Hijab

[CrimsonReaper]

yo i wanna ask what god do you believe in if you dont mind U_U

I'm agnostic. :sdo:

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

that's what retards say when they don't know how to reply. :lol

I would, but you had no legit rebuttal, so why should I waste my time educating your pea sized brain?

 

[Monxstaa]

I'm agnostic. :sdo:

haha okay :sdo2:

 

[CrimsonReaper]

I would, but you had no legit rebuttal, so why should I waste my time educating your pea sized brain?

you can't even provide sufficent information to support your point of view, is that what you do when you start losing an argument, i just debunked everything you just said, you ran out of points to fight back, that's all.

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

you can't even provide sufficent information to support your point of view, is that what you do when you start losing an argument, i just debunked everything you just said, you ran out of points to fight back, that's all.

You didn't debunk anything.
You didn't even refute my points.

But feel free to think whatever you want. If it helps you sleep at night.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

You didn't debunk anything.
You didn't even refute my points.

But feel free to think whatever you want. If it helps you sleep at night.

Then you're clearly visually impaired. :lol

 

[BLAZE]

Low brain cells?

Where's your degree? Oh wait, you don't have one.

"no that's your job"
I don't cry over what some irrelevant weaboo says.

Someone is rustled on an Internet Forum becoz he has nothing to backup the bull$#!t he spews and talks about seizing other People's freedom

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

Then you're clearly visually impaired. :lol

All you said was that those things are illegal.
Big whoop since that was not my point.

My point was that given freedom, people do the wrong thing because they're incapable of discerning what is good for them.

Also if we're "free" then explain why the extent of our speech is limited? People can't even present an opposing argument on the Holocaust without being jailed. That's not called freedom.

Humans can never be free. We are always subject to other people, that's life in society. If you live alone in an island you are free but limited, regardless.

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

Someone is rustled on an Internet Forum becoz he has nothing to backup the bull$#!t he spews and talks about seizing other People's freedom

Think that if you want to.

Tell me, how free are we really?
Oh wait, you can't answer that can you?

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Low brain cells?

Where's your degree? Oh wait, you don't have one.

"no that's your job"
I don't cry over what some irrelevant weaboo says.

dude just bugger off, you've proven that you're weak in arguments. leave.

Think that if you want to.

Tell me, how free are we really?
Oh wait, you can't answer that can you?

you're very free you're just not grateful enough.

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

dude just bugger off, you've proven that you're weak in arguments. leave.



you're very free you're just not grateful enough.

No, we're not free.

We're always subjected by someone else.
Freedom is the 2nd biggest lie after equality.

 

[paratise]

So much €Dgyness here.

OT: Never got the fuss about wearing hijab or not, i met devoted muslims who do not wear it, or people who wear it only for visual representation of their religion. Both are iight imo, it is their life afterall (asides from people who wear them to make themselves look like they are morally superior and appease to higher authorities).

 

[Babadook]

You are acting all deaf. You fail to produce a quote from me where I tried to dictate how a Muslim should dress yet you insisted I did. That's a false statement and you lied.

this was my exchange:

See You are bringing in totally irrelevant stuff and somehow think asking a completely pointless question would somehow do the trick.

You edited that post at 3:27 my time.

I did reply at 3:26.

I never saw that second part. I only saw you telling me not to reply.

So I guess this was all a misunderstanding. Accusing me of lying is a bit too much.

Yay you learned the name of a fallacy!! You are so smart. I always have to recheck the stupid Latin terms in wiki to make sure even though I have read it so many times. You are not making any real argument to reply.

I know several fallacies in latin. I'm studying law, remember?

I'm not making any arguments? Lol.

I care to post my opinion on how I see it and I gave my reasoning already. You are being an apologist and pointlessly so because your argument that men too are getting oppressed does not really negate that some people see it as a tool for oppression.

Sigh...I never denied that some people may use it for oppression. But you sounded to generalize here:

"But aren't you setting up yourself as an object that needs to be hidden that badly and suggesting anything less is immodest and asking for trouble?"

That's what I tried to address. It's not any more of an objectification than men's dress code.

In theory.

Of course practices may differ. Sadly.

In the meanwhile you are trying to draw the attention away from my first reply to you since you cannot deny the factual statement in there.

Which first reply? Your first reply that I answered, is up there. After that, again, I didn't see your editing your post. Don't expect me to always re-read your earlier posts...This is the reason why I only quoted that part. I simply didn't see your later edition. But even that doesn't excuse your outburst against me, that I shouldn't reply.

Obviously civilizations are much wider and varied than your knowledge. There are nudist beaches. There are nudist religions. And there are groups and individuals who have different concept of what nakedness is and take vows to remain so. Your opinion regarding it doesn't matter for they are not depending on your certificate of civilization.

That first sentence actually goes for you. Civilization is not a term to be reduced to a beach or a religion. By your logic, I was wrong because people are naked at home, when taking shower or when having ***...etc. You think I don't know about that? Really, you're making up stupid assumptions. Despite I asked you to stop doing it. Why can't we ever have a discussion without you making claims about my reading comprehension, my knowledge, my whatever?

For you civilization may mean covering oneself from head to toe for another being civilized mean respecting others choice to not agree and see it as a freedom from worldly bounds and not trying to force their beliefs on anyone else not think less of them for their different opinion.

Only muslim women shall wear the hijab. I never said it's to be forced on non muslims. Actually, islam doesn't say that either.

'There is no compulsion in religion'- Quran 2:256

I wasn't arguing against anything but your pointless replies. You are making a false statement again- I didn't tell you to shut up. I told you to not reply to me since you do not like my replies and get your panties in a bunch. and that's exactly what happened here again.

I said 'shut up, basically'. The word 'basically' was intended to serve as an indicator of some kind of a metaphor being used here. I never said you told me to shut up. But you told me not to reply- it's trying to shutme up, in essence, at least partially.

It's you who didn't like my reply. You didn't like the part about that muslims should dress differently. Anyway, it's quite hypocritical that you expect me not to reply- but you keep replying and making insults. It seems to me you still can't get over the past. See, you always get sensitive over this 'muslims do this and that bad ' thing. You only focus on some muslims using the hijab as a form of oppression, which I never denied anyway. But don't generalize.

all I see is an emotionally enraged post but nothing real to respond to objectively - for all you are doing is running on emotions.

I think you're trying to project your perception on me. It's not like you're gonna deceive anyone by semantics.

I posted an article, using quotes from teh Quran, the Sunnah, and scholars. You told me not to reply because I wouldn't like your response. You also told me not to link you sites for more info- which is ignoarance at best. You admit you don't care about more info...that is, you don't care for arguments. So, you're running on emotions, as earlier.

And that's all what I said.- And how people abuse it- by using religion as a tool.

You said this as well:

"But aren't you setting up yourself as an object that needs to be hidden that badly and suggesting anything less is immodest and asking for trouble?"

Yeah but you portest when I say the same. Who the hell is even talking about males here?

Now it's you who doesn't read my posts properly. In my very first response to you, after quoteing that site, I added that whether males respect females or not, is not necessarily a question of women wearign the hijab or not. A gilr in hijab can be raped just as well a girl who doesn't wear it. That's all.

You wouldn't. Don't bother.

Eh? That post of mine to which you made this reply, was not even addressed to you but Kratos...I even quoted him.

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And seriously, let's clear this up. I have no intentions of goign through the same thing as last time.

So let's sum it up.

I answerd to your question:

"But aren't you setting up yourself as an object that needs to be hidden that badly and suggesting anything less is immodest and asking for trouble?"

That's all. To this, you made a reply telling me that I shouldn't talk to you. You could have just ignored my post, but no, you had to tell me that. It's not like you disagreed with anything I said, you just didn't like one ruling from that article.

AFTER my reply, you edited yours...which I didn't see, until now as you've called my attention so 'kindly' that even a 5 yrs old would be proud to have such a refined vocabulary of selected insults.

But alright. No problem.

Let's say there was a misunderstanding.

In the end, do we differ on anything?

You say some people use it as a form of oppression. Sure, I never denied it. Just don't generalize. You didn't? Fine, then maybe there is really smtg wrong with my eyesight.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

All you said was that those things are illegal.
Big whoop since that was not my point.

My point was that given freedom, people do the wrong thing because they're incapable of discerning what is good for them.

Also if we're "free" then explain why the extent of our speech is limited? People can't even present an opposing argument on the Holocaust without being jailed. That's not called freedom.

Humans can never be free. We are always subject to other people, that's life in society. If you live alone in an island you are free but limited, regardless.

Which is why we need to work harder towards more freedom, you said earlier that people shouldn't be free lol now you're saying we should be free??

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[SasukeTheEmo]

Which is why we need to work harder towards more freedom, you said earlier that people shouldn't be free lol now you're saying we should be free??

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Except no one is truly free.

 

[BLAZE]

Think that if you want to.

Tell me, how free are we really?
Oh wait, you can't answer that can you?

you are free enough to spew bull$#!t in this thread :lol
This guy will give others Order

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

you are free enough to spew bull$#!t in this thread :lol
This guy will give others Order

You don't get it do you?

Look how everyone is divided. If we're all guided by the same cause we won't face many problems on the way.
That's why people need to be told what to do.

It's called the Greater Good.

 

[BLAZE]

You don't get it do you?

I get it we have another Kim Jong-un in making :lol

Look how everyone is divided. If we're all guided by the same cause we won't face many problems on the way.
That's why people need to be told what to do.

Thats the reason Goverment exists,Law and Order in Society are implemented genius

 

[Ririchiyo Sama]

We Muslim women are diamond only some 'important people' are allowed to see us and our beauty not just everyone.

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

I get it we have another Kim Jong-un in making :lol


Thats the reason Goverment exists,Law and Order in Society are implemented genius

The government exists to line its pockets.
No thanks.