True but even then there was a panel showing they at least made eye contact and nodded before they began. It didn't just happen. That's the point some of us are trying to get across. Kishi doesn't just display teamwork or a combo technique without some indication of it. Anything from looking at each other, to dialog, to panel shots of one then the other, to one calling the other's name before a combination attack, there is always an indicator that teamwork just took place.
You're theory is wrong, at least when regarding Sasuke using his S/T on Naruto.
Usually we get some indication that Sasuke used it, and sometimes it is with the mark. However, there are times where it doesn't appear at all as shadowcb pointed out, and there are times where it's used without the use of S/T.
Ex.
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The marks appear to show Naruto activating his cloak and Madara getting away.
I honestly have no idea how Kaguya's powers work, but if it's anything like Sasuke's then you could be on to something as he lost his 6T after dimension swapping.
Damn are you insecure or what? This thread has nothing to do with Sasuke, but since you want to bring him up...
This thread does nothing but establish the misconception about SASUKE and Naruto. It was generally accepted that Sasuke > Naruto in speed (can't get faster then instant) while Naruto > Sasuke in footspeed. But with the facts OP has provided it is now evident that Sasuke > Naruto in footspeed, as Narto has no feats (now that this Kaguya one has been debunked) that compares to Sasuke blitzing 1 eyed JJ Madara.
Summary: as of this thread: Sasuke > Naruto in footspeed and speed while Naruto > Sasuke in terms of reaction speed (Sasuke has no noteworthy reaction feats).
Also, in response to your other point. Kaguya was actively targetting Sasuke throughout the battle. Possibly because she deemed him more of a threat. She didn't start taking Naruto seriously till he showcased his feat with the multi shadow clone jutsu.
Herp derp, I'm surprised this thread is still living o:
Anyways, there were Sasuke faps appearing out of the
blue in this thread claiming this makes Naruto's feats performed
on Kaguya invalid, thus putting him lesser than or on Sasuke's level.
Hi ftw (I also give zero ****s to read your post as you selected mine, passively bypassing the
various "insecure" Sasuke faps)
If someone punches a drugged man, they punched that man.
If someone kills a drugged man, they killed that man.
If someone beats a drugged man, they beat that man.
Their condition is irrelevant to whether or not you can
deny that [insert-action] has happened to them.
Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. It has been a while.
I have noticed that quite a few (many) people are confused about what actually happened in chapter 687 when Naruto cut-off Kaguya's arm, which is understandable to some degree, so I thought I should make this thread to help clarifying a bit. But first, since I know some people will undeniably jump to conclusions.
@Alastor. Your logic is simply retarded. If you throw a Nuke on some Africans who have no technology you still NUKE them. It's not like the NUKE won't do what a nuke does just because they have no technology.
Oy, and from where the Fu Ck did you breed the idea that Naruto was teleported by Sasuke who had his power on cd. That's an insult to Naruto's character.
Please use brain next time... .. I'm serious. Use it.
Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. It has been a while.
I have noticed that quite a few (many) people are confused about what actually happened in chapter 687 when Naruto cut-off Kaguya's arm, which is understandable to some degree, so I thought I should make this thread to help clarifying a bit. But first, since I know some people will undeniably jump to conclusions :
By no means am I trying to downplay Naruto's speed, or strip him of one of his feats. I always give credit where it's due and this regardless of which character or even series is being discussed, Naruto is not an exception. So while reading please keep in mind that the only purpose of this thread is correcting a flawed misinterpretation that has, unfortunately, been around for too long doing the series more harm than good, both debates wise and consistency wise.
With that out of the way, we can start.
The misconception : Naruto is faster than Kaguya and can just speed blitz her
Origin :
Back in chapter 687 we saw a pissed off Naruto seemingly blitzing Kaguya and cutting her arm off.
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Flawed interpretation :
Naruto is fast enough to rush all the way towards Kaguya and cut her arm off faster than she could react. He is simply too fast for her and could have solo'd her if not for the sealing requirement.
Explanation & Counter Argument:
As I previously said, it's rather easy for people to misinterpret what happened in this instance, especially since Kaguya was never very liked (being polite here) or respected as a villain and people would rather hype the protagonist than justify the villains low-end feat. However, there is some context behind this feat that needs to be taken into account to get an objective view of what happened.
1) Kaguya slowed down due to being low on chakra :
I think that this is an obvious fact to anyone who read the fight. During the battle Kaguya was seen repetitively using her S-T jutsu Amenominaka, which is a justu that consumes massive amounts of chakra as stated by Black Zetsu.
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This was later confirmed by both Obito and Sasuke on two separate occasions :
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And as explained by BZ, Kaguya's speed and strength are proportional to how much chakra she has left :
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So one can safely say that Naruto would not be able to replicate the feat against a standard Kaguya, which seems obvious considering how he needed to use distractions to tag her previously.
2) Naruto did not reach Kaguya through sheer speed, he was teleported by Sasuke.
I know that some people must be like 'lol what ?' after reading this, but judging by the manga this is indeed what happened. What makes this obvious is the fact that Kishimoto has consistently been shown to use two distinct SFXs for speed/Shunshin jutsus and Space-time Ninjutsu.
For instance here are a few examples of people using Shunshin/speed, notice the SFX used.
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And here are instances of people using S-T ninjutsu, notice that a different SFX is used.
Hiraishin :
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Amenominaka :
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Amenotejikira :
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Now comparing to the SFX shown when Naruto 'blitzed' Kaguya :
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That SFX is very clearly the one used for Space-time Ninjutsu, so unless Naruto has some unknown S-T jutsu which he can only use once in his life, I think that it's more logical to assume that Sasuke who was next to him and happens to be a S-T ninjutsu user teleported him.
Certainly, there have been instances of missing SFXs before, so before the argument shows up let me just say that the lack of S-T SFX in these instance, like Madara getting stabbed by the teleported sword for example, is due to a more important, louder or simply more recent SFX taking it's place, and that this does not in any way affect the solidity of the argument, as it's quite normal for a 'getting stabbed' SFX to be present in a scene where someone got stabbed even in the S-T SFX is not present, but one can't say that it's normal for a space-time teleportation SFX to be found where (supposedly) no S-T took place.
Once again, I'd like to point out that this thread isn't meant to downplay Naruto in any way and I certainly hope that people will not derail it into some Naruto vs Sasuke speed debate because that has nothing to do with what I'm discussing.
You got the -rep for the immature insults. No need to act so butthurt over it.
I have nothing to discuss with a rude 12 year old kid trying to project his own insecurities on other people. So you should better keep your pathetic provocations for yourself, keyboard warrior.
You got the -rep for the immature insults. No need to act so butthurt over it.
I have nothing to discuss with a rude 12 year old kid trying to project his own insecurities on other people. So you should better keep your pathetic provocations for yourself, keyboard warrior.
You got the -rep for the immature insults. No need to act so butthurt over it.
I have nothing to discuss with a rude 12 year old kid trying to project his own insecurities on other people. So you should better keep your pathetic provocations for yourself, keyboard warrior.
Kaguya would've obviously spanked Nardo had he tried to blitz a full powered Kaguya. Only Fanboys would actually believe half of Hagromo's chakra is enough to blitz the likes of Kaguya.
Kaguya would've obviously spanked Nardo had he tried to blitz a full powered Kaguya. Only Fanboys would actually believe half of Hagromo's chakra is enough to blitz the likes of Kaguya.
this is good thread to point out when talking about you devils advocating too much. youre doing it again and siding with a silly failed attempt to disprove Naruto blitzd someone.
(I also give zero ****s to read your post as you selected mine, passively bypassing the
