora.

What I think is that it comes down to the size of Hirudora Gai uses against Sasuke. 2 would definitely kill Sasuke

 

[shelke]

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Intercepted a TSB that was fast enough to prevent Kakashi from using Kamui, which is way ffaster than amaterasu. Enjoy yourself

Kamui is faster than Amaterasu? No. Even Intangibility, that is automactic, fails. Interception doesn't mean he's faster than a projectile. You probably should look into what interception means.

 

[EZQ]

Kamui is faster than Amaterasu? No.

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To intercept a projectile you must cover a bigger area than you have to cover to dodge. Don't put words in my mouth anyways. I never said Gai is faster than TSB. He was just able to intercept it. If he had to dodge it, he would have to cover a much shorter distance on the same period of time.

 

[Red Neca]

Guy low/mid diff

 

[Apêx1]

This is where you're wrong. If Kirin could do more than that, it would have destroyed Susanoo and killed the user inside. But it didn't, because Itachi wa unharmed.

Ok that was stupid of me. So let's argue what puts the Raikage at above v3 Susano level durability then. You said you can elaborate if needed so I presume your argument is already thought out or written out.

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Once again, being faster then Gudo Dama does NOT mean he can REACT to Amaterasu. Gudo Dama TRAVELLED

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whereas Amaterasu appears instantly next to you and you basically have the shortest moment to actually dodge. So once again, please let me know what allows Gai to react to something that appears instantly at his location (he reacted to something which MOVES to its target, not even comparable to Amaterasu in the slightest), and please let me know of the feats which suggest he can get out of Sasuke's MS vision with pure speed (since Amaterasu follows the user's gaze).

 

[shelke]

To intercept a projectile you must cover a bigger area than you have to cover to dodge. Don't put words in my mouth anyways. I never said Gai is faster than TSB. He was just able to intercept it. If he had to dodge it, he would have to cover a much shorter distance on the same period of time.

Yeah, that totally proved me wrong. Forget the actual feat against Intangibility.

You clearly used that as an excuse to validate your argument that Gai dodges Amaterasu ... because ... because interception. Funny, Madara launched rods at Enton Arrows which are proven to be only avoidable via S/T tech unless they aren't being strung (which would explain Danzo sprouting the tree). They landed into the arrows. So, that means those rods are as fast as Enton Arrows. Logic! If a man runs into a car going above 150 mph, he's running at the same speed. Logic. Not to mention Madara (or you) had no clue where Gai was, from where he started etc.

He isn't even a sensor. How is he dodging it, again? Wait, he looks down and fights and at 7 gates no less; a feat he has never shown. Sorry, don't see it. He gets hit with Amaterasu and burns to death within a second or two.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Isn't 7th Gate Gai faster than V2 Ay who already dodged Amaterasu?

 

[Curse Mark]

No. He lost control of the wood dragon because he got blasted back. There is ZERO scan to support this fan fiction.



Yeah, because that requires chakra to perform. Oh wait ... And I love the debators drawing tiny little, pointless lines to prove sizes. It's so adorable.



Show me the image where Susano'o was shown. I'll wait.

P.s: FRS = Kirin?

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Tiny little pointless lines to determine size? Oh you mean interpreting the drawings as they're meant to be?
Aren't you the one quoted in saying you like trolling and passing it off as facts or something like that

 

[Unorthodox]

Kirin best feat is destroying v3 susanoo raikage is more durable than that so he tanks.
Wrong KCM FRS = Kirin

No it was v4 nb4 V4 is automatically has yata mirror no Itachi choses when to use yata during his fight with Sasuke he was using yata mirror with his v3 susanoo as well if the Kabuto would have never happened we be left here thinking that so nope.

:lol Raikage would have killed Sasuke way before Kirin was prepared if he had any offensive power.

No he would not.

That's why I gave you the two things Sasuke could only do when Gai opens the 7th gate.
The gate opening is faster than Sasuke making v4. Fact.
And Gai doesn't need to get to point blank range for Hirudora. 10M would more than suffice.

The bold is definitely not a fact Susanoo activation has better feats as well stop with the nonsense when gai can activate gates against something as fast or faster than 1/1000 of a second while its already in travel from about 50m away then we can talk.

Using Hirudora from 10m away means it gets eat up by Amaterasu simple as that.

smh I gave you two scenarios. And No I haven't lost every single debate I've been in. But let's say I did. :lol you're about to catch this L from this guy.

Never caught a L in my life.

I think you got the Tre Mercer syndrome, by reading the manga left to right
Fact #1
Gai was fresh after using a Hirudora against Kisame. Only after he went back to normal he felt the gates' backlash
Fact #2
Gai was beat up when he used Hirudora against Madara.

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Bleeding is not beat up not when he already had taste of Kurama's chakra look at it this way gai body was just in pain and exhausted gai literally did not take a hit up until that point he had no problem fighting with the nunchucks against obito or when he punched gedo mazo if anything he was outa of chakra because the wood dragon was draining him. 7th gate or Hirudora uses no chakra simple as that.

Gai not feeling the backlash right after using Hirudora

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Being on his toe so much that he could feel a twitch in Kisame's finger

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I'm fully expecting the same tired ass, recycled arguments. Barking "hurr durr, Gai can't use two hirudoras consecutively, durr" without any legit proof.

Look how weak that Hirudora was though it did literally nothing to Kisame who was still able to move afterwards meaning he did not put anywhere near as much power in it as he could so your so called point is irrelevant as shit. Him punching kisame because he twitched his finger is just good observation he was looking dead at him so i don't know what you thought saying that would mean or prove.

Right back at cha him not feinting = Him doing another Hirudora the logic i see is ridiculous and funny at its finest.

It does. Your entire argument over Hirudora is Gai not being able to use 2, because "it's not shown", when the fact is a fresh Gai is more than capable of using two hirudoras consecutively, as he doesn't show any fatigue, until he returns himself back to normal.

Bold is funny him not passing out means he can use multiply Hirudora's what a joke. Add that i already shitted on him using 2 Hirudora's aswell. Kidgamer pretty much shitted on the rest of your dumbass argument on to evani.

1. He doesn't need to
2. If he ever does that would be in Gates
3. Gai can look up and still avoid eye contact like Ay managed to do...Even though we know he doesn't use Gai's style of fighting.

He will if he wants to survive long enough, Unless he's in 7th gate its pretty much useless. Yes because a ninja not being caught in sharingan genjutsu = them being able to avoid even though Ei look directly into Sasuke's eyes either that or Sasuke was not trying to catch him in a genjutsu im going to go with the 2nd one sir.

So? What is this supposed to show? The fact that the blood already started dripping to prove my point? The fact that this doesn't change the fact that it requires build up as seen with Obito when he was focusing Chakra to his left eye? Bottom left

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. Slow webs won't hype it being fast enough to counter AT. Especially against someone like Gai who can valve his sight with his speed. Then again

But the chakra build up in real time is nonexistence and is still to fast to counter without looking even A had to time a shunshin in v2 perfect to when the blood was falling and you expect me to believe gai is doing it with a down head please. Then you say that like gai is a sensor of any sorts foh.

I was using the webs to show how fast it can happen during the course of a battle no for it speed in countering the webs dumbass.

1. EMS Sasuke's feat 2. Edo Itachi's feat because we fully know MS Sasuke dropped V2 once he resorted to

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(Don't tell me about him being weak in before due to the Raikage fight because he got healed by Karan (Middle panel

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)....Every time we've seen the usual MS Sasuke use it there's a back lash...There are even times he closes his eyes. You must be an idiot to ask me the bold.

It being an EMS Sasuke feat is irrelevant and especially for the edo Itachi thing considering nothing changes from when the blood drips you act like being an edo slows how fast blood runs down someones cheek or having ems changes the speed smh! dumbass arguments, Desperate ass arguments,

Because Karin healing puts people at 100% Nope and does she even replenish chakra? i think not so once again your post = shit. No your a fool Sasuke knows his reserves better than anyone else and Naruto's character in general would not use a move they know cannot or will work again Kaguya is an example. Sasuke knowing someone has the speed to pressure a JJ could dodge amaterasu in they're sleep so why the hell would he use amaterasu to eat his chakra up the only time Hirudora meets amaterasu is when gai is trying to shoot Sasuke down when he's in the air.

1. He never uses it in Base because Gai is too fast for him. He gets blitz once he misses..That's if he gets the chance to do so when Gai can counter. Gai can enter the 7th instantly and counter act.

7th gate is nowhere near instant but the rest is irrelevant.

2. If he uses it in other forms asides V4, he gets obliterated since Gai would counter with AT.

Not when he's on his hawk simple as that once gai enters 7th gate if Sasuke is not in the air he throws V4 susanoo on and just wait him out simple as that.

Should I tell you forreal what completely destroys your argument? The fact that you just agreed that he doesn't use it in V4(I also proved that he dropped Susano'o in V2 let alone V4 while using Amaterasu). So now if Sasuke doesn't use it in V4 , how would he take Gai down who can easily dodge his other attacks in lower versions of Gates while this version is out and just outlast him? If Sasuke goes lower, he'll be destroyed by Hirudora. Plus I don't even see this guy using it in V3 if really he dropped it in V2 lol. Assuming he can(Even though Manga suggested otherwise), then Gai dodges it since he'll see V3 and activate the 7th.

Sasuke simple outlasts Gai 7th gate will drop before susanoo your argument is based on the premise that danzo fight Sasuke is = to a fully rested healed MS Sasuke after the fight which is definitely not true even after all the nonsense with danzo he managed to use v3 again then used susanoo arrow after that turned to v4 susanoo for a brief second and blindness was the rout cause of his susanoo dropping not chakra which played a role though but healthy ms Sasuke could execute that combination without susanoo dropping.

Lol I'm going to pretend like I didn't see you mention the Hawk(Poor Argument). Pure nonsense...He uses his Hawk which isn't faster than Gai can kick up or rather cover the distance. Which ever way.

But im not going to pretend you showed that once gai is in the air he's done Amaterasu fries his ass while he's coming up it would also counter Hirudora if he tries to use it while going up a 30% Kisame he was tooken by surprise still managed to catch even bit of gai coming right at him MS Sasuke has better speed and with MS definitely better reflexes add full knowledge gai takes an arrow to the skull.

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Plus he has to summon it? How would he get to the top so fast? What would Gai be doing this period? Smh weak argument.

Sasuke can also use a shunshin in the air followed by this summoning not to hard and gai looking down would have delayed reaction to it especially when he's thinking about how can he dodge amaterasu because that would definitely be on his mind more then a hawk summoning. NB4 the hawk is not fast a normal size hawk can reach 150m in that's the size of my arm a hawk that is well above the size of a human would be around a couple thousands meaning his hawk would atleast have speed on par with Deidara while in full dodge mode.

My post is nowhere near as dumb as you look, sound or type on the computer Lol.

So you just admitted your post was some type of dumb? smh dumb as phuck.

The fight states Gai starts in the 7th Gate. Though let's assume he doesn't...Gai can arguable enter the 7th Gate and act faster than Sauske can activate V4 in his MS state. Considering this feat he showed here

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Gai could open the gates fast enough and use hiruodora before Naruto was stabbed despite being restrained and Madara's sword was already in motion before Gai could open and use AT. Then again, Sasuke has to see Gai activate the 7th before he himself acts.

We have no clue when he went into gates as if it would matter anyways we've seen Madara activate a PS in a mere instant which could have easily intercept a slash as well my point remains and Why would Sasuke need to wait for gai and he definitely see's what's going on by looking at his body with sharingan so he does not have to wait for shit.

Lol the bold is jokes. Gai first of all battled this war going on and off the gates multiple times? This is crazy to be a joke

Gai also had multiply cloaks so your point? meaning he would feel the pain of gates but stamina was brought back up to par for him to keep fighting then add what was gai doing the whole time during the Kabuto fight or when all the bijuu went full bijuu? lets not talk about him being useless during the whole SA appearance arc. During Juubito's arc and Revived Madara he did not do as much as you think.

He was already weakened

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but came in the Gates to save Kakashi in the 5th or 6th...Then he opened the 7th and battled Madara while using AT. Then what makes this jokes is the fight that he used the 8th after all this, used multiple EE and then NM. 2 techniques way above Hirudora? Smh

Base gai was weak when he goes in gates those former limits gets shattered like glass this is clear as **** a healthy gai doing all that would not do it any better. Then you gone throw 8th gates gai feats into the mix slap yourself with a broomstick because you can be half dead in use the 8th gates because it literally drains you of everything you have left in the tank all your life energy that is a stamina feat at all

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meaning 8th gates runs on life and will alone basically as long as your alive you can fight while in that gated mode it has nothing to do with stamina shitty argument.

Itachi never ever held it as long as that. Itachi used that version for a chapter or less in his sick form, where did you get "chapters" from? Gai used this version for time. Plus speak to Sasuke who questioned how Itachi managed to pull this up

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Itachi used susanoo to pressure Sasuke after it already had been destroyed then he slayed Orochimaru which took a chapter while holding v4 susanoo Itachi had no problem maintaining it until his sickness kicked in then he was coughing up blood. A premature MS Sasuke who was unlocking his abilities as the fight progressed while also taking heavy damage once again none of that applies to a healthy Sasuke.

Weak ass post...That's EMS, a stronger form. We all know that removes the side effect as seen in the Manga..MS Sasuke showed much more blood so stop this point of yours. Besides, this doesn't mean Gai won't see the blood.

It removes strain no the speed or how much blood fall we even seen blood fall from Rinnegan Sasuke who eyes are tiers above EMS

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Basically the same amount of blood falling from Itachi who was using MS so your point is shit and even if so what stops Sasuke from whipping the blood away from his eye or catching it in his hand when it falls?

Once again, I'm going to ask you to read Draegod's post.

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. Read and understand...Plus Ay shouldn't be able to tolerate Pain like Gai based on what this guy has shown. Yet Ay was still intact and able to fight with his hands burned. Even Gai managed to fight with continuous burns on his hands while in the Gates

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. Obviously not as hot but still a good feat considering he was also taking Pain in the Gates and he has shown more than Ay in terms of tolerating Pain.

Sorry but you must be silly if you thought this post was something im mean really kid. Not bothering with dragod's post you either repost it or do not speak up about it. Difference between Gai and Ei is that Raikage has a bunch of lighting as a layer over his skin while amaterasu hits gai bare hand or body we've a bijuu scream bloody marry when being caught with amaterasu while he did not scream a bit when getting hit with a tbb. Gai gets his face or legs burnt up then lets add that Amaterasu can swallow the whole front of his body

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Gai is ****ed up here and please did you bring up those puny ass punch fire as heat the force and heat from them did not show to even burn the fodder skin and put like 1 whole in his jacket clearly not as hot as regular fire.

Are you serious? Susano'o is a manifestation of one's chakra? Madara was hyped to be born with the strongest chakra the Uchiha ever saw. Pretty sure he even had mixed Asura and Indra's chakra before his death

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so that possibly can be factored in when you consider the V3 Gai destroyed(Possibly a point). Overall he should be stronger than Sasuke who was shittin his pants was Tobirama let loose of his chakra which should be weaker than Madara's.

By your logic why does edo Madara not have his rikudou Chakra? he obtained it before his death right? shit logic son. Madara's ribcage was shown no better feats same with his other forms of susanoo until v4 susanoo+ and mostly everyone would clock their v3 same level your trying to change the status quo because it betters your arguments? then lets add the fact Edo Madara in not even on the same level as alive Madara chakra wise meaning the mix chakra only exist in his alive forms.

What was the tobirama shit for? that means nothing at all.

Tell that to Drae's post and what I dropped. Even though we know Nagato lasted for the whole ttime Itachi and Naruto where talking about Shisui's eyes. Even though we know Obito had clothes on and they weren't even burned from what I recall at least.

Amaterasu the size of normal flames yea but the size of the one he used on Kaguya would cause more damage faster then add the fact gai thinks he could dodge would delay his reaction to using the gates to blow it away he still takes some damage in his face and legs are the worst part that can be burnt. Obito had not a single scratch izanagi was clearly used.

Use your common sense lil kid...Gai is in constant pain means he'll be broken out. Why? because damage is constantly done to his body and it continues to crumble in the sense that more and more damage is done. This would obviously break him out of it with ease

If you really believe this please tell me how he outlast someone with all this so called pain going? phuck outa here. The pain would need to stronger than that to break MS genjutsu period Kid Sasuke needed to stab himself to get free Orochimaru's genjutsu which is weaker than 3 tomoe genjutsu which is weaker than ms genjutsu.

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His muscles even ripped despite him already being in the gate before then against Gaara. More and more pain is added and that breaks you out of it easily. Then you go ahead and show how stupid you are...Gai doesn't show signs of being hurt mean he wasn't hurt? Jesus how dumb this is. So Gai being able to maintain himself means the effect of the Gates won't take place? Makes 0 sense but of course coming from a stupid individual, one shouldn't be surprised. Not to mention Gai fought in the 8th with broken bones previously and never said until he was hurt? Gai stated he needs to get used to the Pain to prove he goes through this even though doesn't necessarily have to show it.

Did this fool really just post kid rock lee as an example?

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Im literally laughing Teen rock lee has used gates multiple times and not a single muscle was torn adult rock lee can even use it with less pain and you think Gai would even have real pain backlash and torn muscles from those gates? Child PLEASE! Look at it like a bench press when you lift a certain weight for the first time your shoulders and chest hurt but you do it for about 3 weeks the pain is less because your body has made that the norm.

Lol what a moron but then again, I have no time to waste like i just did. V4 gets outlasted in a bad case and Gai waits to a weaker level and just destroys it. Plus the fact that this is MS Sasuke and I have given more than enough reasons why exactly he won't be fighting with other massive techniques in this. Then again I can even argue Gai can use 3 AT's considering his War Arc feats which completely shits on the previous feats. More than 1 EE and NM which is far far stronger than AT and he used this in a more taxing Gate despite using Hirudora before.

Plus I dealt with this argument of the 3rd Gate..Don't repeat it with that bad response.

Since i debunked the 2 Hirudora's now gai can use 3 lawd these boys be making shit up as they go along the rest has already been shitted on i see he still using 8th gates gai for stamina feats and shit pathetic.

 

[shelke]

Tiny little pointless lines to determine size? Oh you mean interpreting the drawings as they're meant to be?
Aren't you the one quoted in saying you like trolling and passing it off as facts or something like that

Yeah, tiny little petty lines with no consideration for poor drawing perspectives and other formulaic considerations - but it is common with you lot. It's called common sense to imagine that Kishimoto doesn't keep measurements in his right pocket.

Try to be smart, because there is just so much room for improvement here.

 

[KidGamer65]

What I think is that it comes down to the size of Hirudora Gai uses against Sasuke. 2 would definitely kill Sasuke

Gai only has one size of Hirudora, and it's not enough to destroy V4. It caps at V3 thus he'd need 2 just to destroy V4 armor let alone the V3 under there.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Gai only has one size of Hirudora, and it's not enough to destroy V4. It caps at V3 thus he'd need 2 just to destroy V4 armor let alone the V3 under there.

Let me ask you again. You think a smaller Hirudora is stronger?

No he would not.

It would have been Goodnight for Sasuke here if Raikage had any offensive power

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The bold is definitely not a fact Susanoo activation has better feats as well stop with the nonsense when gai can activate gates against something as fast or faster than 1/1000 of a second while its already in travel from about 50m away then we can talk.

*Itachi's* feats
Sasuke's feats?
1. Not having a chance to pull up v2 against V2 raikage
2. Not being able to pull up v2 when raikage liger bombed him
Gai's activation of 7th gate? Gai pulling off Hirudora before Madara's already in motion susanoo sword could reach Naruto

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You can go a few pages back and see Gai not having any gates up.

I sure hope this is the last time you're going to delude yourself into thinking V4 activation is faster than Gai activating 7th gate and shunshining to Sasuke's location

Using Hirudora from 10m away means it gets eat up by Amaterasu simple as that.

From 10M Sasuke would have no time to close his eyes, concentrated chakra, and perform amaterasu. So, garbage point

Never caught a L in my life.

Let's see
_Beans was the most recent. You even D rode him in the same thread
_D riding KG ever since I started visiting VS, due to him beating you numerous times

Now you're holding this L from the guy that supposedly lost every debate he's been in.

Bleeding is not beat up not when he already had taste of Kurama's chakra look at it this way gai body was just in pain and exhausted gai literally did not take a hit up until that point he had no problem fighting with the nunchucks against obito or when he punched gedo mazo if anything he was outa of chakra because the wood dragon was draining him. 7th gate or Hirudora uses no chakra simple as that.

wtf?

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Just stop this desperate gasp for air. This is literally after Madara was fighting Bee and Gai. Both Bee and Gai took a beating, hence Gai's fucked up situation.
Fact: A Gai that could barely stand up pulled off a Susanoo busting Hirudora. No matter what you say, you can't disprove that simple fact.

Look how weak that Hirudora was though it did literally nothing to Kisame who was still able to move afterwards meaning he did not put anywhere near as much power in it as he could so your so called point is irrelevant as shit. Him punching kisame because he twitched his finger is just good observation he was looking dead at him so i don't know what you thought saying that would mean or prove.

When you're fresh, your sensory inputs are fresh as well. You are more aware. Let's say you go to the gym, and bust your ass off. When you come home you're less aware of your surroundings due being exhausted.
But as I said in my previous post. Tired ass recycled argument. Let me say it for you once again: A Gai that couldn't even stand up could perform a susanoo busting Hirudora. Replace a Gai in that state to a fresh Gai, and he'd pulling off 2 Hirudoras no problem. Heck maybe even more.

Right back at cha him not feinting = Him doing another Hirudora the logic i see is ridiculous and funny at its finest.


Bold is funny him not passing out means he can use multiply Hirudora's what a joke. Add that i already shitted on him using 2 Hirudora's aswell. Kidgamer pretty much shitted on the rest of your dumbass argument on to evani.

Addressed this shit multiple times.

 

[KidGamer65]

Let me ask you again. You think a smaller Hirudora is stronger?

Let me tell you again since the clear cut statement obviously flew right over your head.

Gai only has one Hirudora. There are no different sizes. The one used against Madara was compressed from the jump while the one against Kisame wasn't.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Let me tell you again since the clear cut statement obviously flew right over your head.

Gai only has one Hirudora. There are no different sizes. The one used against Madara was compressed from the jump while the one against Kisame wasn't.

Definition of COMPRESSED


1
: pressed together : reduced in size or volume (as by pressure)
2
: flattened as though subjected to compression:
a : flattened laterally <petioles compressed>
b : narrow from side to side and deep in a dorsoventral direction

If we're going by what you're saying, then the one Gai used on Kisame was stronger, since it was far smaller than the one he used on Madara.

 

[EZQ]

Once again, being faster then Gudo Dama does NOT mean he can REACT to Amaterasu. Gudo Dama TRAVELLED

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whereas Amaterasu appears instantly next to you and you basically have the shortest moment to actually dodge. So once again, please let me know what allows Gai to react to something that appears instantly at his location (he reacted to something which MOVES to its target, not even comparable to Amaterasu in the slightest), and please let me know of the feats which suggest he can get out of Sasuke's MS vision with pure speed (since Amaterasu follows the user's gaze).

Amaterasu spawns at a certain distance from the user, and from there, it travles.

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Why does Gai need to keep himself outside of Sasuke's LoS? Amaterasu's size is small before it hits something. After it hits it can spread, but not fast enough to catch Gai.

So Amaterasu also travels from point A to point B from a certain distance. It doesn't just appear on the opponents face.

 

[KidGamer65]

If we're going by what you're saying, then the one Gai used on Kisame was stronger, since it was far smaller than the one he used on Madara.

It wasn't. "Far" is an overstatement, and if it was larger then it'd be stronger. Not weaker.

 

[EZQ]

Yeah, that totally proved me wrong. Forget the actual feat against Intangibility.

You clearly used that as an excuse to validate your argument that Gai dodges Amaterasu ... because ... because interception. Funny, Madara launched rods at Enton Arrows which are proven to be only avoidable via S/T tech unless they aren't being strung (which would explain Danzo sprouting the tree). They landed into the arrows. So, that means those rods are as fast as Enton Arrows. Logic! If a man runs into a car going above 150 mph, he's running at the same speed. Logic. Not to mention Madara (or you) had no clue where Gai was, from where he started etc.

He isn't even a sensor. How is he dodging it, again? Wait, he looks down and fights and at 7 gates no less; a feat he has never shown. Sorry, don't see it. He gets hit with Amaterasu and burns to death within a second or two.

Lmao, the arrows example is as retard as it gets.

Your example is shit because they collided against eachother from a frontal attack from both. If i start running against a car and we hit eachother, does that mean i'm as fast as the car? No.
If my dog is about to be run over by a car, and i'm nowhere to be seen, and at last moment i cover a big enough area in a short ammount of time to save the dog, does that mean i'm as fast as the car? not necesarely. Does that mean i'm very fast?- Yes it does

 

[Lord Tywin]

It wasn't. "Far" is an overstatement, and if it was larger then it'd be stronger. Not weaker.

That's why I asked you about the size. Look at the size of VS Kisame. It was as big as Kisame's upper body

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Look at the one he used against Madara. It was bigger than V3 Susanoo

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Now look at the initial size of Hirudora in Vs Kisame, and compared it to the other two. Since we're saying the bigger it is, the stronger it is, the initial size of Hirudora against Kisame makes that Hirudora far greater than the other two. And I think the reason it got small vs Kisame was the water pressure. And clashing with the GSB

 

[KidGamer65]

That's why I asked you about the size. Look at the size of VS Kisame. It was as big as Kisame's upper body

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Look at the one he used against Madara. It was bigger than V3 Susanoo

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Now look at the initial size of Hirudora in Vs Kisame, and compared it to the other two. Since we're saying the bigger it is, the stronger it is, the initial size of Hirudora against Kisame makes that Hirudora far greater than the other two. And I think the reason it got small vs Kisame was the water pressure. And clashing with the GSB

Wrong way of thinking.

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Hirudora got smaller because the air pressure compresses itself and then explodes. I'm saying the one we saw against Madara had already been compressed. If it's strength increases with size, then that'd actually mean Madara Hirudora>Kisame Hirudora, but then again.......the explosion for the one against Kisame seems to be far larger than the explosion for the one used on Madara. So I'm probably wrong here anyway.

 

[Apêx1]

Wrong way of thinking.

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Hirudora got smaller because the air pressure compresses itself and then explodes. I'm saying the one we saw against Madara had already been compressed. If it's strength increases with size, then that'd actually mean Madara Hirudora>Kisame Hirudora, but then again.......the explosion for the one against Kisame seems to be far larger than the explosion for the one used on Madara. So I'm probably wrong here anyway.

That would actually explain why Kisame didn't die or get severely wounded from the attack. If he didn't maximally compress the attack then the explosion's energy per area would be much smaller then when the explosion was smaller but in turn had more energy per area. Just my take on it though.