[Discussion] do people honestly think zoro is stronger than law ?

[BSK]

No, it doesn't have limits. It's just that haki can be used to counter it probably, which is an assumption. I didn't expect you to agree either and your argument just lies on denying on what smoker said.

No it lies of the fact that he never done these things before and people assumen he can because hehe can supposedly has complete control in his room. You say it doesn't have limits meaning he can control and person in his room at will. Nothing is stoping him from levitating them and thrusting them into his sword. You even said he can't neg everyone but he really could if he had complete control."Nope, if that was the case then I would left my answer as Law wins neg diff. We've seen people counter Law's room before. You saying he couldn't is mean you're saying you think his df abilities has limits. What he can control in room clearly has limits if it didnt he could literally neg diff anyone inside.

 

[Punk Hazard]

None of g5 were holding there den den mushi they were all in there pockets.
But is heart was already under the influence of his df. Nothing suggest he can take a weapon that someone is holding while the person also doesn't move with it.

You just made up that "under his influence" excuse. Nothing indicates Law's powers work that way.

Law was able to throw up Room that both Trebol and Doffy couldn't notice. He could throw up a Room Zoro wouldn't immediately notice and teleport his swords while they're on his waist. Teleporting his heart shows he can teleport things people are holding.

 

[loj]

Zoro can't take on Law.Law is not just a swordman he even has a powerful fruit too.

Law takes this.

 

[Hexuze]

No it lies of the fact that he never done these things before and people assumen he can because hehe can supposedly has complete control in his room.

And are they at fault for assuming such things? Nope. Smoker told us that he can control everything within his room. You're just denying that manga fact solely because he never showed that he can steal a weapon/item from someone else.

You say it doesn't have limits meaning he can control and person in his room at will. Nothing is stoping him from levitating them and thrusting them into his sword. You even said he can't neg everyone but he really could if he had complete control."Nope, if that was the case then I would left my answer as Law wins neg diff. We've seen people counter Law's room before. You saying he couldn't is mean you're saying you think his df abilities has limits. What he can control in room clearly has limits if it didnt he could literally neg diff anyone inside.

The amount of times he can use his room does have limits, but controlling things within his room doesn't until proven otherwise. We've seen him move Doflamingo's body. I said right after that, people can counter Law's room, assuming they can good speed. We've seen Vergo attack Law the second Law got his heart back. The same thing would of happened if he tried to take away his bamboo stick. Just because Law can control everything in his room doesn't make him unstoppable lmao. Law's cutting ability surely doesn't exceed the haki of admirals and other top tiers so he would get taken out pretty quickly.

 

[BSK]

And are they at fault for assuming such things? Nope. Smoker told us that he can control everything within his room. You're just denying that manga fact solely because he never showed that he can steal a weapon/item from someone else.



The amount of times he can use his room does have limits, but controlling things within his room doesn't until proven otherwise. We've seen him move Doflamingo's body. I said right after that, people can counter Law's room, assuming they can good speed. We've seen Vergo attack Law the second Law got his heart back. The same thing would of happened if he tried to take away his bamboo stick. Just because Law can control everything in his room doesn't make him unstoppable lmao. Law's cutting ability surely doesn't exceed the haki of admirals and other top tiers so he would get taken out pretty quickly.

I am questioning smokers credibility with his statement since he never fought law and has never seen his abilities in person because if he had complete control he would also be able to neg diff anyone. He could literally just stop someone from moving if there inside his room

He moved doffy by switching his place with another object. The only time law has been shown to levitates a persons body is after he cut them. Since it is said has complete control and you believe this, do you think law can levitate anyone like he did with that ship and lunge their head into his gamma knife?

 

[KesOnFire]

Zoro would destroy Law honestly. :|

 

[Hexuze]

I am questioning smokers credibility with his statement since he never fought law and has never seen his abilities in person because if he had complete control he would also be able to neg diff anyone. He could literally just stop someone from moving if there inside his room

He moved doffy by switching his place with another object. The only time law has been shown to levitates a persons body is after he cut them. Since it is said has complete control and you believe this, do you think law can levitate anyone like he did with that ship and lunge their head into his gamma knife?

So, you're saying Oda is just lying to us now? Lol. It's not much a stretch to assume that Smoker has some intel on the Shichibukai members since they are allied with WG. Where did he say that Law can control anyone? Last time, I checked he said everything, not everyone. For now, he can just cut people in his room and swap their places around. His powers isn't like doflamingo's where he can control people. If your CoA exceeds his cutting ability then he can't cut you in half, it's as simple as that.

 

[BSK]

So, you're saying Oda is just lying to us now? Lol. It's not much a stretch to assume that Smoker has some intel on the Shichibukai members since they are allied with WG. Where did he say that Law can control anyone? Last time, I checked he said everything, not everyone. For now, he can just cut people in his room and swap their places around. His powers isn't like doflamingo's where he can control people. If your CoA exceeds his cutting ability then he can't cut you in half, it's as simple as that.

Is that a yes or no? It is said he can control everything in his room, that means all things. Do you think law can levitate anyone like he did with that ship and lunge their head into his gamma knife?

 

[Kakashobito]

Is that a yes or no? It is said he can control everything in his room, that means all things. Do you think law can levitate anyone like he did with that ship and lunge their head into his gamma knife?

lol stop discussing with them, anyone with common sense knows that Law cant do that. Even IF he would be able to do that, he says someone with greater Haki cant be defeated by that. So if you are talking about Manga facts, how do they know that Law´s haki is superior to Zoro´s? Also he also cut Vergo in his room, wasnt Vergos haki stronger? See thats a contradiction

 

[Love Cook]

lol stop discussing with them, anyone with common sense knows that Law cant do that. Even IF he would be able to do that, he says someone with greater Haki cant be defeated by that. So if you are talking about Manga facts, how do they know that Law´s haki is superior to Zoro´s? Also he also cut Vergo in his room, wasnt Vergos haki stronger? See thats a contradiction

The fu*k are you talking about, the whole point about that last slash was to show off how much the people in the worst generation have grown while the established powers have been doing nothing. Luffy and Law were setting things in motion.

Law used to be beaten by Vergo but now he surpassed him, Vergo admitted that Law couldn't slash him before but that final cut showed how things have shifted.

And you're trying to talk manga facts ? You don't even know what you've been reading. So don't even start with 'common sense' because you're not making any sense at all.

No contradictions here, it's just you not paying attention.

 

[A v i]

Joker was never cautious against Law, & Law only managed to land a hit when Joker completely dropped his guard so I don't know why people are acting as if Law actually fought on par with Joker.

Comparing Luffy with weakened Law is nothing but a Joke. G2/G4 Luffy never fought healthy Joker long enough to decide how he'd fare against him compared to Law. At the beginning he was being careless like he always does. Luffy fodderized Black knight while avoiding Bellamy as soon as he got serious. The same black knight was giving hard time to weakened Law and some people think that weakened Law is better than Luffy. :dunno:

 

[TheHokage]

how do you know vergos haki is stronger than picas as far as ive seen there was no indication of this

Well for one Vergo has legitimate feats with Haki while Pica does not. FBH is not a measure of strength but control of Haki.

Anyone in their right mind knows Law can defeat Zoro.

 

[A v i]

Well for one Vergo has legitimate feats with Haki while Pica does not. FBH is not a measure of strength but control of Haki.

Anyone in their right mind knows Law can defeat Zoro.

Pica lacks feats it means that the question remains unanswered. I don't understand how Pica not having feats means that his haki is inferior to Vergo's. Yes, it is possible but the probability of contrary to what you said being true is about equal. Pica's haki was never proved to be inferior to Vergo's by anyone. It's just an opinion not a fact. If you're going to assume that Vergo is a better haki user just because Pica is a fruit user then we all should put Luffy's haki below Sanji's and Zoro's haki as they're not fruit users unlike Luffy. We don't have anything to directly or indirectly compare their haki level so Vergo's haki being superior to Pica's. Is nothing more than an assumption made from the fact that Vergo was shown to be haki specialist. Of course it is an educated opinion but it is far from being a fact.

 

[juzumaki]

Well for one Vergo has legitimate feats with Haki while Pica does not. FBH is not a measure of strength but control of Haki.

Anyone in their right mind knows Law can defeat Zoro.

So basically nothing suggest this... Lack of feats does not mean he greater

 

[TheHokage]

Pica lacks feats it means that the question remains unanswered. I don't understand how Pica not having feats means that his haki is inferior to Vergo's.

Because feats = fact while no feats = opinion.

fact>opinion

Pica having no haki feats certainly implies his is weaker than Vergo's.

Yes, it is possible but the probability of contrary to what you said being true is about equal. Pica's haki was never proved to be inferior to Vergo's by anyone.

Nor was it proven to be equal. Fact is going back to my comment above no feats at all in haki all we can say for certain about Pica's Haki is that it is weaker than Zoro's that's it...nothing else if his haki was so good he'd have used it more instead of relying on his DF's defensive capabilities.

It's just an opinion not a fact.

It's an opinion based on facts while you're offering facts based on an opinion.


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f you're going to assume that Vergo is a better haki user just because Pica is a fruit user then we all should put Luffy's haki below Sanji's and Zoro's haki as they're not fruit users unlike Luffy.

No again...Luffy has feats in haki which are superior to Zoro and Sanji that's why we put him ahead of them.

We don't have anything to directly or indirectly compare their haki level so Vergo's haki being superior to Pica's. Is nothing more than an assumption made from the fact that Vergo was shown to be haki specialist. Of course it is an educated opinion but it is far from being a fact.

None of the other members of the Doflamingo family were implied to be haki specialists. An educated opinion is far greater than one which is not.

Portrayal in Haki
Vergo>Pica

Feats in Haki
Vergo>Pica.

...It's like adding 2 and 2 together you know.

So basically nothing suggest this... Lack of feats does not mean he greater

Yeah it kind of does. When you're comparing two characters of having the same or near equal capabilities they have to relatively comparable feats in order to so otherwise you're just throwing out an opinion which has no basis at all.

 

[Bogard]

To be fair

- Vergo's haki is featless too since his only 'haki feat' is to be superior to Smoker's featless haki
- Burgess' haki is featless besides being inferior to Sabo's featless haki
- Sabo's haki is featless besides being superior to Burgess' featless haki
- Fujitora's haki is featless too

And so on and so on...

 

[A v i]

Because feats = fact while no feats = opinion.

fact>opinion

Pica having no haki feats certainly implies his is weaker than Vergo's.

He has not feats it means that the level of his haki can't be determined not that it is automatically weaker. I don't get the logic behind your reasoning at all. For all we know his haki is weaker than Zoro as it was overpowered by him.

Nor was it proven to be equal. Fact is going back to my comment above no feats at all in haki all we can say for certain about Pica's Haki is that it is weaker than Zoro's that's it...nothing else if his haki was so good he'd have used it more instead of relying on his DF's defensive capabilities.

No one said that it was proven to be equal. It doesn't matter if haki isn't his expertise. It does not imply that his haki is weaker than someone else. It simply means that he has batter mastery over fruit than haki. Besides mostly using DF doesn't mean that his best form of offence is DF. I am pretty sure about Pica being more confidant about his haki than his fruit which means that his mastery over his haki is better than that of his fruit.

It's an opinion based on facts while you're offering facts based on an opinion.

I wasn't offering anything if you actually try to understand my post. And no it wasn't based on facts, the opinion was built on assumptions.

No again...Luffy has feats in haki which are superior to Zoro and Sanji that's why we put him ahead of them.

Yup,it proves that people with DF can have better haki than people without fruits which makes your whole Pica's haki should be weaker than Vergo's haki because he relies mostly on his fruit argument useless.

None of the other members of the Doflamingo family were implied to be haki specialists. An educated opinion is far greater than one which is not.

Portrayal in Haki
Vergo>Pica

Feats in Haki
Vergo>Pica.

...It's like adding 2 and 2 together you know.

What are these so called feats of Vergo again? Breaking through Smokers haki? What makes Smokers haki so great to think that Vergo's haki is certainly stronger than Pica's? About portrayal Pica hyped his haki to be able tank mountain level attacks yet he was trashed by Zoro just like how Vergo ended up against Law so I don't see any difference here. I know that an educated opinion is better which is why I stick with the fact that the question remains unanswered as that's what everything we have seen so far suggests.

Yeah it kind of does. When you're comparing two characters of having the same or near equal capabilities they have to relatively comparable feats in order to so otherwise you're just throwing out an opinion which has no basis at all.

Yup, that's why I said that the question remains unanswered. Pica's haki level can't be determined from what we have seen which means that his haki can be either weaker or stronger not just weaker.
About portrayal Vergo was introduced as a main arc villian where as Pica was introduced along with top tiers which is why he can't get as much attention as Vergo did. Once again it was an educated opinion but far from being a fact.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

people also believed that Luffy was gonna run through Doffy....or atleast win 1v1 since he was stronger.....

 

[TheHokage]

To be fair

- Vergo's haki is featless too since his only 'haki feat' is to be superior to Smoker's featless haki
- Burgess' haki is featless besides being inferior to Sabo's featless haki
- Sabo's haki is featless besides being superior to Burgess' featless haki
- Fujitora's haki is featless too

And so on and so on...

The difference is Smoker's haki was enough to parry against Law not to mention knock Vergo off his feat which as we seen Sanji's kicks were unable to.

He has not feats it means that the level of his haki can't be determined not that it is automatically weaker. I don't get the logic behind your reasoning at all. For all we know his haki is weaker than Zoro as it was overpowered by him.

My logic is you can't assume someone's haki is of a similar level of someone else unless they have similar feats to do so. We do know Pica's haki is weaker than Zoro's it's a fact however the argument isn't surrounding Zoro it's Vergo. Fact is Pica has shown no Haki feats to compare his haki level with Vergo's. Pica's haki is about as good as Boo's they're both featless.

No one said that it was proven to be equal. It doesn't matter if haki isn't his expertise. It does not imply that his haki is weaker than someone else. It simply means that he has batter mastery over fruit than haki. Besides mostly using DF doesn't mean that his best form of offence is DF. I am pretty sure about Pica being more confidant about his haki than his fruit which means that his mastery over his haki is better than that of his fruit.

Not really using Haki as a last resort does not show confidence in his haki. Fighting for over 1 hour using a devil fruit is confidence. You're stretching your arguments to make Pica look stronger in haki when in fact your argument is based on the logic = We didn't see his haki enough it 'could' be stronger. The problem is you're actually trying to pass it off as a legitimate base for your argument.

I wasn't offering anything if you actually try to understand my post. And no it wasn't based on facts, the opinion was built on assumptions.

I do understand your post. Fact is Pica hasn't shown feats in haki to show he's as good as 'you' think he is.

Yup,it proves that people with DF can have better haki than people without fruits which makes your whole Pica's haki should be weaker than Vergo's haki because he relies mostly on his fruit argument useless.

I never argued it didn't. I never said Pica's haki is weaker because he relies on a DF however it's a contributing factor to points towards what I said. Also using Luffy and Pica is a bad example Luffy's fighting style relies on haki while Pica's does not.

What are these so called feats of Vergo again? Breaking through Smokers haki? What makes Smokers haki so great to think that Vergo's haki is certainly stronger than Pica's?

Smoker's haki was good enough to battle Law not to mention knock Vergo around who we seen was able to tank Law's and Sanji's attacks.

Vergo's Haki feats -
- Knocking Law out with one hit.
- Blocking a haki users sword with his haki
- Snapping Smoker's Haki Jitte with a Haki Bamboo stick

Pica's Haki feats -
-...None.

About portrayal Pica hyped his haki to be able tank mountain level attacks yet he was trashed by Zoro just like how Vergo ended up against Law so I don't see any difference here.

Pica 'hyped' his own abilities how many bad guys have done that...no one else hyped his haki.

Now let's look at Vergo...Caesar and Doflamingo hyped Vergo's haki.

Difference is Law pulled his feat off against a haki user who was acknowledged for his haki capabilities by other people while Zoro pulled off his feat against someone who hyped his own haki...

know that an educated opinion is better which is why I stick with the fact that the question remains unanswered as that's what everything we have seen so far suggests.

A fact is something we have seen and can be proven a question that remains unanswered is open to speculation however at the end of the day without any facts to back it up it will ultimately remain an opinion.

Yup, that's why I said that the question remains unanswered. Pica's haki level can't be determined from what we have seen which means that his haki can be either weaker or stronger not just weaker.
About portrayal Vergo was introduced as a main arc villian where as Pica was introduced along with top tiers which is why he can't get as much attention as Vergo did. Once again it was an educated opinion but far from being a fact.

Yeah we can, from what we seen Pica's haki hasn't proven to be better than Vergo's or even close. So...that makes no sense the fact that Vergo was highlighted as a main villain in an arc and Pica wasn't suggests Vergo's superiority if anything.