Clearing up a misconception : Naruto blitzing Kaguya.

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Megax Rocker7

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1-I said it before, yes he blitzed her.

2-he teleported kaguya and Madara between himself and naruto if you can remember

Also without the sfx alot if things wouldn't have been clear like Sasuke's PS teleport.

3-Can you pin point to me where it was established that he didn't teleport naruto:bdpf:
 

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1-I said it before, yes he blitzed her.
Ok so then it's irrelevant (to my argument and to as why the OP was made)

2-he teleported kaguya and Madara between himself and naruto if you can remember
Ok so show me, because I just went back and read and never saw that happening

Also without the sfx alot if things wouldn't have been clear like Sasuke's PS teleport.

3-Can you pin point to me where it was established that he didn't teleport naruto:bdpf:
You're asking me to prove something that doesn't exist. The burden of proof relies on you

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So since Minato uses FTG he can react to it
So since Tobiarama uses FTG he can react to it
So since every ninja uses Body Flicker, they can react to it
So since Sasuke used Ameno, he can react to it (which he didn't against Kaguya)
So since Ay uses his own speed that means he can react to it



This shitty post is just as bad as your shitty logic since I already told you Sasuke failed to react to Kaguya's Ameno

*sigh* Alright, here we go.

When one is in a location at any given time, two things occur. One is perception, which is picking up your surroundings with your five senses, and the other is processing, which is your brain making sense of the information in the aforementioned concept. When you move, or something in the vicinity of your senses' range changes location, your senses pick up this change, and your brain processes it. This is what reaction speed is. It is essentially how fast your senses pick up information, and how fast your brain processes this information.

When you travel, your perception of where things are changes. If you're running towards a tree, you perceive the tree as coming closer and closer, and your brain processes this perception so you understand. If your senses are not acute, or fast, enough to pick up the changes around you as movement is done, your brain cannot process these changes. After all, how can your brain process information it was never given? What this means is that at a certain speed, your senses become incapable of perceiving these changes. This applies to you moving(if you're in a car that is moving too fast, all you'd see is a blur) or another object moving(when a bullet is fired, you can't actually see the bullet traveling through the air at real time). Why do you think C noted the Raikage's armor also enhances his reflexes? Because if his senses cannot perceive the world around him as he blitzes around, he will be blinded. The same thing happened to Kiba. He said that when he and Akamaru spin in Twin-Headed Wolf form, the movement is so fast they cannot keep up with it using their eyes, resulting in them being unable to see.

The same applies for teleporting, whether it be yourself or something else. It applies a hundred times more because teleporting is on an entirely different level above simple movement. The thing about movement speed is there is a passage of time, as speed is distance over time. Meaning, there is a window of time where you can react to the changes. Teleporting, true teleporting(FTG, Ameno, not warping like Kamui), has no passage of time. Between point A and B is zero seconds. The very same millisecond that you are in point A is the very same millisecond that you are in point B. Meaning, your senses have to be fast enough to pick up two separate positions and everything that corresponds, simultaneously within the same millisecond. Any slower, and when you arrive to location B, you'd still have the collected and processed information of location A. At which point, you'd have to pause and take in the new information from location B and let it process. Sasuke has never suffered from that. There has never been an instance where Sasuke used Ameno and was left needing to look around.

Even if Sasuke already has a mental idea of where he'll end up and when he'll end up there and what it will look like, he still needs to be physically capable of making this perception and processing in time. This is why if someone says "I'm going to shoot that spot on that target in exactly five seconds and it will get there in one second" and you visualize the bullet moving through the air, you still can't actually see the bullet as it travels.
 

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1-have it your way then.

2-posting scans While I'm on phone is a pain but here you go
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3-agreed, a counter to debunk the sfx doesn't exist.
 

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*sigh* Alright, here we go.

When one is in a location at any given time, two things occur. One is perception, which is picking up your surroundings with your five senses, and the other is processing, which is your brain making sense of the information in the aforementioned concept. When you move, or something in the vicinity of your senses' range changes location, your senses pick up this change, and your brain processes it. This is what reaction speed is. It is essentially how fast your senses pick up information, and how fast your brain processes this information.

When you travel, your perception of where things are changes. If you're running towards a tree, you perceive the tree as coming closer and closer, and your brain processes this perception so you understand. If your senses are not acute, or fast, enough to pick up the changes around you as movement is done, your brain cannot process these changes. After all, how can your brain process information it was never given? What this means is that at a certain speed, your senses become incapable of perceiving these changes. This applies to you moving(if you're in a car that is moving too fast, all you'd see is a blur) or another object moving(when a bullet is fired, you can't actually see the bullet traveling through the air at real time). Why do you think C noted the Raikage's armor also enhances his reflexes? Because if his senses cannot perceive the world around him as he blitzes around, he will be blinded. The same thing happened to Kiba. He said that when he and Akamaru spin in Twin-Headed Wolf form, the movement is so fast they cannot keep up with it using their eyes, resulting in them being unable to see.

The same applies for teleporting, whether it be yourself or something else. It applies a hundred times more because teleporting is on an entirely different level above simple movement. The thing about movement speed is there is a passage of time, as speed is distance over time. Meaning, there is a window of time where you can react to the changes. Teleporting, true teleporting(FTG, Ameno, not warping like Kamui), has no passage of time. Between point A and B is zero seconds. The very same millisecond that you are in point A is the very same millisecond that you are in point B. Meaning, your senses have to be fast enough to pick up two separate positions and everything that corresponds, simultaneously within the same millisecond. Any slower, and when you arrive to location B, you'd still have the collected and processed information of location A. At which point, you'd have to pause and take in the new information from location B and let it process. Sasuke has never suffered from that. There has never been an instance where Sasuke used Ameno and was left needing to look around.

Even if Sasuke already has a mental idea of where he'll end up and when he'll end up there and what it will look like, he still needs to be physically capable of making this perception and processing in time. This is why if someone says "I'm going to shoot that spot on that target in exactly five seconds and it will get there in one second" and you visualize the bullet moving through the air, you still can't actually see the bullet as it travels.

This wall of text was stated by Lee in part 1


Sasuke didn't react to Kaguya's Ameno therefore your argument holds zero weight since it's already been proven that he couldn't react to Ameno
 

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1-have it your way then.

2-posting scans While I'm on phone is a pain but here you go
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3-agreed, a counter to debunk the sfx doesn't exist.

Oh lord :lmao:


You do realize that Sasuke needs an object to swap with right? He cannot teleport people without that requirement pre-Gaiden. Also, you claim to read, but didn't post any of the pages after that. Again, I see nowhere where Sasuke teleported Kaguya
 

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Ok, and what exactly does that mean ?
That means sasuke asked naruto to throw his attack towards him so sasuke can ameno madara to their spot.


... Wasn't your argument that Ssauke needed to concentrate his eye to teleport people or am I misunderstanding something ?
I said either to focus on or let them know before hand that he's gonna ameno them.

Not as much of a speculation as it is basic reasoning. Someone with a space-time power being stuck in a separate dimension and exhausting himself doing something to escape, what could that something be if not trying to use S-T teleportation ? It's speculation of people to affirmatively claim that Sasuke can only use his ability 3 times before needing to cool-down when the circumstances of that cool-down are unclear and open for interpretations. We know for a fact that he used it 4 times after that cool down anyway.
Excuses. and four more times when?...


Sasuke and Naruto were linked by Kyuubi cloaks before, that ddin't stop them from communicating even though Naruto could clearely resort to telepathy lol
That was because of ino's mind jutsu. Naruto can only use telepathy with the bijuus.

We literally have no idea what Kaguya means by I fixed it. It's anyone's guess how she fixed it. Naruto was still unable to move a struggled just to get up, if I were to guess Kaguya just made it some that more chakra = more affected. That would explain why she was unable to even move while Naruto and Sasuke could stand up and Obito and Kakashi run.
She did fix the gravity since her aim was off by it. She was still in kneeling position because she was tired/low on chakra. She seemed to fixate gravity on naruto & sasuke's position tho. since she aimed in her kneeling position and not aiming low hinting that the gravity fixated on naruto & sasuke would make the ash bones go down and hit the two.

Nothing. I'm just trying to explore different paths if there is a reason to do so.
From your posts in this thread. You seemed to make this "path" as fact...
 

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Oh lord :lmao:


You do realize that Sasuke needs an object to swap with right? He cannot teleport people without that requirement pre-Gaiden. Also, you claim to read, but didn't post any of the pages after that. Again, I see nowhere where Sasuke teleported Kaguya

And this is where our discussion ends.

If you don't know how sasuke's amenotejikara works then I can't go on with this.

But'll just give a nice hint:

Look at the scan where Sasuke and Naruto are attempting to seal kaguya in the magma dimension, you can see that the smoke from naruto's reverse harem is present meaning that Kaguya was moved to the duo's location and guess by what technique? That's for you to answer.
 

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Oh lord :lmao:


You do realize that Sasuke needs an object to swap with right? He cannot teleport people without that requirement pre-Gaiden. Also, you claim to read, but didn't post any of the pages after that. Again, I see nowhere where Sasuke teleported Kaguya

What did he swap with when he teleported behind Naruto?

This wall of text was stated by Lee in part 1


Sasuke didn't react to Kaguya's Ameno therefore your argument holds zero weight since it's already been proven that he couldn't react to Ameno

1. Sasuke was still getting used to that level of ability.

2. Who said he didn't react? By Kaguya's Ameno, you mean the dimension swapping right? There is nothing anyone can do against that. It happens instantly, there is no physical movement you can do. For Sasuke to be unable to react to it, he'd need to be unable to perceive and process the shift, which he has not shown to be incapable of doing.

3. Sasuke can react to his own Ameno. As shown with Kiba and The Raikage, if you are doing the movement you still need to be able to react to it(why Kiba can't see in Twin Wolf and why the Raikage needed to enhance his reflexes.)
 

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What did he swap with when he teleported behind Naruto?

That's for you to prove, Sasuke never teleported anyone pre-Gaiden


1. Sasuke was still getting used to that level of ability.
Irrelevant, why state he can react then?

2. Who said he didn't react? By Kaguya's Ameno, you mean the dimension swapping right? There is nothing anyone can do against that. It happens instantly, there is no physical movement you can do. For Sasuke to be unable to react to it, he'd need to be unable to perceive and process the shift, which he has not shown to be incapable of doing.

And you're stating I'm a poor debater but yet stating that he can react to his own Ameno because he can use it. Shitty logic is shitty. Are both not instant?

3. Snip
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And this is where our discussion ends.

If you don't know how sasuke's amenotejikara works then I can't go on with this.

But'll just give a nice hint:

Look at the scan where Sasuke and Naruto are attempting to seal kaguya in the magma dimension, you can see that the smoke from naruto's reverse harem is present meaning that Kaguya was moved to the duo's location and guess by what technique? That's for you to answer.

I don't recall, can you post the scan? Because Naruto jumped up to her and then hit her. Post the scan and show me where he used it
 

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That means sasuke asked naruto to throw his attack towards him so sasuke can ameno madara to their spot.

Ok, and how is that related to what we are discussing ?

I said either to focus on or let them know before hand that he's gonna ameno them.
Ok, so which is it... ? No actually, why does this matter ? Seems like the arguments are being thrown all over the place with no actual relevant point.

Excuses. and four more times when?...

Calling what I said excuses neither disproves them nor explain the situation any better.
1) To teleport next to Kaguya in Gravity world
2) To teleport next to Kaguya during the sealing
3) To telport behind Naruto for the Chidori
4) To teleport his Susanoo.

That was because of ino's mind jutsu. Naruto can only use telepathy with the bijuus.

Obito begs to disagree.

She did fix the gravity since her aim was off by it. She was still in kneeling position because she was tired/low on chakra. She seemed to fixate gravity on naruto & sasuke's position tho. since she aimed in her kneeling position and not aiming low hinting that the gravity fixated on naruto & sasuke would make the ash bones go down and hit the two.

That's a flawed interpretation and it doesn't really make much sense. If the gravity was just fixated on Naruto and Sasuke's position then Kaguya wouldn't have needed to switch dimensions to escape Sasuke's chidori in the first place.

From your posts in this thread. You seemed to make this "path" as fact...
Unless I see a reason not to, of course I'm going to further explain/establish my view.
 

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Read above

How convenient you snipped the part that proves if you can't react to the speed of your own movement, you can't use it properly.

Nope,burden of proof is in you. You made the claim that he cannot teleport pre-gaiden without switching with someone or something, you must prove he switched with something there.
 

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I don't recall, can you post the scan? Because Naruto jumped up to her and then hit her. Post the scan and show me where he used it

I already posted it but if this means you'll stop replying then sure why not, might aswell post the whole chapter:

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Naruto uses his reverse harem jutsu

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Then punched her and sent her flying

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Then Sasuke and Naruto face each other and suddenly Kaguya appears between them.
I wonder what sorcery did they use to do that?
 

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I already posted it but if this means you'll stop replying then sure why not, might aswell post the whole chapter:

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Naruto uses his reverse harem jutsu

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Then punched her and sent her flying

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Then Sasuke and Naruto face each other and suddenly Kaguya appears between them.
I wonder what sorcery did they use to do that?

Got him bad with this one.
 

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Nice thread, clearly stated facts, can't deny manga scans like most Sasuke haters do. 10/10
 

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Ok, and how is that related to what we are discussing ?
Do you have a memory of a goldfish? I was showing you proof that sasuke just doesn't use ameno without telling naruto he's going to use it.
Ok, so which is it... ? No actually, why does this matter ? Seems like the arguments are being thrown all over the place with no actual relevant point.
The point is sasuke doesn't ameno naruto without communicating with the either.
Calling what I said excuses neither disproves them nor explain the situation any better.
1) To teleport next to Kaguya in Gravity world
2) To teleport next to Kaguya during the sealing
3) To telport behind Naruto for the Chidori
4) To teleport his Susanoo.
They had a rest between 2 and 3. Hell, They didn't fight until like five chapters later.

Obito begs to disagree.
Juubito was in the perfect jinchuuriki dimension with naruto. If that's what you're referring too.
something only accessible to bijuu and perfect jins.

That's a flawed interpretation and it doesn't really make much sense. If the gravity was just fixated on Naruto and Sasuke's position then Kaguya wouldn't have needed to switch dimensions to escape Sasuke's chidori in the first place.
She switched dimensions to the core dimension so she can recover her chakra. What would be the point of staying there when her chakra is low?
Unless I see a reason not to, of course I'm going to further explain/establish my view.
Naruto used shunshin against kaguya.
Why do you think there was a panel of his feet?
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Another thing is when has sasuke teleported something from naruto's position to next to Kaguya? Maybe i forgot but whenever sasuke teleports someone it's alway close to him...
 

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How convenient you snipped the part that proves if you can't react to the speed of your own movement, you can't use it properly.

Nope,burden of proof is in you. You made the claim that he cannot teleport pre-gaiden without switching with someone or something, you must prove he switched with something there.

Get off his nuts, at least he used manga scans to back his argument

Bold is literally the dumbest to ever come out of your mouth

So Kakashi can react to Kamui because he can use Kamui, but if he can't he's not using it right?


Please don't respond to me again, I'll be sure to never debate against you ever again


I already posted it but if this means you'll stop replying then sure why not, might aswell post the whole chapter:

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Naruto uses his reverse harem jutsu

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Then punched her and sent her flying

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Then Sasuke and Naruto face each other and suddenly Kaguya appears between them.
I wonder what sorcery did they use to do that?

Ok, I'll agree to disagree, can't see where it's quite clear that he has the ability to teleport people but I can't refute that he didn't. You might be right about that
 

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You're saying Kaguya was weakened and Naruto didnt speed blitz her when clearly he did weakened or not he still speed blitz'd a god level opponent..


where did you get Sasuke teleporting Naruto with abbreviation? nice!

This thread is just a big cluster **** of a fool trying to convince otherwise by
 
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