Doctor what you goofed on is that his hiding like a mole should be silent.
Also you could have brought up that he stopped Kiba's tunneling fang or whatever its called.
He should be able to absorb chakra through contact as well.
His simple earth wall was strong enough to stop choji's spiky ball. He could totally make a box out of earth strong enough to stop zabuza's attacks, and from there use hiding like a mole to get underground.
I didn't goof on that. Hiding like a mole is silent while traveling, I just didn't provide scans lol.
And yeah Jirobo can absorb chakra on contact, but that would have been a null addition with my tactics, same for him stopping Kiba's fang over fang, and Choji. If the opponent was someone like Sakura/Tsunade or just a CQC fighter, that wasn't Zabuza (hiding like a mist is terrible for CQC on its victims), then yeah those would have been A1 feats to touch up on.
Because of that, I'm gonna have to give it to the Doctor. I think Zabuza has the chance to win this high diff, it just wasnt debated as well as it could have been.
I didn't goof on that. Hiding like a mole is silent while traveling, I just didn't provide scans lol.
And yeah Jirobo can absorb chakra on contact, but that would have been a null addition with my tactics, same for him stopping Kiba's fang over fang, and Choji. If the opponent was someone like Sakura/Tsunade or just a CQC fighter, that wasn't Zabuza (hiding like a mist is terrible for CQC on its victims), then yeah those would have been A1 feats to touch up on.
You know you're on the retarded debaters list right? Lmao.
They are not active. I doubt they'll make their veredict. And i truly believe no one's gonna vote for me because my posts really suck. As you already said, i misunderstood almost everything. It's not worth judging again IMO
They are not active. I doubt they'll make their veredict. And i truly believe no one's gonna vote for me because my posts really suck. As you already said, i misunderstood almost everything. It's not worth judging again IMO
Nah bruh it aint that deep. Your posts were on point you just misunderstood a few crucial points and therefore didnt counter em. If you didnt misunderstand you could have still countered.
Nah bruh it aint that deep. Your posts were on point you just misunderstood a few crucial points and therefore didnt counter em. If you didnt misunderstand you could have still countered.
all right bruh, dont know if you cant read or what but its literally the quote i was replying to. doc quoted me at the top of the page and mentioned tsunade/sakura by name. this shouldnt be that difficult.
all right bruh, dont know if you cant read or what but its literally the quote i was replying to. doc quoted me at the top of the page and mentioned tsunade/sakura by name. this shouldnt be that difficult.
This will be my verdict on EZQ's and Dr Proof's debate.
Mist:
Dr Proof:
Proof gives two counters to Zabuza's mist. In the first one Jirobo goes underground to hide. Proof further explains, that Jirobo can use jutsu from underground, just like Tobi. A decent strategy.
In the second strategy Jirobo lifts a massive rock to conceal the river and disperse the mist. However, his strength analysis of Jirobo is flawed, since Choji being mountain sized in no way means, that he is anywhere as nearly as heavy as a mountain. Going into V2 also fastly eats up chakra, meaning, that Jirobo would likely exhaust himself after lifting and throwing the rock. Failed strategy.
EZQ:
EZQ suggests, that Zabuza will make clones to confuse Jirobo, but Proof shows that Jirobo will notice how more chakras have appeared, so if he sensed the original chakra source, he should be able to track the real Zabuza. EZQ also explains that Zabuza will hear Jirobo going underground, which i agree with. Overall a so - so strategy. Might work, but its hihgly doubtful.
The second counter is for Zabuza to go above water, but Proof shows, that Hiding like a Mole helps one track movement even in the air. Plausible argument, but still nothing concrete.
EZQ also states, that Zabuza can hear Jirobo underground, but the doctor prooves this invalid, since Zabuza couldn't hear the dogs traveling underground. However, he does proove, that Zabuza can see in the mist. (Which Proof didn't get a chance to counter)
EZQ agrees with Jirobo's strength. Huge mistake. EZQ states that it will take a lot of time for Jirobo to lift the rock, when he did that instantly before, and Zabuza trying to blitz Jirobo will only make him more vulnerable. Instead you should have tried to prove, that Zabuza can dodge the rock, or push it with Suiton.
Tactic 2:
Dr Proof:
In this tactic Jirobo uses doton to attack Zabuza from underground. Since Zabuza can't hear attack from underground, he will be caught off guard. Great tactic.
EZQ:
EZQ's counter is that Jirobo's control over the earth is limited, though i don't see how this matters, when Jirobo wouldn't need massive Doton, if his attacks would catch Zabuza off guard anyways. The clone strategy could work, but Zabuza will still not find Jirobo, and this is all assuming that Jirobo looses track of the real Zabuza.
Tactic 3:
Dr Proof:
A similar tactic to the second one, but this time Jirobo uses earth prison. Since the jutsu is used from underground, Zabuza won't be able to anticipate it, and get caught. Another great tactic.
EZQ:
EZQ agrees, that Zabuza can't escape the prison, and uses clones as a counter again. I agree, that clone feints can work, but this is only assuming, that Jirobo catches a clone.
Style:
Proof seperated his post into different parts, even in his counter. He also always had a recap at the end, to make things easier to understand, and always kept his posts short. His scan links directed me to the site allowing me to look at the previous and next scans, so that i can understand his point better. A single scan doesn't always explain everything. EZQ had points, that were not really needed. For example, Sound Four having difficulties with two jounin holds no weight in this battle.
However, the arguments are the most important in a debate and...
Dr Proof still won.
EZQ oftenly misunderstanded Proof's points, and most of his points were doubtful. Dr Proof also had some bad/flawed arguments, but he also had many solid arguments, which weren't as nearly as questionable. Honestly i now think, that EZQ was at a disatvantage with Zabuza. I have completely forgotten, about Sound Four's strength.
Thanks for the judgement. The doctor stomped me bad.
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edit: I know i misunderstood almost everything he said. I dind't debate well.
Honestly, in the Jirobo lifting a rock part, i didn't care to counter it since as i already showed in the first scans i provided, the difference in speed between them is abismal, so i tought that proof using that tactic was even better for zabuza (despite of it's logic not being legit).
It seems i was wrong. I'll debate proof again and will counter his points well. This debate was really shitty of my part.
Thanks for the judgement. The doctor stomped me bad.
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edit: I know i misunderstood almost everything he said. I dind't debate well.
Honestly, in the Jirobo lifting a rock part, i didn't care to counter it since as i already showed in the first scans i provided, the difference in speed between them is abismal, so i tought that proof using that tactic was even better for zabuza (despite of it's logic not being legit).
It seems i was wrong. I'll debate proof again and will counter his points well. This debate was really shitty of my part.
