[Discussion] do people honestly think zoro is stronger than law ?

[ToshiZO]

Hard to tell, because we have yet to see Zoro go all out.

But saying that Law hitting Doflamingo is proof he is better than Zoro is nonsense, he only got the hit because Doflamingo was distracted and dropped his guard. On top of that, Doflamingo never once took Law seriously as a opponent, he treated him as if he was a child and smacked him around most of the arc.

Doflamingo treated Law and Luffy the same way, the very fact that Doflamingo had to be worried about dropping his guard around Law meant he proceeded with Caution when he fought him, not to mention Law had already taken a beating from Fujitora and Doflamingo together before he even fought Doflamingo. In the state he was in he shouldn't have even been fighting let alone hurting Doflamingo.

Luffy on the other hand didn't manage to injure Doflamingo even once alone in G2 or G3 prior to Doflamingo taking Gamma Knife. Pre G4 Luffy was inferior to a battered up Law.

 

[saw2097]

Doflamingo treated Law and Luffy the same way, the very fact that Doflamingo had to be worried about dropping his guard around Law meant he proceeded with Caution when he fought him, not to mention Law had already taken a beating from Fujitora and Doflamingo together before he even fought Doflamingo. In the state he was in he shouldn't have even been fighting let alone hurting Doflamingo.

Luffy on the other hand didn't manage to injure Doflamingo even once alone in G2 or G3 prior to Doflamingo taking Gamma Knife. Pre G4 Luffy was inferior to a battered up Law.

Once again, pure nonsense.

Law only hit Doflamingo by pure luck and a brief opening, using that as proof that Law is stronger than anyone is simply desperation.

Anyone could have hit Doflamingo under those circumstances.

 

[ToshiZO]

Once again, pure nonsense.

Law only hit Doflamingo by pure luck and a brief opening, using that as proof that Law is stronger than anyone is simply desperation.

Anyone could have hit Doflamingo under those circumstances.

Lol yea clearly you don't understand how feats work. Not gonna waste time here. I also sense a lot of bias in this post.

 

[Bogard]

Doflamingo never rely went all out on Law because he always had hope to receive immortality from him. Proof of this is despite the multiple times he whopped his ass he spared him and the level of atta ks he was ousing against Luffy were on a complete different lvl. He didn''ven use awakening against Law

EDIT: Damn my phone wrote nonsense

 

[ToshiZO]

Doflamingo never rely went all out on Law because he always had hope to receive immortality from him.Proc of this is that despite the multipld times he whopped his ass he spared him and the level of atta ks he was using against Luffy were on a complete different lvl. He didn''ven use awakening against Law

No they weren't, the only time he started using higher attacks was when he was actually in a position to lose which was after Gamma Knife, awakening was used after he survived a G4 onslaught, prior to this Luffy was getting overwhelmed by the most basic punches and kicks.

 

[saw2097]

Doflamingo never rely went all out on Law because he always had hope to receive immortality from him.Proc of this is that despite the multipld times he whopped his ass he spared him and the level of atta ks he was using against Luffy were on a complete different lvl. He didn''ven use awakening against Law

Honestly I don't get why people would even use that fight as proof Law is stronger than anyone, Doflamingo toyed with Law and spared him because he needed him alive.

Really a better argument would be to compare the Pica and Vergo fights, but even that is a toss since its hard to tell where they stand when they have the same rank.

 

[loj]

Law wins this one.

 

[BSK]

Plot convenience. There's nothing stopping Law from taking away Zoro's sword. He was able to away the den-den mushi of the G5 members, so I don't see how he can't take away Zoro's swords. Also, he can take away something even if his opponent is holding it, didn't he take away his heart from Vergo?

None of g5 were holding there den den mushi they were all in there pockets.

Which is how he teleported his heart while Vergo was holding it, right?

Law didn't teleport people's weapons not because he couldn't, but for the same reason Kizaru shot Ace's key instead of Luffy's face, or why Kizaru kicked Luffy away from the platform instead of Akainu melting him away, or why Rayleigh cut Kizaru's light path instead of impaling him.

But is heart was already under the influence of his df. Nothing suggest he can take a weapon that someone is holding while the person also doesn't move with it.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

I think they are on the same level.

 

[Hexuze]

None of g5 were holding there den den mushi they were all in there pockets.
But is heart was already under the influence of his df. Nothing suggest he can take a weapon that someone is holding while the person also doesn't move with it.

Yeah, I had a feeling and I was too lazy to check. My point about Vergo still stands. Where was it ever established that he can't take a weapon that someone is holding? Smoker did say Law has control over everything in his room.

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As of now, it's everything and Oda placed no restrictions on what he can or cannot take/switch.

 

[Love Cook]

Nothing suggest he can take a weapon that someone is holding while the person also doesn't move with it.

Everything suggests that he can.

He switched bullets with snowflakes, how hard would a sword be ?

 

[BSK]

Yeah, I had a feeling and I was too lazy to check. My point about Vergo still stands. Where was it ever established that he can't take a weapon that someone is holding? Smoker did say Law has control over everything in his room.

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As of now, it's everything and Oda placed no restrictions on what he can or cannot take/switch.

There are limits to his power and smoker statement was false or he would also be able to freely control humans at his will like he did with that ship. The only time he controlled another human was after he cut them or by using shambles. If he really ahd full control he should just be able to lift someone up and lunge them into his sword or in keep someone from moving. Oda never placed restrictions but that doesn't mean its not there. Even if he could take someones weapons which I doubt is likely it wouldn't be used in a real fight and the heart was not being griped when law took it back+it was already under the influence of is df. If someone is griping their sword I doubt it would be taken without the user. Law had many times he could of done this but he never did. why? Its either because he cant without bringing the user or his df to op and plot happens..

 

[straightup]

So in that case zoro should be stronger than luffy too. Then zoro should become the captain of the ship.

If zoro got a df then ya he would be stronger than luffy. He was stronger than luffy when they first met and he has never shown an instance where he appeared to be weaker than luffy. Just think how op zoro would have been if he got the flame flame fruit. I can see it already,?3 sword fire style

 

[Hexuze]

There are limits to his power and smoker statement was false or he would also be able to freely control humans at his will like he did with that ship. The only time he controlled another human was after he cut them or by using shambles. If he really ahd full control he should just be able to lift someone up and lunge them into his sword or in keep someone from moving. Oda never placed restrictions but that doesn't mean its not there. Even if he could take someones weapons which I doubt is likely it wouldn't be used in a real fight and the heart was not being griped when law took it back+it was already under the influence of is df. If someone is griping their sword I doubt it would be taken without the user. Law had many times he could of done this but he never did. why? Its either because he cant without bringing the user or his df to op and plot happens..

That would contradict Smoker's statement then. He has control over everything in his own room, that includes weapons, regardless if they're wielding it or not. Don't you think Oda would of clarified a restriction this important already? Law had many times to do it, just like Doflamingo had many times to kill Law/Luffy easily but it's for plot convenience that he didn't. It would be boring if Law just took away someone's weapon and attacked them with a gamma knife.

 

[BSK]

That would contradict Smoker's statement then. He has control over everything in his own room, that includes weapons, regardless if they're wielding it or not. Don't you think Oda would of clarified a restriction this important already? Law had many times to do it, just like Doflamingo had many times to kill Law/Luffy easily but it's for plot convenience that he didn't. It would be boring if Law just took away someone's weapon and attacked them with a gamma knife.

So law should never loses to anyone is what you are saying? If he has control over everything he should also have complete control over the persons body inside his room.

 

[Hexuze]

So law should never loses to anyone is what you are saying? If he has control over everything he should also have complete control over the persons body inside his room.

Nope, if that was the case then I would left my answer as Law wins neg diff. We've seen people counter Law's room before. Not all OP fighters are swordsmen either. Who knows, haki may very well counter it but that's outside of the discussion since you're denying that Law can't take other peoples weapons.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

That would contradict Smoker's statement then. He has control over everything in his own room, that includes weapons, regardless if they're wielding it or not. Don't you think Oda would of clarified a restriction this important already? Law had many times to do it, just like Doflamingo had many times to kill Law/Luffy easily but it's for plot convenience that he didn't. It would be boring if Law just took away someone's weapon and attacked them with a gamma knife.

Smoker also said that if your haki isn't strong enough, Law can operate on you all he wants. He was most likely referring to CoA and it makes a lot of sense. The reason Smoker didn't get cut up is because he is a logia and can just reattach himself. That's why Law used raido knife on logia Trebol to keep him from reattaching.

Law was able to cut Vergo but his haki wasn't strong enough(at least compared to Law) and its also the reason why Law never tried any room cuts on Doffy but he was still able to teleport him.

Anyways, I think Law is on another level to Zoro. Law can stop Zoro's clashes since he was able to stop Doffy's string slashes and overheat with his sword. Nothing stopping Law from taking Zoro's swords, teleporting each other or removing Zoro's heart

 

[bajram]

Both of them are around the same ballpark, actually due to more feats shown Law should currently have the upper hand in this fight until more is shown, so I'd say Law wins somewhere around extreme diff.

 

[BSK]

Nope, if that was the case then I would left my answer as Law wins neg diff. We've seen people counter Law's room before. Not all OP fighters are swordsmen either. Who knows, haki may very well counter it but that's outside of the discussion since you're denying that Law can't take other peoples weapons.

If he cant do that he doesn't have full control over every thing in his room then. So his df abilities has limits to what it can control and yes haki may also factor in it. My stance still remains the same until proven otherwise, taking some weapons they are griping will also bring the user. I don't expect you to agree but we will have to wait and see if its possible or not.

 

[Hexuze]

If he cant do that he doesn't have full control over every thing in his room then. So his df abilities has limits to what it can control and yes haki may also factor in it. My stance still remains the same until proven otherwise, taking some weapons they are griping will also bring the user. I don't expect you to agree but we will have to wait and see if its possible or not.

No, it doesn't have limits. It's just that haki can be used to counter it probably, which is an assumption. I didn't expect you to agree either and your argument just lies on denying on what smoker said.