[VS] Zoro vs Doflamingo
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Well I don't think that connection is always needed, when it comes to doffy it could be that his mastery over haki allowed him to do so. Also wasn't his clone able to use haki?
But yeah you're right. Haki normally needs physical connection between the item and the user in order to be imbedded into it. I still think it's haki though.
Really tough strings that even zoro and fujitoura and everyone's haki together couldn't cut? :lol now those are some real mutha****ing strings right there.
The birdcage was made from the same strings of his clones
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So you think Doflamingo's Haki is better than the haki of Fujitora, Zoro, and all other COA users pushing back birdcage combined?
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there's no such a thing as "combining haki" when each one of them was pushing it from a different spot on his own, plus combining haki means adding your haki to another person's in order to achieve a stronger version, none of them however did that. They simply used haki individually to push it from each spot.
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your devil fruit attack doesn't have to be embodied by Haki for you not to be affected too much by your opponents haki if your haki is stronger.....like when Vista and Marco cut Akainu from behind with haki and it did minimal damage to him because Akainu had stronger haki.....
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They attacked Akainu's body.....birdcage isn't apart of Doffy's body nor is it touching him.....
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Some of these fanboys actually thinks zoro has a chance :| :| :| I can't deal with life right now ....
Scenario 2 I agree with the guy who pointed out that doffy still is strong to block gear 2 3 attacks etc and faster has more durability and stamina then zoro
That one goes still mid to semi high diff
The first one he gets the Sanji treatment if not worse ... Zoro is literally a sitting duck he couldn't even out speed pica like come on ...
Scenario 2 I agree with the guy who pointed out that doffy still is strong to block gear 2 3 attacks etc and faster has more durability and stamina then zoro
That one goes still mid to semi high diff
The first one he gets the Sanji treatment if not worse ... Zoro is literally a sitting duck he couldn't even out speed pica like come on ...
S1: No one in his right mind thinks that Zoro can be a match to Doffy with his current feats.
S2: I can see Zoro winning this extreme dif.
Two things I wanted to point out are that Doffy's haki isn't superior to Zoro's and his speed as well as reflexes heavily relies on his fruit. A level of haki that'd get cut just by holing Law's sword ain't going to block Zoro's attacks.
Another things people needs to realize is the fact that Pica's speed inside rocks is near instant so people may stop acting as if Zoro failed to hit Pica when he's outside the rocks.
Apparently none of the people who said that Zoro'd lose S2 managed to name an attack from Doffy that can put down Zoro.
S2: I can see Zoro winning this extreme dif.
Two things I wanted to point out are that Doffy's haki isn't superior to Zoro's and his speed as well as reflexes heavily relies on his fruit. A level of haki that'd get cut just by holing Law's sword ain't going to block Zoro's attacks.
Another things people needs to realize is the fact that Pica's speed inside rocks is near instant so people may stop acting as if Zoro failed to hit Pica when he's outside the rocks.
Apparently none of the people who said that Zoro'd lose S2 managed to name an attack from Doffy that can put down Zoro.
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may be because there isnt one
DD losses most of his arsenal in addition to range advantage ( with out his df he need to get close to somone who has the range power and attack speed to slice a mountain to small pieces in a matter of seconds )
he also loses the almighty parasite and his ability to recover from damage
his durabilty stays the same but if a red hawk could make him spit blood DS would do far worse and considering he loses his airial maneuverability to dodge and that he needs to get closer because he has no range means zoro has a high chance of landing attacks on him
they can spout the nonsense about dofla beating zoro with out his DF as they wont but that simply wont make it true
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It's a mid diff. battle...
In S1:
Doflamingo
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Zoro, BTW what Doffy can offer without his DF...? Good speed, reaction time and durability...?? Zoro can probably low diff. him...
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S2:
Zoro, BTW what Doffy can offer without his DF...? Good speed, reaction time and durability...?? Zoro can probably low diff. him...
Though he'd lose most of his arsenal due to lack of DF, his raw skills along with physical traits are still in good shape so he can probably push Zoro(with current feats) to high dif or even more.
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Doflamingo would win both scenario's in my opinion.
Even without his devil fruit Doflamingo has impressive speed, durability and haki feats. Of course Scenario 2 would be a lot more difficult for Doflamingo to win.
Scenario 1 however would be a similar beat down Sanji got.
Even without his devil fruit Doflamingo has impressive speed, durability and haki feats. Of course Scenario 2 would be a lot more difficult for Doflamingo to win.
Scenario 1 however would be a similar beat down Sanji got.
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Scenario 1: Zoro can not beat Doffy yet, but he ain't getting the Sanji treatment. A fight between Zoro and Doffy would be high diff. Luffy vs Doffy is a extreme diff, but I don't think people will say Luffy low diffs Zoro so Idunno how people are saying Zoro gets low diffed.
Scenario 2: Zoro takes this high diff. Doffy isn't that good with physical attacks, he punched Luffy in his face with armament hardening and it barely did anything to him. He tried stomping Law but was easily stopped by Luffy. What Doffy is thou is a fcking tank, but I don't see how he tanks Zoro's swords especially when he's using armament hardening. Yes he's tanking g2 attacks but it's harder to tank slashing and piercing attacks(e.g Law cutting Vergo Full body haki). We haven't even seen Zoro go all out yet and Doffy is too handicapped without his df.
Scenario 2: Zoro takes this high diff. Doffy isn't that good with physical attacks, he punched Luffy in his face with armament hardening and it barely did anything to him. He tried stomping Law but was easily stopped by Luffy. What Doffy is thou is a fcking tank, but I don't see how he tanks Zoro's swords especially when he's using armament hardening. Yes he's tanking g2 attacks but it's harder to tank slashing and piercing attacks(e.g Law cutting Vergo Full body haki). We haven't even seen Zoro go all out yet and Doffy is too handicapped without his df.
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I mean, Zoro has been fighting toddlers. Of course he's gonna look superior when Sanji has been fighting grown ups.
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I knew you'd bring up Fujitora. What did Zoro do against Fuji? His strike was blocked and one attack from Fuji reduced Zoro to panting on his knees. And before you try to bring up the flying slash, Doffy's kick didn't move Fuji from his spot. Don't tell me you think a flying slash from a restrained Zoro trapped in a hole is stronger than a kick from an unrestrained,, healthy posses off Doflamingo. It shows Fuji was barely trying against Zoro. When Sanji went against grown men, he was squashed, and when Zoro went against Fuji, the same happened.
Nope, Pica's statue and maneuvering makes him difficult to defeat. Whether it be Vergo, Sanji, Zoro or even Luffy. Pica isn't a powerful fighter, he's a tricky one. Zoro's strength didn't mean much whenever Pica avoided it. Take away the statue, and Pica would get stomped by Zoro, Sanji or Luffy.
Far stronger? Please, all of Fishman Island was a joke. None of their opponents were serious threats aside from Hody.
Doflamingo's awakened strings were obviously embedded with Armament at the edges, but weren't in contact with his body
Anyone would get trashed when you're against someone far stronger than yourself. So your wroth will be decided based on how well you held your ground against the said opponent. Zoro's performance against Fujitora was much better than anything Sanji accomplished against Doffy. He clearly tried more against Zoro than he did against Joker.
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Fujitora's stance in those pics makes it clear as day. It is not like Joker was trying with all his might to attack Fujitora to think that Zoro's attack can't be as strong or stronger that that. And since when does Doffy's attacks outside his fruit are so great that his attacks can't be weaker than that of Zoro? Sure he has decent physical strength feats but they're definitely not at a level where Zoro can't have stronger moves than him.
Pica is a DF user and almost any fruit user gets trashed by a decent fighter if you restrict his fruit. Even Luffy isn't an exception here. So it doesn't matter if Pica is weak without his rocks as the fact that his rocks are a part of his power remains intact. Sanji didn't display any feats that can get past Pica's statue to defeat him let along overwhelming him like Zoro did. Same goes for Vergo, I don't care how much of a fighter he is compared to base Pica. He needs to get past Pica's defense to force him out to and defeat him. Once again Vergo lacks destructive feats on that level to be able to pull such a feat. Pica and Vergo are on the same level when you look at their overall capabilities. Beside how can you be so sure about Sanji getting past Pica's FBH?
It doesn't matter if they're all joke. They still holds levels among them and Sanji definitely didn't fought a grown up. So where does this whole Sanji fought grown ups argument came from when it is actually Zoro that fought stronger opponents in reality?
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