Pain Arc Kakashi vs Jirayia

[KidGamer65]

Can you pull up the scans of him warping deidara's arm? I'd like to reference it but i'd like to be sure about what happens.



Are the size of the warp hole and the mass of the object not directly related?

They are, but size of warp hole=/=Speed of warp.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

^ Never once shown or implied in the Manga.

Kakashi was having trouble warping the Mezo head further away, and yet warp its arm no diff in a closer range.

 

[nandachikara]

jiraiya wins

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakashi was having trouble warping the Mezo head further away, and yet warp its arm no diff in a closer range.

1. Obito stopped him.
2. Kamui's speed was shown to go up as the war went on.
3.

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[BenjerminGaye]

Can you pull up the scans of him warping deidara's arm? I'd like to reference it but i'd like to be sure about what happens.

Why should I? Whatever is inside the barrier( regardless of how small the barrier is) is gonna dissappear. Plain and simple.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Here is where we argue this:

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1. Obito stopped him.
2. Kamui's speed was shown to go up as the war went on.
3.

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1. Yeah, its not like Obito could have done it at any time/distance. Otherwise he wouldnt have manually dodge Naruto chakra arm and get closer to Mezo.

2. Base on distance where do we see that (other then 3.).

3. Not sure what this means. Your trying to say that Obito warp speed against the bone is the same as Kakashi free falling? But didn't Obito linked his S/T to Kaguya? Plus Rikudou boost should count?

 

[KidGamer65]

Here is where we argue this:

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1. Yeah, its not like Obito could have done it at any time/distance. Otherwise he wouldnt have manually dodge Naruto chakra arm and get closer to Mezo.

2. Base on distance where do we see that (other then 3.).

3. Not sure what this means. Your trying to say that Obito warp speed against the bone is the same as Kakashi free falling? But didn't Obito linked his S/T to Kaguya? Plus Rikudou boost should count?

Yes. They are shown to be the same, or not dramatically different.

-Obito had Rikudo's Chakra. From the moment he stabbed Madara to the moment he died.
-Obito syncing to Kaguya's dimension lets him enter it. Nothing more, nothing less.

They are the same despite Kakashi being over a hundred meters away.

Yeah, I remember arguing this, though now there is even more evidence in my favor considering Obito and Kakashi's warp speeds are the same.

 

[Curse Mark]

They are, but size of warp hole=/=Speed of warp.

By the transitive property, aren't they the same?

The smaller the object, the smaller its density, the smaller the warp hole and the faster the warp speed.
The smaller the object---------------------------------------------------------------the faster the warp speed.

Why should I? Whatever is inside the barrier( regardless of how small the barrier is) is gonna dissappear. Plain and simple.

Lmao are you serious? What's your issue? I was asking for a favor because i'm on mobile but I guess that's too much to ask for. Not even gonna bother trying to argue this with you.

 

[Apêx1]

obito begs to differ.

Are you referring to the Obito that can sense? Lmao

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Yes. They are shown to be the same, or not dramatically different.

-Obito had Rikudo's Chakra. From the moment he stabbed Madara to the moment he died.
-Obito syncing to Kaguya's dimension lets him enter it. Nothing more, nothing less.

They are the same despite Kakashi being over a hundred meters away.

Yeah, I remember arguing this, though now there is even more evidence in my favor considering Obito and Kakashi's warp speeds are the same.

Why can't Kamui sync mean it will be able to manually close the portal?

Not sure which part you are rebutting, but concerning @Bold distance, isnt that an exaggeration? Mid range at best.

I honestly dont know why Kakashi would need to move closer to Naruto if distance was irrelevant to Kakashi.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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Lmao are you serious? What's your issue? I was asking for a favor because i'm on mobile but I guess that's too much to ask for. Not even gonna bother trying to argue this with you.

I'm on mobile too, why should I go out of my way? We have the same Internet, you know where to find it.

Are you referring to the Obito that can sense? Lmao

I forgot being jj gives you sensing...

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[Curse Mark]

I'm on mobile too, why should I go out of my way? We have the same Internet, you know where to find it.

Wow it's almost like you could have simply said, 'I'm on mobile too, I don't want to look up the scans.'
You're an awfully aggressive person, not really worth dealing with. If you find as you go through life that people seem to want to discuss, argue, and converse with you less consider maybe you should reevaluate the way you interact with people. Maybe you won't end up completely alone like whoever taught you that's an okay way to treat other people
:sdo:

 

[Zexion~]

The distance obviously determines the focus Kakashi requires to aim the Kamui.....

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Wow it's almost like you could have simply said, 'I'm on mobile too, I don't want to look up the scans.'
You're an awfully aggressive person, not really worth dealing with. If you find as you go through life that people seem to want to discuss, argue, and converse with you less consider maybe you should reevaluate the way you interact with people. Maybe you won't end up completely alone like whoever taught you that's an okay way to treat other people
:sdo:

I ask one question and I'm aggressive.

 

[Curse Mark]

I ask one question and I'm aggressive.

Both your responses and not just in this thread. I used to respect you, thought you were a cool dude. Just offering some advice and saying I'd rather not associate any more. This could all be done in a VM though, its a bit late. Lets just drop it and move on

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Both your responses and not just in this thread. I used to respect you, thought you were a cool dude. Just offering some advice and saying I'd rather not associate any more. This could all be done in a VM though, its a bit late. Lets just drop it and move on

It's funny how ppl automatically assume tone of voice, in written not spoken words, then jump to conclusions based off those assumptions.

Anyways the fact of the matter is this. We both know what you are looking for. We both know how to find it. If you just wanted it as reference you'd click the link at the top of the page like everyone else.

Again posting said scans dosent change the mechanics, the technique worked the same way the first time, all the way up to the last time, some of which is already posted in the thread. Good day.

 

[KidGamer65]

By the transitive property, aren't they the same?

The smaller the object, the smaller its density, the smaller the warp hole and the faster the warp speed.
The smaller the object---------------------------------------------------------------the faster the warp speed.

Nope. Because you've assumed that "smaller warp hole=faster warp speed" when in reality the size of the warp hole doesn't matter. It will always suck the object in at the same speed. The only variable in Kamui is mass and chakra usage.

The distance obviously determines the focus Kakashi requires to aim the Kamui.....

Which isn't speed. Obviously.

Why can't Kamui sync mean it will be able to manually close the portal?

Don't start the grasping at straws here, cause that is clearly what this attempt is. Kamui "synced" with Kaguya's portal when it opened, allowing him to travel through the portal using Kamui. Nothing more, nothing less. Anything else is an assumption, one backed by no proof no less.

What hurts your argument even more is that Obito synced to her portal, but he never used Kamui on her portal. Only Kakashi did, and Kakashi didn't sync with her portal.

Not sure which part you are rebutting, but concerning @Bold distance, isnt that an exaggeration? Mid range at best.

I'm saying that Obito and Kakashi's warp are the same despite the large distance. And yeah, a bit of an exaggeration, but that's not mid range. That's long range.

I honestly dont know why Kakashi would need to move closer to Naruto if distance was irrelevant to Kakashi.

1. Already proved that distance is irrelevant when it came to warp speed.

2. If he's moving closer it's to get a better view of the target.

 

[Zexion~]

Nope. Because you've assumed that "smaller warp hole=faster warp speed" when in reality the size of the warp hole doesn't matter. It will always suck the object in at the same speed. The only variable in Kamui is mass and chakra usage.



Which isn't speed. Obviously.



Don't start the grasping at straws here, cause that is clearly what this attempt is. Kamui "synced" with Kaguya's portal when it opened, allowing him to travel through the portal using Kamui. Nothing more, nothing less. Anything else is an assumption, one backed by no proof no less.

What hurts your argument even more is that Obito synced to her portal, but he never used Kamui on her portal. Only Kakashi did, and Kakashi didn't sync with her portal.



I'm saying that Obito and Kakashi's warp are the same despite the large distance. And yeah, a bit of an exaggeration, but that's not mid range. That's long range.



1. Already proved that distance is irrelevant when it came to warp speed.

2. If he's moving closer it's to get a better view of the target.

No but it means a longer casting time......

 

[EZQ]

The bigger the object the more Kakashi takes to prep kamui, but once the barrier is already set up, the warping speed is always the same.

Hence that's why Obito was on time to cancel Kakashi's kamui against the gedo mazo's head, which he could react to, but when Kakashi warped a smaller object (bm naruto's clone) he couldn't even notice it, because Kakashi activated it instantly.