[VS] Zoro vs Doflamingo

[Punk Hazard]

Anyone would get trashed when you're against someone far stronger than yourself. So your wroth will be decided based on how well you held your ground against the said opponent. Zoro's performance against Fujitora was much better than anything Sanji accomplished against Doffy. He clearly tried more against Zoro than he did against Joker.

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Fujitora's stance in those pics makes it clear as day. It is not like Joker was trying with all his might to attack Fujitora to think that Zoro's attack can't be as strong or stronger that that. And since when does Doffy's attacks outside his fruit are so great that his attacks can't be weaker than that of Zoro? Sure he has decent physical strength feats but they're definitely not at a level where Zoro can't have stronger moves than him.

Zoro did get trashed by Fujitora. No, he didn't do much better. Sanji attacked Doffy, it did nothing, and Doffy's retaliation left Sanji winded, which the latter was able to recover from and keep going. The exact same thing happened to Zoro; the only difference is that after the attack winded Zoro, Fujitora left, whereas Sanji and Doffy continued to fight. If Zoro and Fujitora had continued, Zoro would have continued getting his ass handed to him. A passive gravity wave left him needing to catch his breath. If Fujitora had went with Ferocious Tiger instead or an attack of similar strength, Zoro would have been done.

Pica is a DF user and almost any fruit user gets trashed by a decent fighter if you restrict his fruit. Even Luffy isn't an exception here. So it doesn't matter if Pica is weak without his rocks as the fact that his rocks are a part of his power remains intact. Sanji didn't display any feats that can get past Pica's statue to defeat him let along overwhelming him like Zoro did. Same goes for Vergo, I don't care how much of a fighter he is compared to base Pica. He needs to get past Pica's defense to force him out to and defeat him. Once again Vergo lacks destructive feats on that level to be able to pull such a feat. Pica and Vergo are on the same level when you look at their overall capabilities. Beside how can you be so sure about Sanji getting past Pica's FBH?

Not necessarily. Pica and Luffy use their DF in two different ways. Whereas Luffy's DF enhances his stats, Pica's don't. Pica is the same level of power with or without hid fruit, his fruit is tactical for the most part, not an enhancer, because his combat prowess is pretty mediocre, seeing as in actual moments of combat, Zoro was cakewalking. That's the point I'm trying to make. Pica was pretty much a toddler as well. You also talk like Zoro was able to get past Pica's defense no problem. It took a long time and a lot of effort.

It doesn't matter if they're all joke. They still holds levels among them and Sanji definitely didn't fought a grown up. So where does this whole Sanji fought grown ups argument came from when it is actually Zoro that fought stronger opponents in reality?

What levels? Where were they ranked against each other? You're merely assuming Zoro's opponent was stronger than Sanji's, something that hasn't happened since before Thriller Bark. You're also assuming I'm talking about Fishman Island. I wasn't including FI since they were all jokes that were all easily defeated by both Zoro and Sanji. In Punk Hazard, Sanji had an actual threat in the form of Vergo while Zoro fought Monet, someone relatively weak. Then, he had the mediocre Pica, while Sanji had the powerhouse Doflamingo. Then when Zoro went against someone actually worth their salt, he was creamed, just like Sanji was.

LOOL, Vergo weaker than Monet? Pica stronger than Doffy? Okai

Anyways, I don't know why this is spilling into a **** measuring contest between Zoro and Sanji when the thread is about Zoro and Doffy. By feats, Zoro would get creamed just like Sanji, Law and pre-G4 Luffy did.

 

[Bogard]

Doffy mid diff s1
Zoro high diff s2

Doffy has base Luffy physical strength. His punches or kicks could barely affect Luffy even with Koka. So while he may be faster, he'd never put an endurance beast like Zoro down with them. He also loses his aerial maneuvrability, and all his hax and range techniques which will make Zoro tagging him much more easier. While durable, a few sanzen sekai would put him down, not even counting the post-skip Asura that should be fearsome currently

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doffy mid diff s1
Zoro high diff s2

Doffy has base Luffy physical strength. His punches or kicks could barely affect Luffy even with Koka. So while he may be faster, he'd never put an endurance beast like Zoro down with them. He also loses his aerial maneuvrability, and all his hax and range techniques which will make Zoro tagging him much more easier. While durable, a few sanzen sekai would put him down, not even counting the post-skip Asura that should be fearsome currently

Uhm, you talking about pre or post Gamma Knife? Cuz, if Gamma Knife injured Doffy matches Luffy, then healthy Doffy is obviously greater than base Luffy by a lot. Prior to GK, Doffy's kicks were stunning Luffy and sending him flying.

 

[Bogard]

Uhm, you talking about pre or post Gamma Knife? Cuz, if Gamma Knife injured Doffy matches Luffy, then healthy Doffy is obviously greater than base Luffy by a lot. Prior to GK, Doffy's kicks were stunning Luffy and sending him flying.

Base Luffy matched his physical strength plenty of times, even outmaneuvered him once. And health doesn't affect your muscle strength
Even prior, despite using koka and hitting Luffy right into his face, he barely gave him a nosebleed

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His physical strength is simply not that great

 

[A v i]

Zoro did get trashed by Fujitora. No, he didn't do much better. Sanji attacked Doffy, it did nothing, and Doffy's retaliation left Sanji winded, which the latter was able to recover from and keep going. The exact same thing happened to Zoro; the only difference is that after the attack winded Zoro, Fujitora left, whereas Sanji and Doffy continued to fight. If Zoro and Fujitora had continued, Zoro would have continued getting his ass handed to him. A passive gravity wave left him needing to catch his breath. If Fujitora had went with Ferocious Tiger instead or an attack of similar strength, Zoro would have been done.

There is another difference b/w their battles i.e. the fact that Zoro saved his ass on his own and Sanji was saved by you know who he is so no their performances aren't same. Besides Zoro was attacked out of nowhere when he's going after Doffy where as it was Sanji that attacked Doffy when he was targeting the crew. Sanji tried a lot and landed so many hits on Doffy yet he couldn't even move him an inch. Zoro on the other hand made single move with which he saved his ass and moved Fujitora backwards which is a much better accomplishment than anything Sanji had accomplished against Doffy. Another thing I want to point out is the fact that Sanji was using diable jambe mode which is his best form of offence before TS where as Zoro used a slash from weakest sword of the 3 he wields. So it wasn't even his best form of offence and he lacks mobility yet he did fairly fine. Things can't be more obvious.

Why are you going on about he'd get trashed by Fujitora thing? We all know that he's no match for Fuji, the thing is whether if he did better than Sanji against a strong opponent or not and he did definitely better.

Not necessarily. Pica and Luffy use their DF in two different ways. Whereas Luffy's DF enhances his stats, Pica's don't. Pica is the same level of power with or without hid fruit, his fruit is tactical for the most part, not an enhancer, because his combat prowess is pretty mediocre, seeing as in actual moments of combat, Zoro was cakewalking. That's the point I'm trying to make. Pica was pretty much a toddler as well. You also talk like Zoro was able to get past Pica's defense no problem. It took a long time and a lot of effort.

No one in his right mind would think that DF Pica is on the same level as his base form. Playing hide and seek isn't the only thing Pica can do. Single puch of his statue is stated to be capable of destroying whole plateau for which you need G4 level destructive capabilities. You must have enough speed to totally dodge his attacks or enough strength to overpower incoming attacks otherwise you're clearly done for. Whatever typing wall of texts is unnecessary as you're obviously aware of these points. No matter how you think about him, one still needs enough power to destroy the statue and enough striking speed to corner him. Neither Vergo nor Sanji are capable of pulling it off with their current feats.

What levels? Where were they ranked against each other? You're merely assuming Zoro's opponent was stronger than Sanji's, something that hasn't happened since before Thriller Bark. You're also assuming I'm talking about Fishman Island. I wasn't including FI since they were all jokes that were all easily defeated by both Zoro and Sanji.

I don't have enough energy to argue with you. Zoro one shotted Hody who's stronger than Wadatsumi. That too was in water and if it's not enough he off paneled king of FMI. Now I hope you'd stop using this whole Sanji fought stronger opponents argument.

In Punk Hazard, Sanji had an actual threat in the form of Vergo while Zoro fought Monet, someone relatively weak. Then, he had the mediocre Pica, while Sanji had the powerhouse Doflamingo. Then when Zoro went against someone actually worth their salt, he was creamed, just like Sanji was.

LOOL, Vergo weaker than Monet? Pica stronger than Doffy? Okai

I wonder why you make it sound like this is what I think about Sanji's opponent. I have never even bought Mone into the equation and god knows why you even bought her. I was merely countering the point of Sanji fighting stronger opponents after TS. Zoro's opponent are just as strong or even stronger than that of Sanji. Whether if it is in same arc or a different ones.

Sanji's notable opponents: Doffy, Vergo, Wadatsumi

Zoro's notable opponents: Fuji, Pica and Hody.

Simply put it Zoro's opponents are just as strong and his performance is better than Sanji.

Anyways, I don't know why this is spilling into a **** measuring contest between Zoro and Sanji when the thread is about Zoro and Doffy. By feats, Zoro would get creamed just like Sanji, Law and pre-G4 Luffy did.

Apparently because some Sanji supporters in this forum can't stop themselves from putting Zoro on Sanji's class.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Base Luffy matched his physical strength plenty of times, even outmaneuvered him once. And health doesn't affect your muscle strength
Even prior, despite using koka and hitting Luffy right into his face, he barely gave him a nosebleed

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His physical strength is simply not that great

Uhh yeah it does. If your health has dropped a lot, then you don't have as much energy. Less energy means less effort you can do, less output of strength. There's also the fact that having your organs destroyed would cause a lot of pain. Then sewing it back together without anesthesia will increase the pain. Doffy's organs aren't healed.just held together, so movement would still bring pain. Not to mention the damage to nearby muscles and tissue. Moving around would cause great pain, so his movement would be limited.

Blood means pretty much nothing. Vergo's face was covered with blood after Counter Shock and it didn't work. Garp's face was covered with blood from Luffy punching him to the ground. Did pre-skip tired Luffy do more damage to Garp than Doffy did to Luffy?

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Scenario 1: Doffy wins mid diff.
Scenario 2: Zoro wins easy to mid diff.

 

[BSK]

Zoro lose mid diff and the second could go either way

 

[U mAd]

scenario 1-doffy low diffs zoro
scenario 2-zoro low diffs doffy

seriously im faking suprised as hell to see people saying df less doffy can beat zoro.he stand no chance no matter how great his haki feats.people are acting like doffy has garp level haki.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

scenario 1-doffy low diffs zoro
scenario 2-zoro low diffs doffy

seriously im faking suprised as hell to see people saying df less doffy can beat zoro.he stand no chance no matter how great his haki feats.people are acting like doffy has garp level haki.

well its not only his haki his speed feats win healthy r vast;y superior to zoros as well as his stamina and durability the only thing id give zoro over him is pure strength because of zoros strength feats ur making it seem as if doffy is crocodile or pica he doesnt only rely on his df

 

[-Akuma-]

scenario 1-doffy low diffs zoro
scenario 2-zoro low diffs doffy

seriously im faking suprised as hell to see people saying df less doffy can beat zoro.he stand no chance no matter how great his haki feats.people are acting like doffy has garp level haki.

Doffy getting low-diffed in scen 2 is a bad joke.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Mingo wins low difficulty.

Scene 2- Zoro chops him into Mingo bitz.​