[Discussion] do people honestly think zoro is stronger than law ?
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Vandenre1ch
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The wank and assumption in this post is real.....to actually think Zoro used less than half his strength....
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If you it like that then
Luffy = Roger
Law = Whitebeard
Kidd = Shiki
Zoro = Rayleigh, because of him roger's second in command and zoro luffy's
I don't see any kind of wank in his post. Zoro or any fighter for that matter would never bother using most of their strength against someone far weaker than themselves. Pica didn't even scratch Zoro so I don't see why Zoro needed to use most of his strength against him. How can anyone even think that someone that can't even put a scratch on his opponent can push him to high dif? Zoro is not Law to have the luxury of being able to easily one shot his opponent. And no, Law is definitely not on a whole new level than Zoro.
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You say Zoro didn't get scratched when he had many scratches on him.....Did I ever say or imply Pica pushed Zoro high diff? No I did not. I highly doubt Zoro is on the same level as Law and Gear2+3 Luffy based on feats and portrayal through almost the whole series. G2+3 Luffy was no match for Doffy and couldn't touch him. It took Law and Luffy to get a hit on him. No way Zoro can do that by himself and with someone....
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Because difficulty isn't just the damage you took. It took Zoro a long time to finally put Pica down because Pica's powers made him hard to land a strike on. Pica's golem and his ability to travel through the earth made it high diff, especially when you take into consideration Zoro was able to cut him apart because of King Riku's help.
It was mid diff. He didn't receive a single scratch(yes he wasn't, he said it himself to Usopp) and was never pressured. The reason he required the King's help was in order to reach Pica before he killed other people, not himself. The Sanji and Luffy vs Satori was a similar type of battle but a harder than the Pica fight
Well I can clearly see the word high dif in your post when in reality the fight is hardly mid dif that to because of mind games played by Pica.
I would like you to show me those scares on Zoro. I'd suggest you to not to mistook the dust on Zoro body for the wounds received from Pica. Through out the whole series Zoro is portrayed to be one step below Luffy where as G3/G2 are like 3-4 steps below G4 so technically current Zoro should be above G2 or G3.
How can you be so sure about Zoro not being able to do that? Do you have any argument to back it up? Law is superior to Zoro in terms of brains,speed because of teleportation and may be cutting ability just has just as many if not more advantages against Law so I don't see why he's a level above Zoro.
Difficulty of a battle depends on how much of a challenge you can provide. Prolonging a battle by running a way from your opponent is by no means same as a giving a challenge to your opponent. If you fight someone head on yet to the battle lasts much longer then it'd be considered as difficulty. Running away from opponent is something even someone with no battle capacity can do so no it shouldn't be considered as a major factor. And it's not like I have discarded it while while deciding the level of difficulty of their battle. I have clearly said that the battle is mid dif mainly because of the tricks played by Pica. If you think just running away can make a fight high dif then that's your problem.
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Law was shown reacting to Doflamingo and managed to land a clean blow on Doflamingo when he was heavily injured himself. Not once was Law healthy against Doflamingo. Law was keeping up with Smoker no problem, Law will have zero issues keeping up with Zoro, I don't see Zoro pushing Law past mid diff maybe mid-high since I highly doubt Zoro has strong enough Haki to tank Law's slash. Zoro eventually will get hit and that will most likely be game, unless there are people here who honestly believe Law won't be landing a clean blow atleast once in this fight. Law's DF is outside the realm of durability so durability and endurance isn't gonna help Zoro much in this fight, meanwhile Law has shown to have insane endurance this arc, he'll be tanking some of Zoro's attacks if need be but I think he'll be blocking parrying and dodging most of them.
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Its Med High Diff not Med TO High diff and I never mentioned scars...geez....I said scratches.
So Zoro was stronger than Luffy until he revealed G4......yep I'm done here.....
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Yes it is a challenge. It might not be impressive the way giving a challenge through combat is, but its still a challenge whether we want it to be or not.
Doflamingo hardly even tried against Law. He was just playing around during entire battle with Law. He didn't even try as much as he did against G2 Luffy yet Law was getting completely outclassed. And I wonder how Law landing just single blow on Mingo would mean that he can do just fine against Zoro. That one hit landed by Law on Mingo was a hit laded thanks to law's mind games which are not going to help him with Zoro. Mingo was distracted to a level where someone like Trebol needed to remind him about being careful.
It's not like every attack of Law can simply cut through anything. Otherwise Smoker would never have managed to block his attacks and same with Joker. Law's greatest weakness is that his raw skills aren't that great in which case Zoro greatly outclasses Law. His swordsmanship is much better so Law ain't landing clean hits that easily. Zoro's striking speed is much faster than Law's which was proved against Pica. Zoro was shown to have great deal of reflexes throughout the series which can be clearly seen in battles such as Kuma VS Zoro. Sure it is hard to win a battle against Law for the most of OP but that won't make him stronger than anyone that loses against him. I can actually see him winning a one on one battle with Luffy but still he's much weaker than him. Zoro may or may not win against Law but he's definitely not a level below Law from what we have seen.
I didn't said that it isn't, otherwise I'd never take it into the equation while talking about the difficulty. My point is that it can't be seen as a major factor as everything he did is nothing but running away from Zoro.
Not by feats but by portrayal. The one who bought portrayal into this argument was you not me. I merely explained at what level Zoro would be in according to your own logic so it's not my fault. Throughout the entire series there wasn't a single instant in which Luffy can beat Zoro below high dif(Lowest end of high dif at worst) so Zoro should be strong enough to fight G4 head on to be able to pull such a level of difficulty which means that he should be stronger than G2/G3 Luffy. I have never once said that Zoro by feats is stronger. And if you think g2/G3 is still a level above Zoro then I have nothing to tell you here.
Besides why is it so hard to believe that Zoro is stronger than G3/g2?
It's not like every attack of Law can simply cut through anything. Otherwise Smoker would never have managed to block his attacks and same with Joker. Law's greatest weakness is that his raw skills aren't that great in which case Zoro greatly outclasses Law. His swordsmanship is much better so Law ain't landing clean hits that easily. Zoro's striking speed is much faster than Law's which was proved against Pica. Zoro was shown to have great deal of reflexes throughout the series which can be clearly seen in battles such as Kuma VS Zoro. Sure it is hard to win a battle against Law for the most of OP but that won't make him stronger than anyone that loses against him. I can actually see him winning a one on one battle with Luffy but still he's much weaker than him. Zoro may or may not win against Law but he's definitely not a level below Law from what we have seen.
I didn't said that it isn't, otherwise I'd never take it into the equation while talking about the difficulty. My point is that it can't be seen as a major factor as everything he did is nothing but running away from Zoro.
Not by feats but by portrayal. The one who bought portrayal into this argument was you not me. I merely explained at what level Zoro would be in according to your own logic so it's not my fault. Throughout the entire series there wasn't a single instant in which Luffy can beat Zoro below high dif(Lowest end of high dif at worst) so Zoro should be strong enough to fight G4 head on to be able to pull such a level of difficulty which means that he should be stronger than G2/G3 Luffy. I have never once said that Zoro by feats is stronger. And if you think g2/G3 is still a level above Zoro then I have nothing to tell you here.
Besides why is it so hard to believe that Zoro is stronger than G3/g2?
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But he never took smokers pipe. He most likely cant take something someone is holding. Without taking there body too.
It can go either way honestly. He could easily stop all his df slashes but law df can do alot more than just increase slash range. Even smoker who just new the basic of room could still fight law although he wasnt trying his hardest.
Plot convenience. There's nothing stopping Law from taking away Zoro's sword. He was able to away the den-den mushi of the G5 members, so I don't see how he can't take away Zoro's swords. Also, he can take away something even if his opponent is holding it, didn't he take away his heart from Vergo?
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Which is how he teleported his heart while Vergo was holding it, right?
Law didn't teleport people's weapons not because he couldn't, but for the same reason Kizaru shot Ace's key instead of Luffy's face, or why Kizaru kicked Luffy away from the platform instead of Akainu melting him away, or why Rayleigh cut Kizaru's light path instead of impaling him.
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Law wins heck he can still win vs Luffy but he is weaker than Luffy but he is just as capable coz of some other factors outside of brute strength and direct traditional battle styles.
As far as levels they arent that too far apart I will say.
As far as levels they arent that too far apart I will say.
Hard to tell, because we have yet to see Zoro go all out.
But saying that Law hitting Doflamingo is proof he is better than Zoro is nonsense, he only got the hit because Doflamingo was distracted and dropped his guard. On top of that, Doflamingo never once took Law seriously as a opponent, he treated him as if he was a child and smacked him around most of the arc.
But saying that Law hitting Doflamingo is proof he is better than Zoro is nonsense, he only got the hit because Doflamingo was distracted and dropped his guard. On top of that, Doflamingo never once took Law seriously as a opponent, he treated him as if he was a child and smacked him around most of the arc.