MS Sasuke vs Bee

[Unorthodox]

Man what does that change? Danzo had time to use Mokuton. He also got owned by shurikens. Bee in v1 or 2 dodges that shit no problem.

After being killed twice Sasuke also witheld the arrow due to pain issues the first 2 arrows were good. Kakashi could not move an inch Bee is not dodging simple as that and with its linear ass fighting style he's not putting in any work either. fight goes like this

Bee's not going into gyuki mode unless he wants to die amaterasu forces him to throw his cloak away then susanoo arrow one shots.

Bee wins, speed blitz, Sasuke couldn't even track his normal movements with MS.

dumbest shit i ever read.

 

[Lytes]

After being killed twice Sasuke also witheld the arrow due to pain issues the first 2 arrows were good. Kakashi could not move an inch Bee is not dodging simple as that and with its linear ass fighting style he's not putting in any work either. fight goes like this

Bee's not going into gyuki mode unless he wants to die amaterasu forces him to throw his cloak away then susanoo arrow one shots.


dumbest shit i ever read.

That's because you haven't read anything you've typed ever.

 

[Apêx1]

Doesn't work like that. Hachibi isn't sensing bee surroundings. He's has direct contact with bees chakra. Meaning once it's disturbed( regardless of how weak/strong genjutsu is) hachibi will attempt to break it.

Uh no, he sees what Bee sees. He's only broken Bee out of Genjutsu once he's found out it was Genjutsu. Any claims of him being able to see any disturbance in Bee's chakra are completely unsubstantiated.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Is that why Hachibi had no idea Bee was under genjutsu until Itachi told him?

Uh no, he sees what Bee sees. He's only broken Bee out of Genjutsu once he's found out it was Genjutsu. Any claims of him being able to see any disturbance in Bee's chakra are completely unsubstantiated.

Uhh no. As a perfect jin he's constantly sucking bee's chakra in order for Bee to get his. That's how the relationship works as both stated. If the chakra of the one he's sucking is disturbed he'll know and attempt to break. Now prove your bs.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Uhh no. As a perfect jin he's constantly sucking bee's chakra in order for Bee to get his. That's how the relationship works as both stated. If the chakra of the one he's sucking is disturbed he'll know and attempt to break. Now prove your bs.

why do you assume that hachibi would feel that bee chakra is disturbed when danzu didnt feel that his own chakra was disturbed !!?

 

[Lord Tywin]

Uhh no. As a perfect jin he's constantly sucking bee's chakra in order for Bee to get his. That's how the relationship works as both stated. If the chakra of the one he's sucking is disturbed he'll know and attempt to break. Now prove your bs.

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[BenjerminGaye]

why do you assume that hachibi would feel that bee chakra is disturbed when danzu didnt feel that his own chakra was disturbed !!?

Because its not his chakra. Danzo's senses got manipulated therefore danzo wouldn't know.

Prove that when bee's chakra gets manipulated gyuuki wouldn't know.

@Savage. I never said it was instant, so punp your brakes, but his means of noticing and breaking has nothing to do with bee's senses.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Because its not his chakra. Danzo's senses got manipulated therefore danzo wouldn't know.

Prove that when bee's chakra gets manipulated gyuuki wouldn't know.

@Savage. I never said it was instant, so punp your brakes, but his means of noticing and breaking has nothing to do with bee's senses.

okey ,I recall that karin checked if sasuke was in genjutsu by sensing if his chakra was disturbed so i guess you are right ,if hachibi can feel Bee chakra like karin ,he should be able to know when he gets caught in genjutsu .

 

[Curse Mark]

Because its not his chakra. Danzo's senses got manipulated therefore danzo wouldn't know.

Prove that when bee's chakra gets manipulated gyuuki wouldn't know.

@Savage. I never said it was instant, so punp your brakes, but his means of noticing and breaking has nothing to do with bee's senses.

The burden of proof is on you to prove your claim that hachibi could feel it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The burden of proof is on you to prove your claim that hachibi could feel it.

FeEl what?

 

[Lord Tywin]

Because its not his chakra. Danzo's senses got manipulated therefore danzo wouldn't know.

Prove that when bee's chakra gets manipulated gyuuki wouldn't know.

@Savage. I never said it was instant, so punp your brakes, but his means of noticing and breaking has nothing to do with bee's senses.

Ok, but Hachibi has to be notified first. Those scans literally prove your point wrong about Hachibi sensing a disturbed chakra

 

[Curse Mark]

FeEl what?

What is FeEl?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What is FeEl?

Feel?

@savage. says who?

 

[Apêx1]

Uhh no. As a perfect jin he's constantly sucking bee's chakra in order for Bee to get his. That's how the relationship works as both stated. If the chakra of the one he's sucking is disturbed he'll know and attempt to break. Now prove your bs.

Uh what? How does he know it's disturbed, that's like saying clones know when the originals chakra is disturbed smh. Scans? It took Hachibi an actual reason to believe it was Genjutsu before he broke Bee out, this shits all over your argument.

 

[Curse Mark]

Feel?

@savage. says who?

Prove that Hachibi could feel bee's chakra being manipulated. All the times he broke him out either itachi mentioned not to look at his eyes because genjutsu and sasuke's completely changed his surroundings.

 

[Beans2]

Oh wait, this is V2 Bee? Sasuke wins.

 

[Haizaki]

"Illusions won't work on a host who can control their tailed beast"

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. Manga states it all...Never mentions any scenario or whatsoever that's a condition. No argument here literally.

When B is given Hachibi's chakra like normal, there's no way Hachibi won't know when his own(Hachibi) chakra is being manipulated by Sasuke. Same way B would know Sasuke is manipulating Hachibi's chakra when he tries to make use of it himself. When have we ever seen B telling Hachibi to knock him out? Never from what I recall.

B was in a Genjutsu but he was set free. B's in the Genjutsu not Hachibi and Hachibi can interfere through constant manipulation of B's chakra or B himself can break out through constant manipulation of Hachibi's chakra.

Besides, there's Samehada...Common sense should be applied considering upon Naruto becoming a Perfect Jin, he was never hit with a Genjutsu from there on which says a lot about this case despite him being hit several times before.

 

[Varrah]

"Illusions won't work on a host who can control their tailed beast"

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. Manga states it all...Never mentions any scenario or whatsoever that's a condition. No argument here literally.

Elaborate on the condition: I assume this leaves out both versions of Tsukuyomi and Obito's Genjutsu of Yagura, for it if it doesn't, then the claim "Illusions won't work on a host who can control their tailed beast" is incorrect. ​

When B is given Hachibi's chakra like normal, there's no way Hachibi won't know when his own(Hachibi) chakra is being manipulated by Sasuke. Same way B would know Sasuke is manipulating Hachibi's chakra when he tries to make use of it himself. When have we ever seen B telling Hachibi to knock him out? Never from what I recall.

B was in a Genjutsu but he was set free. B's in the Genjutsu not Hachibi and Hachibi can interfere through constant manipulation of B's chakra or B himself can break out through constant manipulation of Hachibi's chakra.

Could it not be argued that during the situation of the Gyūki breaking Killer B free from Sasuke's Genjutsu, that Sasuke could layer another Genjutsu onto the Genjutsu the Gyūki is attempting to break B free of to increase the time the Gyūki has to take to free B? Moreover, what is the probability, if any, of Sasuke Genjutsu'ing the Gyūki itself during the situation of the Gyūki of breaking Killer B free from Genjutsu? ​

Besides, there's Samehada...Common sense should be applied considering upon Naruto becoming a Perfect Jin, he was never hit with a Genjutsu from there on which says a lot about this case despite him being hit several times before.

Naruto becoming a perfect jinchūriki and never being hit with a Genjutsu is a completely different matter entirely and using it for a premise or additional claim to support the conclusion that the Gyūki interference with Genjutsu to free Killer B from Genjutsu is a flawed analogical argument in which a person focuses more on the similarities of a thing or things than the dissimilarities, ad thus, not accurately defining the matter.​

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Prove that Hachibi could feel bee's chakra being manipulated. All the times he broke him out either itachi mentioned not to look at his eyes because genjutsu and sasuke's completely changed his surroundings.

I give you the scans when I get home

 

[Ambivalence]

Too close to call, honestly. It's a high diff either way.

This would be easier to judge if any Biju but Kurama could do TBB without having to enter BM.

Bee wins, speed blitz, Sasuke couldn't even track his normal movements with MS.

Yeah, go ahead and give me the scan where Sasuke ever used MS precog against Bee. I'll wait.