Pain Arc Kakashi vs Jirayia

[EZQ]

Tsunade was still stronger than Kakashi at that moment.
War arc KamuispamKakashi and Kaguya arc ObitoGhostKakashi are only Kakashi's that could beat Tsunade.

OT;
Jiraiya takes this.

Nobody asked for Tsunade here.

And don't downgrade Kakashi with those stupid names, War arc Kakashi's development was impressive even without kamui. And yes, he shits on Tsunade.

 

[Zexion~]

SM Jiraiya is > this Kakashi.

So if he reaches it he wins.

 

[Unorthodox]

Depends on how prepared Kakashi is to jump to kamui. I see him eventually sniping away Jiraiya.

Kakashi negs with kamui snipe

Kamui gg.

Kakashi beats Jiraiya mid-high diff.

SM Jiraiya is > this Kakashi.

So if he reaches it he wins.

Kamui is a non factor he was not even able to snip things during the pain arc NB4 the nail nope he simple opened a warp hole in the nail flew right in it that simple.

SM Jiraiya

and Base Jiraiya wops his ass

Giant katon owns kakashi nb4 underground he runs into the swamp world or whatever its called giant toads are to big for his kamui then and jumping easily evades jiraiya outlast him aswell

sm jiraiya case is the same but even worst for Kakashi

 

[Black Mamba]

Kamui is a non factor he was not even able to snip things during the pain arc NB4 the nail nope he simple opened a warp hole in the nail flew right in it that simple.

SM Jiraiya

and Base Jiraiya wops his ass

Giant katon owns kakashi nb4 underground he runs into the swamp world or whatever its called giant toads are to big for his kamui then and jumping easily evades jiraiya outlast him aswell

sm jiraiya case is the same but even worst for Kakashi

Com on now he kamui sniped a moving Deidara's arm while he was also moving during the Gaara rescue arc, he sniped a missile that was targeting choji. He's easily able to snipe moving objects, but he was just nerfed.

Without kamui nerf Kakashi wins.

 

[Curse Mark]

Kakashi literally managed to activate Kamui without Deva's Sensing or Chakra Vision being able to detect it.

How does Jiraiya evade his Kamui snipe?

As for the topic, he defeats Base Jiraiya, but if Jiraiya manages Sage Mode, then he loses unless he resorts to Kamui sniping which is logical considering he admitted inferiority to SM Jiraiya.

Dude are you serious? The smaller the warp the quicker it is. So what's Kakashi going to do, warp away Jiraiya's ear or something? He kamuied a literal nail. Take this weak shit out of here.

 

[NarutoX28]

Dude are you serious? The smaller the warp the quicker it is. So what's Kakashi going to do, warp away Jiraiya's ear or something? He kamuied a literal nail. Take this weak shit out of here.

Sure and him being on his deathbed implies he couldn't knead his chakra as effectively yet he still managed to warp Deva's projectile despite him having his Sensing or Chakra Vision. Nagato's one of the best sensors out there, far better than Naruto is yet he still managed to detect Kakashi's build-up of Chakra even with the aid of the Rinnegan as well.

Had Kakashi not been so fatigued and his ability to gather chakra would've been easier.

But damn, sorry if I offended you with my shitty post. I'll do better next time.

 

[Apêx1]

He almost instantly warped Deidara's Nendo Bunshin explosion. It is pretty fast, although not necessarily fast enough to go unnoticed by Nagato's high-level sensory. Deva cannot sense btw, that much should be obvious. Chakra vision does not allow you to perceive chakra build-up within the eye, pretty sure that's exclusive to the Byakugan.

 

[NarutoX28]

He almost instantly warped Deidara's Nendo Bunshin explosion. It is pretty fast, although not necessarily fast enough to go unnoticed by Nagato's high-level sensory. Deva cannot sense btw, that much should be obvious. Chakra vision does not allow you to perceive chakra build-up within the eye, pretty sure that's exclusive to the Byakugan.

Nagato transmits Chakra through the Paths and kneads Chakra for them to utilize jutsu. There's no reason why he can't apply some form of sensing for either of the paths.

Rinnegan also had Chakra Vision as it could detect the barrier surrounding Konoha.

Perceiving chakra build-up is simply using some form of Dojutsu/Sensing that can detect Chakra being built in within a part of the body and react according to that. Deva Path displayed that he could indeed perceive chakra build-up as he noticed Tsunade storing chakra within her feet.

 

[Apêx1]

Nagato transmits Chakra through the Paths and kneads Chakra for them to utilize jutsu. There's no reason why he can't apply some form of sensing for either of the paths.

Rinnegan also had Chakra Vision as it could detect the barrier surrounding Konoha.

Perceiving chakra build-up is simply using some form of Dojutsu/Sensing that can detect Chakra being built in within a part of the body and react according to that. Deva Path displayed that he could indeed perceive chakra build-up as he noticed Tsunade storing chakra within her feet.

Baseless assumption is baseless. "No reason not to be able to" is not a viable premise. Never been done, never will be, yet it should've at a few occasions. Don't you think they would've tried to sense Naruto (who would've been hiding) from the beginning instead of trying to get intel by whatever means? Yea..

When did I ever say it didn't lmao? It sensed the chakra surrounding Tsunade's feat too, doesn't mean it can sense internal chakra build up like the Byakugan does (refer to Neji vs Kidomaru). Never been shown, never will be.

He noticed the chakra build-up outside of her feet. You place the chakra beneath your feet, not within them.

 

[NarutoX28]

Baseless assumption is baseless. "No reason not to be able to" is not a viable premise. Never been done, never will be, yet it should've at a few occasions. Don't you think they would've tried to sense Naruto (who would've been hiding) from the beginning instead of trying to get intel by whatever means? Yea..

I provided my reasoning for why I followed that premise.

Naruto was at Mount Myoboku which is an isolated area that's very far away. Not even SM Naruto's Sensing could extend that far outside of Konoha. Who knows why he didn't sense Naruto within the village. Konan didn't despite having clear sensing feats, so I would assume it would be all for the sake of plot.

When did I ever say it didn't lmao? It sensed the chakra surrounding Tsunade's feat too, doesn't mean it can sense internal chakra build up like the Byakugan does (refer to Neji vs Kidomaru). Never been shown, never will be.

Karin still could sense Ei's Bijuu Level Chakra as he was storing Chakra to release it for a Shunshin. It's not just exclusive to the Byakugan.

He noticed the chakra build-up outside of her feet. You place the chakra beneath your feet, not within them.

Actually, visual representation makes that clear, so I'll give you that ...

 

[Apêx1]

I provided my reasoning for why I followed that premise.

Naruto was at Mount Myoboku which is an isolated area that's very far away. Not even SM Naruto's Sensing could extend that far outside of Konoha. Who knows why he didn't sense Naruto within the village. Konan didn't despite having clear sensing feats, so I would assume it would be all for the sake of plot.

I'm saying Deva would've sensed all people trying to hide in Konoha and went for them. Instead he chose to send out missiles. Against Naruto he didn't sense all the clones becoming stones. He didn't sense Kakashi use Hiding like a Mole. He didn't sense Choji and his dad. He sensed nothing at all when he should've sensed many things. So he doesn't have it and there's no reason to assume he does. And even if he hypothetically could, IC Deva doesn't so that's the end of this debate.

Karin still could sense Ei's Bijuu Level Chakra as he was storing Chakra to release it for a Shunshin. It's not just exclusive to the Byakugan.
Actually, visual representation makes that clear, so I'll give you that ...

Uh what? I'm saying it's exclusive to the Byakugan Dojutsu wise. Only Byakugan can straight up perceive/sense the chakra being built up within a particular body part. Karin can understand chakra being built up to anticipate jutsu and the like, she can't see it being built up in the hands, throat or eyes like the Byakugan can. And you would think that this would be obvious since we've established that I know Nagato can sense Amaterasu since Nagato's only sensing feats were that and sensing Kabuto's location.

Ok.

 

[Zazuke]

Jiraya needs to start in sage mode if not Kakashi puts him in the kumai dimension

 

[Zexion~]

He almost instantly warped Deidara's Nendo Bunshin explosion. It is pretty fast, although not necessarily fast enough to go unnoticed by Nagato's high-level sensory. Deva cannot sense btw, that much should be obvious. Chakra vision does not allow you to perceive chakra build-up within the eye, pretty sure that's exclusive to the Byakugan.

Obviously not if he didn't sense it when it was used in front of him :lol


Kakashi doesn't need Kamui to take down base jiraiya.

Or Tsunade :lol part one Kakashi has a chance.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Dude are you serious? The smaller the warp the quicker it is. So what's Kakashi going to do, warp away Jiraiya's ear or something? He kamuied a literal nail. Take this weak shit out of here.

Or he's smart and warps part of his skull/brain away. ....

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He almost instantly warped Deidara's Nendo Bunshin explosion. It is pretty fast, although not necessarily fast enough to go unnoticed by Nagato's high-level sensory. Deva cannot sense btw, that much should be obvious. Chakra vision does not allow you to perceive chakra build-up within the eye, pretty sure that's exclusive to the Byakugan.

obito begs to differ.

 

[KidGamer65]

Dude are you serious? The smaller the warp the quicker it is. So what's Kakashi going to do, warp away Jiraiya's ear or something? He kamuied a literal nail. Take this weak shit out of here.

You know that's actually not true, or at least I've never seen proof of it in the Manga. The only variable factor in Kamui is how much chakra is used, and that depends on the mass of the object. The speed of Kamui is constant.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Kamui warp speed (Kakashi) has always been by the distance of the object/person. Close range is extremely fast, while long takes a bit of more time.

 

[KidGamer65]

^ Never once shown or implied in the Manga.

 

[Curse Mark]

Or he's smart and warps part of his skull/brain away. ....

Can you pull up the scans of him warping deidara's arm? I'd like to reference it but i'd like to be sure about what happens.

You know that's actually not true, or at least I've never seen proof of it in the Manga. The only variable factor in Kamui is how much chakra is used, and that depends on the mass of the object. The speed of Kamui is constant.

Are the size of the warp hole and the mass of the object not directly related?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

^ Never once shown or implied in the Manga.

We already went on it with this argument before...