How strong is base Gai

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Helllll Naw! Zabuza for sure beats him and Haku takes him exhigh diff in gais favor considering he already reacted to both Lee and Gais strike cannonly. No, Naruto isn't anything close to being good in CQC period! He has never ever shown anything worth bragging about what so ever. Only SM Naruto is what can be looked at thanks to his added abilities. Itachi talking with naruto and fighting bee at the same time doesn't make Naruto any better in CQC. lol Be serious bro!!!

I disagree. You need to take Gai's perception, reflexes, durability, and pain resistancy into account in those two matches.

SM doesn't enhance pure taijutsu skill, it enhances everything around it. So what's your point? KCM Naruto has great durability, the mental reaction to react to V2 Ay's fastest blitz, shunshin to avoid attacks, proficient enough taijutsu skill to go head to head with Itachi for a bit, chakra arms, Odama Rasengan (and it's variants), and Kage Bunshins...etc. How do you even begin to say KCM Naruto isn't any good in CQC?

You're the one being retarded here and you need to calm down and take it down a notch.

Yes Gai is greater than all those people in CQC. Hence why he is more impressive than Naruto in CQC. Hidan and Asuma have nothing to do with what I said, really don't know why you keep mentioning them.

Show me where I said Naruto is greater than Asuma/Hidan.

You need to learn how to read before chirping into a conversation with absolute nonsense. I was making a point to Lucky Man, which you just supported. Thank you, and take your simp ass elsewhere.
 
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I disagree. You need to take Gai's perception, reflexes, durability, and pain resistancy into account in those two matches.

SM doesn't enhance pure taijutsu skill, it enhances everything around it. So what's your point? KCM Naruto has great durability, the mental reaction to react to V2 Ay's fastest blitz, shunshin to avoid attacks, proficient enough taijutsu skill to go head to head with Itachi for a bit, chakra arms, Odama Rasengan (and it's variants), and Kage Bunshins...etc. How do you even begin to say KCM Naruto isn't any good in CQC?



You need to learn how to read before chirping into a conversation with absolute nonsense. Take your simp ass elsewhere please.

Nice concession. Claiming I said things I didn't smh. You got anger issues.
 

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No Neji ends Gai in CQC it isnt even funny nor debatable. The fact that Lee needed minimum of 5 gates just to stand a chance against Kid Neji in CQC and the fact Gai cannonly stated this was the way to beat Neji.. You do the math! Neji wins low-mid and thats me being modest!

That's guy talking to lee tho. Lee needs it. Not guy talking about himself. I think you're the one that needs to recheck his math.
 

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I disagree. You need to take Gai's perception, reflexes, durability, and pain resistancy into account in those two matches.

SM doesn't enhance pure taijutsu skill, it enhances everything around it. So what's your point? KCM Naruto has great durability, the mental reaction to react to V2 Ay's fastest blitz, shunshin to avoid attacks, proficient enough taijutsu skill to go head to head with Itachi for a bit, chakra arms, Odama Rasengan (and it's variants), and Kage Bunshins...etc. How do you even begin to say KCM Naruto isn't any good in CQC?



You need to learn how to read before chirping into a conversation with absolute nonsense. I was making a point to Lucky Man, which you just supported. Thank you, and take your simp ass elsewhere.

I'm talking Hand to hand COmbat bro, not Ninjutsu which is something Gai doesn't use. This is where i think we differ. You take overall ninjutsu into play while I take only hand to hand combat which is piss poor! The reason why Sage mode makes him better is because of Frog fuu hitting you when he misses, so you are fuq either way. Zabuza>base guy
 

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That's guy talking to lee tho. Lee needs it. Not guy talking about himself. I think you're the one that needs to recheck his math.

So are you saying Gai=5th gate Lee????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 

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So are you saying Gai=5th gate Lee????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Are you saying 5th gate lee= neji? Lmfao.

I see guy beating CE 5th gate lee in base. He was able to track lee's movements without sharingan(unlike kakashi) and given his feats ,and pt2 scaling I see it happening.
 

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Are you saying 5th gate lee= neji? Lmfao.

I see guy beating CE 5th gate lee in base. He was able to track lee's movements without sharingan(unlike kakashi) and given his feats ,and pt2 scaling I see it happening.

So you are indeed saying Base Guy over 5th gate lees? lol Ok i'm done.
 

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So you are indeed saying Base Guy over 5th gate lees? lol Ok i'm done.

Well he dosen't have to to since neji isn't 5th gate lee.

But how I see it.

Pt 2 Guy>part 1 CE lee>Pt 1 neji.
 

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Naruto was engaging Itachi in taijutsu... that isn't by any means an above average feat. However, I wasn't talking strictly about taijutsu... I said Gai looked more impressive while fighting alongside KCM Naruto. That entails his perception and reflexes, in addition to his taijutsu. Overall, he did a better job in CQC then KCM Naruto did. Asuma is very clearly outclassed in terms of taijutsu skill, reflexes, perception, strength, travelling speed, body movement speed, and striking speed; and those wind chakra blades don't compensate enough. an armed opponent is so simple, even Ino/Chouji could do it against Asuma [ ]-[ ]. Gai won't have much trouble doing the very same, and possibly disarming Asuma, like he did to Kisame.

You're going to have to prove how slow Yamato is accomplishing any of that.

You call that a Taijutsu fight? Itachi jumped down on Naruto, they blocked each other, Bee came in and swung at Itachi, Itachi runs away. That's literally all that happened. We can't gauage who wins in a taijutsu fight based on that when one, Itachi was Edo and had lower stats across the board, two, Naruto wasn't seriously going all out, and three, it lasted all about a few seconds.

Asumas DB stats speak for his lack of panel time. His Taijutsu and Speed are ranked equal along with Kakashi, who can hold his own against a base Gai without Sharingan. Your basically saying Gai will dance around Asuma and shit all over him flawlessly, which is not happening to someone ranked in the same tier as Kakashi in Taijutsu with more reach and can slice off his limbs on contact. Bro, Gai is more experienced than Naruto, his battle senses would obviously be sharper and we know CQC is his main area where as its not for Naruto so he didn't look more impressive, he is more impressive. What was Naruto doing anyway? Rasengans, Taijutsu, and chakra arms? The latter he just received hours prior to that point?

Also, Gai didn't disarm Kisame, the entire team 9 contributed with attacks and he was successfully disarmed. Again, Asuma was Edo, they have lower stats across the board, so he wasn't 100% for the choji panel.


I just told you how Yamato can beat him. Mokuton Bunshins can feint Gai and he can restrain him in a prison and impale him. Speed? What speed do you think Yamato needs? Kisame was ranked a 4 in speed and Gai couldn't pressure him or prevent him from using techniques, Yamato is also a 4 so I don't know what you're really asking for.
 

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OP: Gai is still quite strong. He kept up with Obito in CQC and avoided being kamui'd. He was able to save Kakashi at the last moment before Madara's tsb was about to him. Plus he pushed back Madara's Susano(it may have destroyed it because, the wood biding around Killer Bee loosened) with Hirudora at base form.
 

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OP: Gai is still quite strong. He kept up with Obito in CQC and avoided being kamui'd. He was able to save Kakashi at the last moment before Madara's tsb was about to him. Plus he pushed back Madara's Susano(it may have destroyed it because, the wood biding around Killer Bee loosened) with Hirudora at base form.

Gai cant use hirudora in base
 

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You call that a Taijutsu fight? Itachi jumped down on Naruto, they blocked each other, Bee came in and swung at Itachi, Itachi runs away. That's literally all that happened. We can't gauage who wins in a taijutsu fight based on that when one, Itachi was Edo and had lower stats across the board, two, Naruto wasn't seriously going all out, and three, it lasted all about a few seconds.

KCM Naruto displayed higher reflexes than Bee did considering he managed to perceive Itachi's Shunshin faster than Bee did and initiated a counterattack, the latter being able to demolish Taka Sasuke in a fight, the same guy when severely weakened could handle 3T Kakashi in CQC after his fight with Danzo. It's important to note Kakashi displayed superiority over both Asuma and Kurenai as he managed to perceive Itachi's seals and counter with a bushin feint that Kisame didn't even detect.

Bee is the same guy who couldn't even disarm Kisame after Kisame was forced to parry Sabu whereas Gai parried Kisame and disarmed him. Gai is far above Asuma in terms of reflexes even in Base.

Asumas DB stats speak for his lack of panel time. His Taijutsu and Speed are ranked equal along with Kakashi, who can hold his own against a base Gai without Sharingan.

Except they're not considering those stats are excluding Kakashi's Sharingan which enhances his reflexes considerably.

Your basically saying Gai will dance around Asuma and shit all over him flawlessly, which is not happening to someone ranked in the same tier as Kakashi in Taijutsu with more reach and can slice off his limbs on contact.

Asuma is not in the same tier as War Arc Obito who casually overwhelmed KCM Naruto in CQC and even managed to overwhelm him even later without any Kamui usage whatsoever and Base Gai performed exceptionally, far better than KCM Naruto even did who has superior reflexes to Base Bee. There's also your misconception that Kakashi is suddenly as experienced as Gai is in Taijutsu when Gai has had a 5 in Taijutsu ever since the beginning of Part 1 which has been improving ever since.

There's also the fact that Zetsu warned the Akatsuki not to understimate Base Gai's Taijutsu prowess whereas no such thing was stated for Kakashi making the implication that Gai has more experience in CQC than Kakashi does.

Bro, Gai is more experienced than Naruto, his battle senses would obviously be sharper and we know CQC is his main area where as its not for Naruto so he didn't look more impressive, he is more impressive. What was Naruto doing anyway? Rasengans, Taijutsu, and chakra arms? The latter he just received hours prior to that point?

Chakra Arms were a basic ability he achieved ever since he awakened his Kyuubi Cloak and he further improved his Chakra Control since then. His Chakra Arms are actually very impressive as he managed to create Chakra Arms faster than Muu can even perceive.

Also, Gai didn't disarm Kisame, the entire team 9 contributed with attacks and he was successfully disarmed. Again, Asuma was Edo, they have lower stats across the board, so he wasn't 100% for the choji panel.



Again, you're wrong. Gai overpowered Kisame in CQC and disarmed him without any aid as Gai only called in for help after disarming him.

The Edo Tensei that Kabuto revived weren't stated to to be weaker than their original counterparts whereas Madara and the Kages were. It's still pretty pathetic either way as Asuma was pressured by Shikamaru's Shadows and even Ino could compete with him in CQC. Even if you could argue that Edo Asuma < Alive Asuma, it really doesn't matter as the Edo Kages were stated to be revived at almost full power.


I just told you how Yamato can beat him. Mokuton Bunshins can feint Gai and he can restrain him in a prison and impale him. Speed? What speed do you think Yamato needs? Kisame was ranked a 4 in speed and Gai couldn't pressure him or prevent him from using techniques, Yamato is also a 4 so I don't know what you're really asking for.

Mokuton Bushin feint that Sai could even perceive who has inferior stats to Asuma which I have proven is vastly inferior to Base Gai. Yeah, that's not happening. Yamato and Base Naruto couldn't even overcome a partially enhanced Kabuto, so there's no reason to believe that Yamato can compete with Base Gai.

Kisame has far better reflexes than Yamato seeing as how he could react to Base Bee who has inferior reflexes than Base Gai. But really, what hurts you here is that a Weaker incarnation of Itachi could Shunshin blitz Kurenai who also has a 4 in Speed. It's important to note that KCM Naruto reacted to Prime Itachi's Shunshin speed and Gai displayed superior reflexes to that.

So yeah, Yamato can't compete with Base Gai. His Mokuton isn't enough to overpower Part 2 Kabuto prior to him receiving Orochimaru's cells, so Base Gai casually counters any attempt Yamato makes at bushin feinting him.
 

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Make a thread and i would prove the facts. Neji low diffs Gai at base.

Base Gai can contend with Kisame while Part 2 Neji gets captured by one of Kisame's weaker Suiton Clones.

Even Databook proves you wrong.
 

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Base Gai can contend with Kisame while Part 2 Neji gets captured by one of Kisame's weaker Suiton Clones.

Even Databook proves you wrong.

Because the databook has always been accurate right? lol
And Neji busted out of that water prison after 1 min.
 

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Because the databook has always been accurate right? lol
And Neji busted out of that water prison after 1 min.

And Gai was never caught by the Water Prison in the first place.
 

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And Gai was never caught by the Water Prison in the first place.

Because he ordered his team to ambush him..........

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